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“We want reasoned non-hyperbolic conversation” whilst simultaneously going on about people being “anything right of far left” and “ultra left weirdos” seems pretty disingenuous to me ngl.

I think almost everyone in the uk, apart from some of those Tommy Robinson types, realise that the UK and Europe really need to build up their military and ween themselves off the US and create a much stronger and formal military alliance right now, probably seperate from NATO.

It also implies that Russia and the US are on opposite sides and that we are on the side of the US when the US have made it quite clear that is no longer the case. For all the problems with the current government can’t get my head round why anyone would want Farage in power. It’s quite obvious he’s on the side of the authoritarians and uses all their same language and ideas of smashing international institutions, bureaucrats, lawyer, judges, universities etc. to give individuals at the top of governments way more power to do what they like and essentially become a king in all but name.

Yes but it’s not about short term effects it’s about the medium-term erosion of the international institutions. It’s about showing that international institutions become nothing more than a bluff if American power isn’t behind them, which gives other regional powers more strength to control their region knowing there’s less reason to follow international law. Feels like with each one of these events we’re abandoning the post-1945 world of international institutions and we’re reverting to the pre-1914 world of military power locks and spheres of influence

One of these moments will eventually be the Franz Ferdinand moment sadly, we’re just getting too many of them nowadays and the world is becoming more and more of a melting pot. The camel can’t take much more pieces of straw. The frog in the slowly raising temperature saucepan is now approaching boiling point. I’ve run out of metaphors….

Guys, it’s New Year’s Eve. I love squabbling on here as much as the next person, but go out and get pissed and don’t think about immigration for one day of the year. You can have all the arguments about immigration you like in 2026.

Where did he say it was about if he wants or does not want him to be in the uk, he said he doesn’t want a society where we banish British citizens for words they say? The guy is a British citizen not an asylum seeker, stripping someone of their citizenship and banishing them from the country because of words they said is a legal decision that creates a legal precedent that then has to be upheld by judges in similar situations. It’s imo big brother style wokery beyond the pale. That’s how we end up down the path of breaking up millions of families and getting people killed in other countries for what society deems at the time for saying the wrong words (even if they said them decades ago) meaning none of us can say anything anymore on threat of never seeing our friends and family again (which is what I thought many on the right were supposed to be rallying against). Was it not you who ranted against the wife of a Tory MP getting prison time for allegedly encouraging people to burn down assylum hotels when there were people inside? Under the same legal system you want to set up judges would have to throw her out the country to god knows where never to see her friends and family again unless you set up legal frameworks where one thing is somehow different than the other which you won’t be svor to do because you can’t predict all the words that will be said in what way Just don’t get how so many right can genuinely want this stuff when they’re simultaneously (often rightly) so against cancel culture on the other side because they understand the legal precedent and culture it creates. I was always taught this - imagine these powers being in the hands of the worst government you can imagine, because when you’ve created these legal powers they’re now there to be used by every future government, not just the ones you like.

His mother was born in the UK, it’s nothing to do with any vetting process. He isn’t a naturalised citizen, he has his citizenship through birthright.

Sorry, I hadn't read what was said, and my system was being funny. Regardless, of how vile something is said. Stripping people of their citizenship and throwing them out the country (which is what Jenrick is suggesting publicly) based on words people say, no matter how vile, is just setting up frightening legal precedents imo and it's a frightening sign of our times that this is mainstream opinion in either the Conservative or Labour parties. That isn't democracy.

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He’s extremely consistent in his view on this, and has been since before the election - he’s on Putin’s side, not ours. People need to take him on his word for this, why would he suddenly change his viewpoint?

