rotherhamfox Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 My criticism of Adams started last year, as some of his decisions bemuse me, awful subs, and a few poor signings. Sadly this has continued into this season, but why? He makes the same mistakes continually, every fan can see that its happening apart from the manager why? Is it blind faith in his own judgement which has been found wanting on more than several occasions or just lack of nouse. It seriously worries me, but these errors could be cut out so easily, another thing which makes me angry why don't Cork or Shirtliff or anyone on the bench question the decisions, surely they like us can see another bringing on of blake aint gonna work. But after all ive just read i have to say i want Adams to stay. He's been through alot with this club, and should be given a chance to turn the club round, after looking at the whole time hes been at the club he's done fairly well. His motivation before matches(which aint been here this year, yet), gets us into good winning positions such as 2-0 or even 3-0 then he will undo his and the sides good work by making terrible substitutions, leading to confusion and comebacks from beaten sides, this has happended far too many times and needs to stop, an error of his management which needs to be sorted very quickly(if there another Q & A with him, someone please highlight these facts im raising). But i feel sacking Micky could lead to real problems, perhaps even relegation, what do you fink?
Guest Daniel Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Sack him bring someone new in (dont ask who) before its too late.
Durnerz Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Facts speak for themselves, Adams took a team which he inherited from a complete idiot who were of a "too good for division one - not good enough for the premiership" standard and got them promoted, and even then,he made mistakes in that season tactically (alan rogers springs to mind). When we went up, I thought most of his signings would be good because to be honest I didnt really see much difference between us and Portsmouth who eventually stayed up, however, Adams didnt have a tactical brain and at times hid behind his favoured slogan "keep the faith" to desguise the fact that it would be down to the players to produce and not him. For loyalty,charisma, 10 out of 10, but for tactics and man management, nope.
Buzzell Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Facts speak for themselves, Adams took a team which he inherited from a complete idiot who were of a "too good for division one - not good enough for the premiership" standard and got them promoted, and even then,he made mistakes in that season tactically (alan rogers springs to mind). When we went up, I thought most of his signings would be good because to be honest I didnt really see much difference between us and Portsmouth who eventually stayed up, however, Adams didnt have a tactical brain and at times hid behind his favoured slogan "keep the faith" to desguise the fact that it would be down to the players to produce and not him. For loyalty,charisma, 10 out of 10, but for tactics and man management, nope. 19995[/snapback] We disscussed this at the bus stop on Friday didnt we. I think its about time we all stopped getting on Adams back. Let him do his job, if he fails, he will be sacked. I like Adams but I dunno whether it would be better to bring a new manager in because noing us we will bring in somebody who is worse than Adams. I would be upset to see him go but like we all say it could be time for a new manager, whether the time is now I dont no.
Guest Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 He's tactically naive, and too stubborn. He has a system, and won't change it. The more we sing the names of Wright and Benjamin, the less chance they have of playing. Get rid.
Scow Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Alot of us have said give him 10 games, including myself. 9 games gone, sitting in 13th position, failed to score in 4 out of 5 home games. Every team will go through a poor patch in a season, but sometimes that may be forgiveable if a team is showing promise. Sadly for us, we don't show anything when teams come to us with a game plan of sitting back and containing us. We don't even put the oppositon under any sustained pressure. Poor teams such as Brighton, Watford and Burnley have all come away from our place with an easy clean sheet. We haven't looked like scoring in any of those games, and questions must be asked why that is. If we want to stretch teams, we need some genuine width and pace. I think Scowcroft has played well out wide this season. Showed some good touches, distributed the ball well, and got in to some promising goalscoring situations, but I don't think we can continue to play him there. We could get away with it last time in this division because at least we had some creativity with Izzet pulling the strings, and Dickov winning free kicks, and then utilising our strengths of getting the big men in the box. This season we have looked hopeless from set pieces generally. Stewart has delivered the odd good ball, but it's not consistent enough. We haven't looked dangerous in open play as a team for a long time now, we don't create many chances, we don't put teams under any sustained pressure, and we don't even look dangerous from set pieces anymore. I think slowly but surely Adams is losing the plot. He doesn't know his best XI, it's constant chopping and changing. The subs bench generally beggars belief, putting 3 strikers on the bench when we already have 3 strikers on the pitch. Now, I'm seriously baffled by this for a number of reasons. We have Keown playing every week who is 38, and some games don't even have a defender on the bench. We have Pressman in goal who hasn't played regular first team football for a long time, but no keeper on the bench? And before anyone says: ''He's trying to be positive and win the game'', there's a thin line between being positive and gung ho, and stupidness. Taking Kevin Keegan tactics to the extreme..... I really don't know what to feel about Adams. On one hand I don't want him sacked because we have no readily made replacement for him, but then I think of some of the dire football we have to watch with his baffling tactics.
