Population-1 Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Quick question - in light of the current malaise and annual call for fresh managerial blood I am once again far from surprised at the lack of potential replacements for Rob Kelly that are forthcoming. Admittedly, the job may be too much for the man - but I could unquestionably argue a similar case for the likes of a certain Mr Southgate, Gregory, Dowie, Roeder, Pearce etc etc. The truth be told - I would argue that there are only three existing managers in the top two divisions who could be truly classed as 'outstanding' and rank along with some of the past greats: Wenger O'Neill Coppell Ferguson has made too many poor tactical decisions, defensive signings and his record in Europe has simply not been good enough to rank as outstanding. Mourinho needs to be tested independently with a team laden with few resources and minimal financial backing. Give me the finances and teams he inherited at both Porto and Chelsea and I would expect to win back to back titles in such uncompetitive leagues. So - my question is: can you argue that there are any other true managerial greats in our midst at the moment? If so, lets not all depsair too much - as we are actually not missing out on all that much when it comes to leadership. That said, I do know of some potentially excellent non-league coaches......
bigneville Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Quick question - in light of the current malaise and annual call for fresh managerial blood I am once again far from surprised at the lack of potential replacements for Rob Kelly that are forthcoming. Admittedly, the job may be too much for the man - but I could unquestionably argue a similar case for the likes of a certain Mr Southgate, Gregory, Dowie, Roeder, Pearce etc etc. The truth be told - I would argue that there are only three existing managers in the top two divisions who could be truly classed as 'outstanding' and rank along with some of the past greats: Wenger O'Neill Coppell Ferguson has made too many poor tactical decisions, defensive signings and his record in Europe has simply not been good enough to rank as outstanding. Mourinho needs to be tested independently with a team laden with few resources and minimal financial backing. Give me the finances and teams he inherited at both Porto and Chelsea and I would expect to win back to back titles in such uncompetitive leagues. So - my question is: can you argue that there are any other true managerial greats in our midst at the moment? If so, lets not all depsair too much - as we are actually not missing out on all that much when it comes to leadership. That said, I do know of some potentially excellent non-league coaches...... What about the Champions League with Porto, was that not enough brilliance for you?
nhfox Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 What about the Champions League with Porto, was that not enough brilliance for you? Indeed. I recall Mourinho taunted Manchester United after Porto knocked them out of the Champions League by saying something the effect of "I'd be upset too if I was eliminated by a team with a fraction of their budget."
Milky Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 What about the Champions League with Porto, was that not enough brilliance for you? luck was heavily involved with that, scholes had a goal ruled offside which was clearly a wrong decision and would have sent Man u through.
Thracian Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Ferguson. It's not so much how many mistakes you make as how many times you get it right. Football is about winning things and he's got the silverware to match anyone, and over a long period of time. He's also presided over some cracking football and there's usually been a few home grown players in the side. For Leicester City, Matt Gillies put together the best team we ever had. If you want to mention "non League" then Beaglehome's team are top of the youth League were second last year, won the Westerby Cup and score/scored goals for fun. That said I've no idea whether he'd make a League manager...I just like the way he tackles the game and forever urges his team forward. But whoever came I would want someone who knows how to attack. I am sick to the teeth with seeing a defence-biased apology for football at the Walkers.
shen Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Mourinho is outstanding, as is Rafa Benitez. Their records speaks very much for themselves. Both have won the Champions League, both have won 2 domestic titles in recent history in arguably the two best leagues in the world respectively, and both have managed 'smaller' clubs and achieved great results. And obviously any manager would be proud to have a record like Sir Alex. And to be honest, if someone like Coppell deserves the tag of being 'outstanding' (which despite his commendable achievements so far, he doesn't) then so do George Burley and Mr Pardew!
potter3 Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Plus Coppell has quite a bit of money, from Madjeski.
