Mark_w

Awaits the stream of hilarious, posts.

Amazing.

They all have their own opinions? Crazy.

You do know you're the acooling of animal rights?

I see the point in 'crusading for things like this' because I feel strongly about it, not because I expect the animals to overthrow people and make me their king. I find the fact that people kill innocent animals horrible so I voice that I have a problem with it, I don't do it because I think 'They'd do it for me' or for any kind of personal gain. It suffers, so to me it's intelligence is largely irrelevant, if it feels pain then it's reasonable for me to have a problem with it. If you think 'caring for dumb animals and calling other people immoral doesn't make any sense.' then there's something wrong with you.

So what you're saying is, people should be allowed to do whatever they want, because they might not find it immoral? What's that got to do with me feeling empathetic?

Empathy.

But the majority on here can do something about eating meat, for that reason I feel more than comfortable 'on my high horse'. My main problem is that we're abusing our power over them by killing them, not the way that they're being killed particullarly, but that they are being killed at all. The sensationalists really have little impact because my problem is that they're being murdered at all no matter how 'humanely'. If people had to in order to survive I could understand that, heck I'd begrudgingly participate in it, but we don't need to, it's now the unnecessary murder of innocent animals.

Well one would assume that you do both, and I'm not really in a position to influence it in that I do actually have to eat some fruit and/or veg and am not yet in a position to financially dictate what I'm willing to eat in that respect. I'm sure I do other things that don't contribute fantastically to the situation, but that doesn't excuse eating meat.

The majority of Fruit and Vegetables that I eat are organic, but I can't say that I've looked that deeply into what goes into it, I'm only a teenager and have very little say in that anyway, but I would hope that I have as little an impact as possible. It's not quite the same as directly eating meat, which is something that supports the direct and deliberate murder of animals. No one is perfect, but to stop eating meat is something that the majority are capable of, that would limit the number of deaths of innocent animals.

We (In most cases) don't need to do it, we're intelligent enough to be aware of the pain and suffering that it causes the animal. Animals feel pain, they suffer, it shouldn't be ok for a species that is at a point now that we are aware of the consequences of killing animals, to do so.

Fixed.

Sure, we'll start with you.

If you don't have to then you shouldn't as far as I'm concerned and I certainly am not ok with people killing animals to do so.

I'm saying that if it feels pain it shouldn't be murdered, no matter what species it is.

If it can feel pain, then it's wrong to kill it. Many Animals are vulnerable, and if we take advantage of that by abusing and killing them for our own pleasure (for those who take pleasure in that, which I just can't understand), are we really much better than the people who do that to other human beings? I mean at the end of the day it feels pain, it suffers in just the same way. Intelligence should not be the measure used for whether it's ok to kill something or not, it's there ability to feel pain or to suffer that's important. If you're saying it's ok because they're less intelligent then I'd love to know if you'd support the organised murder of less intelligent people as long as it's done in a 'beautiful' manner?

...well in that you're funding torture, yes. I suppose you are supporting torture.

I ****ing hope no one has any sympathy with them or the person in question. Considering they're participating in organised murder, of an innocent animal, that really suffers, for the enjoyment of other 'civilised' people. Frankly it's a shame the death rate for the people involved isn't higher.

At least that evil Bull got what it deserved in the end, that poor man, just trying to get on with his job before being so heinously attacked by that beast. The poor guy could be traumatised by that for the rest of his long, long, life. Don't see why the Bulls can't just respect our culture.

This isn't 'art' and it's a part of the culture that if it does 'set us apart from animals' doesn't do it in a positive way. Surely if we're 'Cruel', 'Barbaric' and 'Brutal' to innocent creatures, just for our own entertainment that doesn't help paint the picture that we're a cultured, civillised, society. Animals do suffer, and if you think the fact that people have done it for generations is a good enough excuse, whether you're 'for' or 'against' it, to keep killing them for entertainment then you baffle me.

If it's barbaric and cruel then culture should go out the window, lot's of things that were 'part of the culture' have been stopped because they're barbaric. Should they bring back Fox hunting because it was part of the culture? How about slavery, is that ok because it was part of the culture? If it's cruel, then keeping it because it's part of the culture is a lousy excuse, in this case for continuing to slaughter innocent creatures for entertainment.

Does anything else you've said really matter then?

You're dead right, if people can't cope with those pictures, then maybe they should think about trying to change the way they're contributing to the problem, rather than deleting them and burying their heads in the sand.