Ricey Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 I'm so angry and confused at Micky Adams, he has made many mistakes and is too stubborn to correct them. The board are too nice to sack him yet and he won't resign. Also there is the question of who will replace him.
Ash Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Also there is the question of who will replace him. 20090[/snapback] Id personally say Glenn Hoddle, He would organise some of the players Eg Stewart & Blake....
scoobyfox Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Also there is the question of who will replace him. 20090[/snapback] Id personally say Glenn Hoddle, He would organise some of the players Eg Stewart & Blake.... 20094[/snapback] Much as I despise Glen Hoddle, he's a realistic alternative who would have at least some ideas.... We watched the same listless sh1t last season.....albeit with a very small number of outstanding personalities (Izzet, Dickov, Ferdinand). If by some incredible fluke we do get promoted - what then? Another 11 signings, and wait till Christmas to see if they can play together? The Coaches, not just Adams, have THE ONLY infuence on the players.... Look at Wigan, they're not bankrolled like Bolton have been, nor like Leeds might be - they're simply a motivated team. If you think Burnley's "A small town near Blackburn" then Wigan is village! (BTW, Blackburn is not a large place!) Wigan quite clearly deserve their place at the top.... Chris
gagandeep Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 Also there is the question of who will replace him. 20090[/snapback] Id personally say Glenn Hoddle, He would organise some of the players Eg Stewart & Blake.... 20094[/snapback] Much as I despise Glen Hoddle, he's a realistic alternative who would have at least some ideas.... We watched the same listless sh1t last season.....albeit with a very small number of outstanding personalities (Izzet, Dickov, Ferdinand). If by some incredible fluke we do get promoted - what then? Another 11 signings, and wait till Christmas to see if they can play together? The Coaches, not just Adams, have THE ONLY infuence on the players.... Look at Wigan, they're not bankrolled like Bolton have been, nor like Leeds might be - they're simply a motivated team. If you think Burnley's "A small town near Blackburn" then Wigan is village! (BTW, Blackburn is not a large place!) Wigan quite clearly deserve their place at the top.... Chris 20133[/snapback] welcome to the forum. Bolton have not had much money to spend, but they have spent it wisely. Unlike us, they have brought in quality. Bolton are motivated, thats thanks to sam alladyce. the same with charlton. And fulham. i'd say if those clubs did not have their managers, they would not be mid-table premier clubs. Wigan have however spent money, not a massive amount, but enough each season, to sign a handful of quality players. they have improved each season. If/when wigan do go up they will have money to spend. I agree with you, Glen Hoddle would be a good manager for us. He can't do much worse then micky mouse. If we don't get a minimum of four points from qpr, and gillingham, i can see micky being under severe pressue from the board.
Ash Posted 19 September 2004 Posted 19 September 2004 For Micky to keep his job i would say 6 points is needed from the QPR & Gillingham games
Guest Daniel Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 Can you seriously see us winning these games though? I suppose it depends on which side turns up, and whos in what mood. On paper we got a half decent team, i dont think the motivation is very good though.
Hullfox Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 Also there is the question of who will replace him. 20090[/snapback] Id personally say Glenn Hoddle, He would organise some of the players Eg Stewart & Blake.... 20094[/snapback] Much as I despise Glen Hoddle, he's a realistic alternative who would have at least some ideas.... We watched the same listless sh1t last season.....albeit with a very small number of outstanding personalities (Izzet, Dickov, Ferdinand). If by some incredible fluke we do get promoted - what then? Another 11 signings, and wait till Christmas to see if they can play together? The Coaches, not just Adams, have THE ONLY infuence on the players.... Look at Wigan, they're not bankrolled like Bolton have been, nor like Leeds might be - they're simply a motivated team. If you think Burnley's "A small town near Blackburn" then Wigan is village! (BTW, Blackburn is not a large place!) Wigan quite clearly deserve their place at the top.... Chris 20133[/snapback] welcome to the forum. Bolton have not had much money to spend, but they have spent it wisely. Unlike us, they have brought in quality. Bolton are motivated, thats thanks to sam alladyce. the same with charlton. And fulham. i'd say if those clubs did not have their managers, they would not be mid-table premier clubs. Wigan have however spent money, not a massive amount, but enough each season, to sign a handful of quality players. they have improved each season. If/when wigan do go up they will have money to spend. I agree with you, Glen Hoddle would be a good manager for us. He can't do much worse then micky mouse. If we don't get a minimum of four points from qpr, and gillingham, i can see micky being under severe pressue from the board. 20149[/snapback] Bolton have spent a lot of money on wages and would struggle badly at the bank if relegated. Obviously though Allardyce is a better manager
Guest Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 If Rangers sack Alex McLeish, then I would have him as manager. The only reason he's struggling in Scotland is the lack of resources at Ibrox, and the pressure of catching up with Celtic.
