Simi Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Impressive statistics. Infact they make him look better than Thierry Henry. Or Ronaldinho. Is he? No I don't think he is. Again, it'd be interesting to see how many of those goals were from penalties, how many goals were simple tap-ins and how many doubles/hat-tricks he grabbed against poor quality opposition. Figures can lie and can be distorted. As lookwhaticando has sort of said before, statistics are easily used to represent almost anything you want them to. Henry and Ronaldinho score a fair amount of goals from free kicks and penaltys. In my opinion Henry and Ronaldinho are at there respective clubs to do a different job. Owen is bought as a pure goalscorer and that's exactly what he has done. This makes him good because he does what he is bought to do.
Joe. Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 Oh, and for the record, I haven't said Hargreaves is a good player just because he had a good World Cup. If he is consistent and plays at that high level everytime he steps out in an England shirt (which Owen doesn't do - his record is distorted by scoring doubles and hat-tricks), then that's good enough for me. Impressive statistics. Infact they make him look better than Thierry Henry. Or Ronaldinho. Is he? No I don't think he is. Again, it'd be interesting to see how many of those goals were from penalties, how many goals were simple tap-ins and how many doubles/hat-tricks he grabbed against poor quality opposition. Figures can lie and can be distorted. As lookwhaticando has sort of said before, statistics are easily used to represent almost anything you want them to. I didn't say you said Hargreaves was a good player i was just using him as an example. As for the goals scored from simple tap ins, they all count and somebody has to be there to finish them. All good strikers need to get into the positions to score goals first. You can't argue with his scoring record. And he's still got time. He's only 28...
filbertway Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 I've got no doubts about Owens goalscoring abilities if he has things put on a plate for him. Any decent striker should be able to take half a chance. There's no doubt he has natural ability. But he is nowhere near as good as people are making him out to be, and he isn't as important to England as people are making him out to be either. Honestly. Oh, and for the record, I haven't said Hargreaves is a good player just because he had a good World Cup. If he is consistent and plays at that high level everytime he steps out in an England shirt (which Owen doesn't do - his record is distorted by scoring doubles and hat-tricks), then that's good enough for me. Impressive statistics. Infact they make him look better than Thierry Henry. Or Ronaldinho. Is he? No I don't think he is. Again, it'd be interesting to see how many of those goals were from penalties, how many goals were simple tap-ins and how many doubles/hat-tricks he grabbed against poor quality opposition. Figures can lie and can be distorted. As lookwhaticando has sort of said before, statistics are easily used to represent almost anything you want them to. He's a striker though, surely hsi job is to score, it doesn't matter how?
RowlattsFox Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 I've got no doubts about Owens goalscoring abilities if he has things put on a plate for him. Any decent striker should be able to take half a chance. There's no doubt he has natural ability. But he is nowhere near as good as people are making him out to be, and he isn't as important to England as people are making him out to be either. Honestly. Oh, and for the record, I haven't said Hargreaves is a good player just because he had a good World Cup. If he is consistent and plays at that high level everytime he steps out in an England shirt (which Owen doesn't do - his record is distorted by scoring doubles and hat-tricks), then that's good enough for me. Impressive statistics. Infact they make him look better than Thierry Henry. Or Ronaldinho. Is he? No I don't think he is. Again, it'd be interesting to see how many of those goals were from penalties, how many goals were simple tap-ins and how many doubles/hat-tricks he grabbed against poor quality opposition. Figures can lie and can be distorted. As lookwhaticando has sort of said before, statistics are easily used to represent almost anything you want them to. most of van nistelrooys goals are tap ins, are you saying he isnt a good player? i agree that his overall perfomance isnt great but will usualy get a goal. owen and rooney are by far the best striking pair we have IMO, the stength in depth upfront in england is abysmal at the moment.
Thracian Posted 12 February 2007 Posted 12 February 2007 He's never been my favourite player. As soon as the cold weather comes he's injured. Mind you if he and Matty Fryatt teamed up at the Walkers we could play McAuley and Kisnorbo as strikers from November til the end of February, and that might be interesting.
Geo V Posted 13 February 2007 Author Posted 13 February 2007 Owen is not fancied by some England fans for the same reason why the Real board didnt take to him, he isnt a "skilful and pretty footballer to watch". At Madrid he was classed as a Galactico because he looked one dimensional in a team that had skilful players such as Robinho, Zidane and the rest. Its funny that they have subsequently bought in more hard working players like Gago, Emerson and Diarra since Owen left as and slowly dismantling the Galctico`s! Owen is a great goal scorer if you play to his strengths. Dont punt the ball up and expect him to hold it up but use the channels and use his pace and off the ball running abilities in addition to passing him the ball around the peno area and you have a quality striker. Rooney is his ideal partner as he will create the chances for him and with Steve Gerrard also threading through passes, I think that trio could be awesome. Lets pray that Owen stays injury free as we are in desperate need for quality strikers. We havent replaced Ferdinand, Sherringham, Fowler, Ian Wright and Shearer from the last 5 or 6 years and the likes of AJ and Defoe arent at that very top level. Owen is the only out and out proven quality striker we have so get well soon!
dandannieldanok Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 England miss Owen of the WC '98, he has lost some of his attributes now. i.e pace and sharpness.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 England miss Owen of the WC '98, he has lost some of his attributes now. i.e pace and sharpness. A fully fit Micheal Owen would still be the best striker in this country.
dandannieldanok Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 A fully fit Micheal Owen would still be the best striker in this country. Possibly, but McLaren should wait to see whether Owen makes a successful scoring return for the toon before reinstating him to the England squad.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 Possibly, but McLaren should wait to see whether Owen makes a successful scoring return for the toon before reinstating him to the England squad. No arguement there.
dandannieldanok Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 No arguement there. Could this be the first thing that we have ever agreed on.
Geo V Posted 13 February 2007 Author Posted 13 February 2007 Possibly, but McLaren should wait to see whether Owen makes a successful scoring return for the toon before reinstating him to the England squad. I`d be happy to just see him match-fit as Im not too bothered in him having to prove he can score. If he is fit, get him in as he will lift his team mates and will scare the opponents. He is a long way short of match fitness but something tells me that Newcastle will either arrange private friendlies or will play him in the reserves to get him ready!
Lord Nibblington Posted 13 February 2007 Posted 13 February 2007 I think Michael Owen has been overated a touch over the last few years. However, he's still bloody good at what he does, and if he can regain match fitness, I'd say him and Rooney would be our preferred front two.
Geo V Posted 14 February 2007 Author Posted 14 February 2007 I think Michael Owen has been overated a touch over the last few years. However, he's still bloody good at what he does, and if he can regain match fitness, I'd say him and Rooney would be our preferred front two. He may not have the silky skills of Rooney or Ronaldo but he is a great goal-scorer if not a scorer of great goals. I think we miss him more than we believe!
lildave3 Posted 14 February 2007 Posted 14 February 2007 He may not have the silky skills of Rooney or Ronaldo but he is a great goal-scorer if not a scorer of great goals. I think we miss him more than we believe! Of course we do. The only players like him are Defoe and Bent, and although both are quality players, they're not as good as Owen. There's a reason Owen broke onto the scene so young, it's because he's so damn good.
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