Geo V Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=4...d+running+again He`s back! It`ll be interesting to see what Newcastle do when he is fully fit as Martins is another midget! It`ll be strange seeing two little lads upfront, Im not sure that would work?? Anyway we have desperately missed him for England IMO. He is an outball for our forwards and I want us to stop lumping the ball toward Crouch all the time. Owens return will also see the best of Rooney who love splaying just behind a pacy striker so that he can either pass the ball to him or have him run down the channels. My only fear is that his return will be too late for us in the qualification for the Euro`s.
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Nice to see him getting back into training again. Hopefully he can keep his fitness this time. Although he will never regain that sharpness he can still do a job for the Toon.
lildave3 Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Quite a few players have had career threatening injuries, then after seeing Steadman have gone to become better than ever (Van Nistlerooy, Shearer) hopefully Michael will do the same.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 I don't think he's missed too much by England - I think he's too overrated. He was great when he burst on to the scene, but since he moved to Real Madrid, did shit there and got injured, he has lost his sharpness and a yard of pace, so he doesn't pose the same threat he once did.
lildave3 Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 I don't think he's missed too much by England - I think he's too overrated. He was great when he burst on to the scene, but since he moved to Real Madrid, did shit there and got injured, he has lost his sharpness and a yard of pace, so he doesn't pose the same threat he once did. He scored loads of goals over there. Spent most of the time on the bench too.
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 I don't think he's missed too much by England - I think he's too overrated. He was great when he burst on to the scene, but since he moved to Real Madrid, did shit there and got injured, he has lost his sharpness and a yard of pace, so he doesn't pose the same threat he once did. He didn't do that bad at Real. 13 goals in 20 starts with 15 sub appearences, most likely 10 mins here and there.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 He scored loads of goals over there. Spent most of the time on the bench too. He didn't do that bad at Real. 13 goals in 20 starts with 15 sub appearences, most likely 10 mins here and there. Was just testing your knowledge! Nah he did quite well in terms of goalscoring over there but failed to hold down a place in the first team, which I think goes against him when people assess his performances over there without looking at the stats. 13 goals in 35 appearances - just under a goal every 3 games.
lookwhaticando Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Owen is our best striker. Of course we miss him.
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Owen is our best striker. Of course we miss him. He could still do a great job for us. Rooney has been crying out for a player like Owen to play with him. With Owen in the team Rooney can drop deep and do what he does best instead of playing with that donkey Crouch.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Owen is our best striker. Of course we miss him. This better have been sarcastic. He could still do a great job for us. Rooney has been crying out for a player like Owen to play with him. With Owen in the team Rooney can drop deep and do what he does best instead of playing with that donkey Crouch. Don't be so stupid. Really. If Rooney wanted an Owen type player, then Andy Johnson (no not ours) would be perfect for him. He doesn't need Owen for shit. Owen is overrated because of what he achieved when he was younger. He has lost a yard of pace and is too injury prone. He's a worse player now than he ever was in the past. I wouldn't play him. Fact.
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Don't be so stupid. Really. If Rooney wanted an Owen type player, then Andy Johnson (no not ours) would be perfect for him. He doesn't need Owen for shit. Owen is overrated because of what he achieved when he was younger. He has lost a yard of pace and is too injury prone. He's a worse player now than he ever was in the past. I wouldn't play him. Fact. You can't even compare Owen and Johnson! Johnson isn't good enough. End of. Rooney needs Owen
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 This better have been sarcastic. Don't be so stupid. Really. If Rooney wanted an Owen type player, then Andy Johnson (no not ours) would be perfect for him. He doesn't need Owen for shit. Owen is overrated because of what he achieved when he was younger. He has lost a yard of pace and is too injury prone. He's a worse player now than he ever was in the past. I wouldn't play him. Fact. Andy Johnson maybe. Anyone but Crouch. Everytime Johnson has played for England he has done nothing. Mainly because McLaren plays him out of positon. But Rooney just needs someone that he can slip balls through too and play to each others strengths.] Owen can still do a job for England.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 You can't even compare Owen and Johnson! Johnson isn't good enough. End of. Rooney needs Owen If Rooney needs Owen, then I'm afraid Rooney will go the same way MO did. Owen is poor now, his performances in the World Cup were laughable, and he hasn't really impressed me for a long, long time. Johnson hasn't exactly had all the chances or high-level experience Owen has had. Wouldn't hurt to give him the chance, especially seeing as he looks decent in the Prem for Everton.
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 If Rooney needs Owen, then I'm afraid Rooney will go the same way MO did. Owen is poor now, his performances in the World Cup were laughable, and he hasn't really impressed me for a long, long time. Johnson hasn't exactly had all the chances or high-level experience Owen has had. Wouldn't hurt to give him the chance, especially seeing as he looks decent in the Prem for Everton. Owen was never really 100% fit in the World Cup. Sven just bottled it and played him.
