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Thanks @Lestagirl for sorting that out for me.

A majority voted for 2nd ref / revoke parties. Although I imagine some remainers voted for the Conservatives and leavers for Labour, and it's immaterial now anyway.

Yeah, I don't think it's particular to any one voter group. Nor is it something that only happens in the UK.

Other way round to what?

But that sounds more like stuff you would read on social media, who could be anybody frankly. Loads of people seem to have these caricatures in their heads of what they consider the opposition to be like, which is only loosely based on reality I think.

I don't know why people get so wound up by comments about the electorate being stupid. It's hardly the worst insult and it's probably true, millions of people are stupid and have no idea what they're voting for. It's the same in every country I'm sure.

Bit difficult to play backwards to be fair.

And voters who voted Conservative because they were sick of hearing about it.

It was inevitable that we would get to this point, we had 3 years of bitching and incompetence from the UK side and mild insouciance and schadenfreude from the EU. Hopefully now a bit of progress can be made, although there's no chance it'll be done by the end of 2020. I still think it'll be bad for both the UK and Europe but sick of the insults on both sides.

I agree, and maybe that fear of losing your identity is why there's this antipathy towards the cities where you're just one person out of hundreds of thousands, many of whom aren't English. But at the same time I think there's always been a lot of resentment in English society to those we see as too successful. We tell ourselves that we are a nation that rewards drive and ambition but I think it might be a bit of a myth.

Interesting though reading those comments about Liverpool as there does seem to be a lot of small-town insecurity and massive resentment towards big successful cities from a lot of voters in Britain. Ironic, since a lot of those voters are quite nationalistic, and evoke a narrative of British exceptionalism and past greatness which came, to a large extent, out of those very same cities.

Liverpool's one of the most popular places in Britain, I always meet people abroad who either visited and loved it or want to visit it for all the history, music, etc. Which is great because England's reputation has taken a bit of a battering these years.

I agree with you, but the point is that there are lot of people in the country that feel unease about certain developments at the moment and I don't think we're all going to walk off into the sunset to the pub. Anyway, I'm sorry I was mean about the Winnie the Pooh picture.

Cummings is a bit like Rodgers at Celtic though, difficult to gauge his success. He was up against Remain 2016 and Labour 2019, both of which were awful campaigns.

You're asking me why I doubt a Jewish person would go for a pint with a Labour supporter if they think Labour poses an existential threat to them? I thought that'd be a point that didn't need too much explanation.