Maybes Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Quick question - in light of the current malaise and annual call for fresh managerial blood I am once again far from surprised at the lack of potential replacements for Rob Kelly that are forthcoming. Admittedly, the job may be too much for the man - but I could unquestionably argue a similar case for the likes of a certain Mr Southgate, Gregory, Dowie, Roeder, Pearce etc etc. The truth be told - I would argue that there are only three existing managers in the top two divisions who could be truly classed as 'outstanding' and rank along with some of the past greats: Wenger O'Neill Coppell Ferguson has made too many poor tactical decisions, defensive signings and his record in Europe has simply not been good enough to rank as outstanding. Mourinho needs to be tested independently with a team laden with few resources and minimal financial backing. Give me the finances and teams he inherited at both Porto and Chelsea and I would expect to win back to back titles in such uncompetitive leagues. So - my question is: can you argue that there are any other true managerial greats in our midst at the moment? If so, lets not all depsair too much - as we are actually not missing out on all that much when it comes to leadership. That said, I do know of some potentially excellent non-league coaches...... How is the premiership uncompetitive???
Ultra Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 How is the premiership uncompetitive??? Because in its short history, it's often been won by the club with the biggest chequebook (Man U, Arsenal or Chelsea). When I was at school (1967-81) at least a dozen top-flight sides would start a season with genuine hopes of landing the title. Can't say that now. Everyone knows it will be one of the big four, probably Chelsea (again). The Premiership is becoming perilously like its Scottish equivalent..
Ultra Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Quick question - in light of the current malaise and annual call for fresh managerial blood I am once again far from surprised at the lack of potential replacements for Rob Kelly that are forthcoming. Admittedly, the job may be too much for the man - but I could unquestionably argue a similar case for the likes of a certain Mr Southgate, Gregory, Dowie, Roeder, Pearce etc etc. The truth be told - I would argue that there are only three existing managers in the top two divisions who could be truly classed as 'outstanding' and rank along with some of the past greats: Wenger O'Neill Coppell Ferguson has made too many poor tactical decisions, defensive signings and his record in Europe has simply not been good enough to rank as outstanding. Mourinho needs to be tested independently with a team laden with few resources and minimal financial backing. Give me the finances and teams he inherited at both Porto and Chelsea and I would expect to win back to back titles in such uncompetitive leagues. So - my question is: can you argue that there are any other true managerial greats in our midst at the moment? If so, lets not all depsair too much - as we are actually not missing out on all that much when it comes to leadership. That said, I do know of some potentially excellent non-league coaches...... Ferguson was already a legend before he set foot in Old Trafford. Taking Aberdeen to numerous Scottish honours ahead of the Old Firm, together with success in Europe (which NONE of the managers you cite have achieved to date) is no mean feat, and deserves more merit than you've given it. Mourinho and Benitez also deserve inclusion for their record of success both here and elsewhere.
De Vries The King Posted 25 September 2006 Posted 25 September 2006 Quick question - in light of the current malaise and annual call for fresh managerial blood I am once again far from surprised at the lack of potential replacements for Rob Kelly that are forthcoming. Admittedly, the job may be too much for the man - but I could unquestionably argue a similar case for the likes of a certain Mr Southgate, Gregory, Dowie, Roeder, Pearce etc etc. The truth be told - I would argue that there are only three existing managers in the top two divisions who could be truly classed as 'outstanding' and rank along with some of the past greats: Wenger O'Neill Coppell Ferguson has made too many poor tactical decisions, defensive signings and his record in Europe has simply not been good enough to rank as outstanding. Mourinho needs to be tested independently with a team laden with few resources and minimal financial backing. Give me the finances and teams he inherited at both Porto and Chelsea and I would expect to win back to back titles in such uncompetitive leagues. So - my question is: can you argue that there are any other true managerial greats in our midst at the moment? If so, lets not all depsair too much - as we are actually not missing out on all that much when it comes to leadership. That said, I do know of some potentially excellent non-league coaches...... Wenger until last year has done nothing memorable in the Champions League with a team like Arsenal, Ferguson on the other hand has on many occasions got to the latter stages (quarters, semi's). Wenger was outstanding over the two seasons with which he had the 49 match unbeaten run (ended by Ferguson's United might I add) but other than this he hasn't been all that good, especially with a player like Henry. Ferguson is a great manager and no-one can argue with that! Coppell doesn't deserve to be their but I do agree with O'Neill.
Ultra Posted 29 September 2006 Posted 29 September 2006 O'Neill probably has to win something in Europe to be considered in general terms as a great manager. But he could well achieve this at Villa within the next five years.
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