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Or perhaps we will let him go, but the club aren't going to do so on the cheap and will get as much as they can. If there are plenty of options and interest it's foolish to accept the first offer.

Who said it wasn't... I think you are the one making assumptions and generally never giving any benefit of the doubt when you have little information to go on.

This view that counter attacking is the way forward is just baffling. It didn't work often ENOUGH, that's why two managers lost their jobs. That's why the end of the title season we were scraping through games. That's why we've been bottom three twice paying that way. It'll work when teams attack and that's when we've won games. But the notion that trying to add another way of playing isn't the right one I can't agree with. Has Puel found us another way... well we aren't bottom three, but it's clunky and fails too often. But even if it's another manager, it's still the way to go.

Always Puel's fault eh.

So why you mentioning 20 appearances earlier? Anyway, nice chatting.

Makes little sense Ric, why would we leave him out of the squad completely for 7 games, then randomly chuck him in for 65 minutes against Saints in the cup, then just vanish him again. He's been missing for huge chunks of the season, then reappeared, then vanishes again, then reappears. He's made 21 appearances.... we meant to believe €5m is resting on playing 22 games in all comps? Or 15 league games? We've heard all this shit before from ITK's with players then rocking up a few weeks later.

This isn't about opinion, it's about fact. They stipulated that the amount is €5m not £5m They stipulated that the amount is variable They stipulated that the amount is upto They stipulated that the amount is based on player AND club performance. ie. The €5m is made up of multiple differing amounts set on multiple differing goals. Not a flat €5m, because that wouldn't be variable, that wouldn't be upto and that wouldn't be based on player and club performance.

Who said anything about him being worn out? We'd have been working on formation and tactics most of the week, which he would have missed. He's not trained with us since the summer and probably not even some of our signings. Expecting him to walk into the team is just not realistic, so using that to slam the manager is totally unfair. It's a dig at the manager and overly negative because if you weren't so against the bloke, you'd see what you're accusing him off just isn't fair.

He'd been training for one day, get real. This ultra negative taking a pop at the manger over everything is just ridiculous.

Remember when he was our best defender, better than Wes and great on the ball....

Sporting released a statement about the deal when he originally signed, there is a variable amount up to €5m in the contract but that is and based on player AND club performance. There is no chance in heaven that we will owe them £5m more based on one more appearance at such a low level of appearances. When the contract was made we'd have expected him to have made this many appearances by Christmas at the latest.

I'm not trying to compare stats, I'm replying to someone who said Slimani didn't make an impact when it's as clear as day he did with those stats. The same person elsewhere said previously that Silva hadn't had enough of a chance, so I'm merely pointing out that Slimani managed to make an impact from limited game time. Silva, even forgetting those stats just hasn't contributed anything. He's not even looked good. It's a very specific post to the person I quoted, about posts in multiple threads.

Eh... he's like our best winger!

Aware of that, but he brought up players making an impact. Slimani actually made one that first season, Silva honestly I can't remember being impressed with anything he's done barring 5 minutes against Huddersfield.

Age and potential? You do realise that Silva is 30 in two months, the same age as Slimani? We are crying out for someone who can get their noggin on the ball also. No it's not, but then it's not the managers fault he's left with a load of players who he didn't sign and doesn't think good enough. Did he? You seem very keen to embrace the narrative driven by a few people on here who have got more wrong than right. Lets not forget all the ITK's who blamed Pearson for lots of stuff that was bollocks. Lets deal with what we know and see.

First years.... Slimani - 16 Starts, 12 subs about 1500 minutes in total... 8 goals and 5 assists. He had the best goals and assists ratio of our strikers that first season. * Silva - 10 starts 4 sub about 900 minutes total... done absolutely nothing. * Who made the more impact to deserve more chances? Which one do you defend? *Excludes FA and League Cups

I'd imagine nothing, we'd be happy to get wages off the books alone.

You can see from his videos, it's all about quick ball into the right areas to get moves started.

I wouldn't be shocked, us having two DCM's isn't the problem. It's having two DCM's who aren't quick enough or accurate enough when on the ball. If we could revert Ndidi back to being the ball winner and put someone next to him capable of being the more forward thinking CM, in terms of quick ball to start attacking I think we'd see a difference. Ndidi being tasked as being the more forward thinking player is doomed to fail as he just can pass the ball accurately enough. He has so many chances to put ball into space but just gives it away, that adds to the sloppy / slow forward movement we have. Two attacking full backs, two wingers, a 10 and a 9 is enough to create so long as those in the middle can feed them quick enough.

The problem with Ghezzal is that his worst is really really bad, it's like 2/10 standard. Albrighton at his worst is probably a 5 and Gray a 3 or 4. But when he's on it he's actually been alright. Certainly far more creative than Gray and I didn't need to see stats to know that one. If he could improve those really bad performances to the point of being competent at worst, he'd be absolutely fine.

Us Everton, Fulham and Saints generally field one of the youngest starting 11's in the league. Not sure it's the youngest team particularly as we're dragged down by three players Wes, Kasper and Vardy. But with it being a very chance that the team could be something like the below at some point, that would probably take the youngest stating 11 stat this season. Kasper Ricardo Maguire Soyuncu Chilwell Ndidi Hamza Gray Maddison Barnes Vardy

Like I said, I have no problem with the message, I just don't like the way it was packaged. With about 50 really shitty blokes and kids and about 5 nice people, who apparently only existed after the me too movement when "something changed". If you want to appeal to men to do the right thing, then it might be wise to not dump on them and act like they are mostly all shits other than a few. I'm in marketing and I'm looking at it from that side of things and I just think the balance was well off.

That's very harsh, we often dominate teams having god knows how much more possession and many more shots than them. Quite frankly he'd probably be more successful if he played as defensively as the shit houses that come to us looking for no more than a point. He's also swapped defensive players like Simpson and Okazaki for attacking players like Maddison and Ricardo, yes he plays two DM's, but that's to allow the full backs to get forward and I'm pretty sure at the top of his list is a far more creative CM, but someone more capable in a two with the attributes needed to do the covering. I don't think Silva is that, hence why he wants rid. We need a CM capable of picking a pass and able to shift the ball quickly and a bit more quality in the final third from out wide. Now, it's entirely up for debate as to whether he'll be good enough to get more out of players in the final third, our movement is often too static and rather than trying to pull players about, we end up just crossing the ball to nobody. But I don't think we're attempting to "not lose" and nick a result. I don't find him a defensive manager, he can be conservative at times where chucking caution to the wind might be better. But he's no Pulis and he's better than most managers in that respect who rock up at our place. Yes it was ridiculous to go with three DCM's against Saints. But many of those now slating him for that, slated him for not picking that against Cardiff. It's that final ball and final chance creation where we are lacking at the moment IMO, but I don't think we're a million miles away from doing better.

If you are the sort of person they describe, are you going to take the blindest bit of notice of what a razor company thinks? You're more likely to get annoyed about it and give the Mrs an extra hard slap tonight. The "Men Stop Being Shits" angle is just a bit odd when your customers, those buying your product are men. We mostly aren't shits, we're mostly fairly normal, non bullying, non groping, not the slightest bit rapey. The whole thing is plain odd IMO, to wrap that message in an advert. If you actually wanted to do something about it and to help spread a perfectly fine message, there are other ways of going about it. Or as someone else mentioned, how about championing men's issues rather than pointing a finger at men and wagging it.