Babylon Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 lack of resources at Ibrox 20182[/snapback] And the money is flowing at the walkers stadium!!??
Marcoos Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 I used to be a supporter of Adams. Now I have 3 words for him: OUT OUT OUT. He hasn't a clue tactically, cannot motivate, when things clearly are not working does not have a plan B (and barely a plan A) and I cannot see things changing. Take Saturday. Dire game, going nowhere with the crowd getting restless: 2 atacking options with his final substitution 1. Blake on. Who has played poorly every chance given and not liked by the fans 2. Wright on. Not been given a chance this season and will give the crowd a lift who wil raise the noise levels and encourage a last push for the win. Surprise, surprise which option is taken. NOT A CLUE
Guest Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 lack of resources at Ibrox 20182[/snapback] And the money is flowing at the walkers stadium!!?? 20183[/snapback] And your point is? He's used to finite resources, and we have some decent players here. He's a fighter, and should be able to get something out of what we've got. Plus, we are not as poor as people make out. We have transferred most of the high earners now, transfer fees are going down at the minute, unless you want us to sign world class players, and players wages have started to come down. There's no reason why we can't compete in this division.
Hullfox Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 lack of resources at Ibrox 20182[/snapback] And the money is flowing at the walkers stadium!!?? 20183[/snapback] And your point is? He's used to finite resources, and we have some decent players here. He's a fighter, and should be able to get something out of what we've got. Plus, we are not as poor as people make out. We have transferred most of the high earners now, transfer fees are going down at the minute, unless you want us to sign world class players, and players wages have started to come down. There's no reason why we can't compete in this division. 20191[/snapback] I think that Babylon made a fair point in the context of your post Lisa. (That's assuming that he read it in the same way as me). It sounded as though you were saying that one of the major reasons he was struggling was because of a lack of money and, as we all know the Walkers isn't exactly cash rich.
Guest Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 lack of resources at Ibrox 20182[/snapback] And the money is flowing at the walkers stadium!!?? 20183[/snapback] And your point is? He's used to finite resources, and we have some decent players here. He's a fighter, and should be able to get something out of what we've got. Plus, we are not as poor as people make out. We have transferred most of the high earners now, transfer fees are going down at the minute, unless you want us to sign world class players, and players wages have started to come down. There's no reason why we can't compete in this division. 20191[/snapback] I think that Babylon made a fair point in the context of your post Lisa. (That's assuming that he read it in the same way as me). It sounded as though you were saying that one of the major reasons he was struggling was because of a lack of money and, as we all know the Walkers isn't exactly cash rich. 20193[/snapback] He's not able to compete with Celtic, is what I mean, and he can't bring in players of a similar standard to work with. But the fact is he knows how to work with a tight budget.
Guest Daniel Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 I used to be a supporter of Adams. Now I have 3 words for him: OUT OUT OUT.He hasn't a clue tactically, cannot motivate, when things clearly are not working does not have a plan B (and barely a plan A) and I cannot see things changing. Take Saturday. Dire game, going nowhere with the crowd getting restless: 2 atacking options with his final substitution 1. Blake on. Who has played poorly every chance given and not liked by the fans 2. Wright on. Not been given a chance this season and will give the crowd a lift who wil raise the noise levels and encourage a last push for the win. Surprise, surprise which option is taken. NOT A CLUE 20185[/snapback] I have got to say you just took the words straight out my mouth. Top post.
step Posted 20 September 2004 Posted 20 September 2004 You can see by the lack of motivation and passion on the pitch that the players have lost their respect for MA, and now the fans are starting to see MA's shortcommings and feel the same. A manager that refuses to admit to himself that he has made mistakes it useless because he will never learn from those mistakes and will never improve. There is no acceptable excuse for the lack of motivation, the tactical stupidity or the crap selection of players. He has to go
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