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 If Rooney needs Owen, then I'm afraid Rooney will go the same way MO did. Owen is poor now, his performances in the World Cup were laughable, and he hasn't really impressed me for a long, long time. Johnson hasn't exactly had all the chances or high-level experience Owen has had. Wouldn't hurt to give him the chance, especially seeing as he looks decent in the Prem for Everton. For me, we have 3 similair strikers, Jermaine Defoe, Andy Johnson and Kieron Dyer and I don't think any of them are really England quality. Obviously Dyer has had a frustrating time with injuries so he will probably get another England chance eventually. Likewise with Johnson, I'd like to see him play in his proper position, but from whta I've seen of him he's been poor Defoe's had his chances and proved he doesn't have what it takes.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Owen was never really 100% fit in the World Cup. Sven just bottled it and played him. Another excuse being made for him really. Fair play to the lad - he'd hardly had any football at all under his belt before going to the World Cup due to injury (unsuprisingly), so he wasn't in the best shape, but that still doesn't excuse his performances for being utter shite. Rooney had hardly played football before playing in the World Cup as well, but his performances were a whole lot better than Owens overall.
filbertway Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 This better have been sarcastic. Don't be so stupid. Really. If Rooney wanted an Owen type player, then Andy Johnson (no not ours) would be perfect for him. He doesn't need Owen for shit. Owen is overrated because of what he achieved when he was younger. He has lost a yard of pace and is too injury prone. He's a worse player now than he ever was in the past. I wouldn't play him. Fact. Yeh but he's still one of the best goal scorers we have.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 For me, we have 3 similair strikers, Jermaine Defoe, Andy Johnson and Kieron Dyer and I don't think any of them are really England quality. Obviously Dyer has had a frustrating time with injuries so he will probably get another England chance eventually. Likewise with Johnson, I'd like to see him play in his proper position, but from whta I've seen of him he's been poor Defoe's had his chances and proved he doesn't have what it takes. Johnson deserves more of a chance really to play for England - he has done it in the Prem, and he needs to test himself at a higher level to see what he's made of. When he played for England, he didn't even get to play in his preferred role - down the middle. I think he was used as a winger - hardly where a striker is going to impress is it?
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Another excuse being made for him really. Fair play to the lad - he'd hardly had any football at all under his belt before going to the World Cup due to injury (unsuprisingly), so he wasn't in the best shape, but that still doesn't excuse his performances for being utter shite. Rooney had hardly played football before playing in the World Cup as well, but his performances were a whole lot better than Owens overall. It's like saying Owen Hargreaves is a quality player just because he had 3 or 4 good games at the World Cup. You're saying Owen is overrated because he had a bad World Cup. He has been a tremendous goalscorer for both club and country. He's banged them in for England for Liverpool, didn't exactly do bad at Real Madrid and was looking great for Newcastle before the injury.
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Another excuse being made for him really. Fair play to the lad - he'd hardly had any football at all under his belt before going to the World Cup due to injury (unsuprisingly), so he wasn't in the best shape, but that still doesn't excuse his performances for being utter shite. Rooney had hardly played football before playing in the World Cup as well, but his performances were a whole lot better than Owens overall. He wasn't great at the World Cup true. But England were poor at the World Cup on a whole. Sven clearly did not know what he was doing with the team. I still think that Owen can do a job for England if he can maintain some sort of fitness and match sharpeness
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Yeh but he's still one of the best goal scorers we have. Again, I think a lot of that is down to what he achieved when he was younger and less injury prone.
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 It's like saying Owen Hargreaves is a quality player just because he had 3 or 4 good games at the World Cup. You're saying Owen is overrated because he had a bad World Cup. He has been a tremendous goalscorer for both club and country. He's banged them in for England for Liverpool, didn't exactly do bad at Real Madrid and was looking great for Newcastle before the injury. Owen, considering, did very well at Real Madrid. Mostly limited to sub appearances and when he did start he had a decent scoring record.
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Goalscoring Record: England: 36 goals from 80 caps Liverpool: 138 in 223(39) Real Madrid: 13 in 20(15) Newcastle: 7 in 10(1) Now for me that says it all...
Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Goalscoring Record: England: 36 goals from 80 caps Liverpool: 138 in 223(39) Real Madrid: 13 in 20(15) Newcastle: 7 in 10(1) Now for me that says it all... Alot of teams lack a goalscorer these days and as these stats show Owen is a proven goalscorer wherever he has been. 7 in 10 for Newcastle is very good conisidering that alot of them have been after injury.
lcfc_jme Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Owen, considering, did very well at Real Madrid. Mostly limited to sub appearances and when he did start he had a decent scoring record. I've got no doubts about Owens goalscoring abilities if he has things put on a plate for him. Any decent striker should be able to take half a chance. There's no doubt he has natural ability. But he is nowhere near as good as people are making him out to be, and he isn't as important to England as people are making him out to be either. Honestly. Oh, and for the record, I haven't said Hargreaves is a good player just because he had a good World Cup. If he is consistent and plays at that high level everytime he steps out in an England shirt (which Owen doesn't do - his record is distorted by scoring doubles and hat-tricks), then that's good enough for me. Goalscoring Record: England: 36 goals from 80 caps Liverpool: 138 in 223(39) Real Madrid: 13 in 20(15) Newcastle: 7 in 10(1) Now for me that says it all... Impressive statistics. Infact they make him look better than Thierry Henry. Or Ronaldinho. Is he? No I don't think he is. Again, it'd be interesting to see how many of those goals were from penalties, how many goals were simple tap-ins and how many doubles/hat-tricks he grabbed against poor quality opposition. Figures can lie and can be distorted. As lookwhaticando has sort of said before, statistics are easily used to represent almost anything you want them to.
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