It's always been done though. I mean, someone from North Korea or Iraq doesn't just fill out a simple form with no checks to get a visa to visit the UK. All that's happened is what has happened to people from other diplomatically adversarial countries is now what's happening to British, French and German people. The issue is too many people are still in the October 2024 mindset that the US is a friendly diplomatic nation towards the UK, despite the fact the US has been quite open in the past few months that they see the UK and the rest of Europe as diplomatic adversaries not as allies. It is brutal for US/UK families and friends who live in both countries who are going to find it harder to see each other now, but people need to take the US at their word they're not a friendly country towards us anymore, and stop burying their head in the sand about it. Our biggest allies/closest diplomatic relationships now are the EU, Australia/NZ and Canada (maybe Japan, Singapore and S. Korea too but that's up in the air right now I'd say). We shouldn't be seeing the US as part of that anymore and if anything, realise they're actively part of the other side.

Genuinely think he’s got Alzheimer’s and is basically a puppet at this point. Crazy how a bunch of 70-80 year old men are running the US, Russia and China

I’m also in a bit of a struggle phase but I find the winters always brutal in this regard. I hope everyone manages to make it through the holidays ok. I understand this is a tough time of year for many, thinking of loved ones past, and can compound the loneliness. Really wishing everyone has a Christmas and new year where they can at least find some peace of mind

Mate you unironically called Britain a liberal dictatorship and doommongered that “we need a war to reindusteualise” and endlessly flip-flip from Russia is going to roll through Europe, war is inevitable one day to Putin has destroyed his country and Russia is pathetic so we don’t need to fear them the next… and yet you’re posting on here as normal completely uncancelled. I say this in genuine good faith - no one has cancelled you or wants to cancel you, I get the feeling that you’ve probably been on Reddit or somewhere similar too much and to speculate (again genuinely not in a non-mean way) guess by your posts you also might be on the autistic spectrum and so get way too into thinking about the war as a kind of historic narrative like how we talk about a war from 100s of years ago nowadays, rather than the lives of people who are having the houses bombed and families murdered; please don’t go down the rabbit hole of “everyone is out to get me and trying to cancel me”, that’s exactly what algorithms are designed to do to keep people engaged and what gets people to end up voting nutters like Putin or Trump in power, because they constantly play into that feeling and tell people that everyone else is out to get them and they are the only person who can save them.

Genuinely didn’t. The moon doesn’t look like it does irl on a screen anyway

I’d say it’s neither and the moon’s colour is cream.

And they think tennis balls are yellow.

And Muppet’s Christmas Carol is just a surrealist anti-capitalist didactic drug trip about a guy hallucinating talking frogs and giant forgetful puppet versions of Brian Blessed that happens to occur at Christmas.

I agree. I think it’s good, not horrible nor amazing but I’d always happily take it in a buffet for example.

I think I must’ve confused her with Tara Palmer-Tomkinson as they both on I’m a Celeb back when it was the biggest show on tv.

This made me google Janet Street-Porter only to find she was still alive. I could’ve sworn she died about 10 years ago.

The problem is you can’t because everything gets posted and filmed on social media nowadays and you can get dog piled on for doing dumb things. I’ve often said that the biggest problem with social media is you aren’t allowed to do stupid things or make mistakes anymore, it will get held against you for the rest of your life. Your early adulthood from the age of 18-around 26/27 should be about going out and doing crazy things even while you have less responsibilities and less fear factor and aren’t as jaded or cynical about everything yet. Problem is social media essentially policing people’s behaviour (on both the left and right - the left with their virtual signalling policing of if you make political incorrect mistakes or tell silly jokes that were just meant for your mates; and the right with their “people are old enough to have responsibility at that age and if they break the rules they deserve to be punished” “we should be hard as possible on rule breakers” virtue signalling policing) meant younger people do feel more fear factor and have responsibility and cynicism forced onto them a lot more than they used to.

Should be a game of Cosmic Encounter. At least that turns war into a riotously fun bluffing and negotiation game where you can blow up your own planets and steal other player’s firepower.

Factories and mines will all be run by machines these days, reindustrialising won’t solve the fundamental problems of technology making human labour no longer needed. And “we need war”, get a grip! You’re talking about millions of people dying and everyone living in constant petrified fear of being bombed. I swear from your posts you think war is just a game of Risk with your friends over a weekend and not real people dying and living in petrifying fear on mass.