Floating Fox Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 Most readers will know that AFC have been excessively punished for what is little more than an administrative error. "As a result of playing Jermaine Darlington without securing international clearance for him despite his previous club, Cardiff City, playing in the English football league, AFC W have been thrown out of the FA Trophy (and been forced to return prize money of £12000) and, in an even more draconian move, been deducted 18 league points thereby effectively terminating their prospects of promotion to Conference South. These decisions were taken and implemented by that august body, The Ryman League. So disproportionate is the punishment to the crime that 100 MPs-including the PM have signed an Early Day Motion declaring that the punishment is excessive. AFCW themselves have launched a petition on the No. 10 website which some of you may have signed. 10000 signatories-from big and small clubs across Europe- have already put their names to this petition. AFCW have a date with the FA tomorrow in an attempt to get these decisions reversed and may yet seek the ruling of the Courts. For anyone who hasn't signed the petition and wants to show solidarity with a fellow non-league club ( whose original identity and status have already been relocated to the franchise in Milton Keynes) who have been unjustly treated, the address for the petition is http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/wimbledon/ "
Milky Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 The points deduction was reduced to just 3 points yesterday, so it's not that bad anymore.
Floating Fox Posted 27 March 2007 Author Posted 27 March 2007 The points deduction was reduced to just 3 points yesterday, so it's not that bad anymore. Any link mate?
lildave3 Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 Any link mate? Get with the times Andy, it was all over SSN yesterday
Milky Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 Get with the times Andy, it was all over SSN yesterday exactly, get with the times. Monday 26 March 2007club news Punishment reduced The FA appeal hearing has reduced our Ryman League punishment. We have been deducted only 3 points, and fined £400 as per the original punishment. More to follow as soon as possible. from their website
Floating Fox Posted 27 March 2007 Author Posted 27 March 2007 Get with the times Andy, it was all over SSN yesterday Thanks to fooking sky I don't have SSN anymore Complete Wayne-Kerrs, do they have to ruin everythig
Daggers Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 i love afc wimbedon If we don't sign decent players and Kelly doesn't get the boot then I plan on spending an entire season in the away section at MK Dons cheering on every team they play against.
Sods Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 If we don't sign decent players and Kelly doesn't get the boot then I plan on spending an entire season in the away section at MK Dons cheering on every team they play against. good on you, i really do dislike mk dons. Probably because i live near mk and i have a wimbledon afc wimbledon fan. And mk are getting a new ground
Daggers Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 good on you, i really do dislike mk dons. Probably because i live near mk and i have a wimbledon afc wimbledon fan. And mk are getting a new ground I've already written to them enquiring about the possibility of obtaining a season ticket for the away section
BartonFox Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 i love afc wimbedon They are a bunch of self obsessed morons who let their Club die through inactivity and milking the Premier League cow and then wanted the rest of us to feel sorry for them. They can stay festering in the non league world and long may MK Dons rise up the leagues. Well done to the 200 or so real Dons who stayed with their Club
Daggers Posted 27 March 2007 Posted 27 March 2007 Well done to the 200 or so real Dons who stayed with their Club Absolute cock. There's hardly a thing I disagree with you on BF...but this bastard of a club has no right to exist. It is a franchise operation, an off-the-shelf club purchase at the expense of others right to the place in the league. You may be right about AFCW...but 'The Dons' should be wiped from the face of football.
Jordan Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 They are a bunch of self obsessed morons who let their Club die through inactivity and milking the Premier League cow and then wanted the rest of us to feel sorry for them. They can stay festering in the non league world and long may MK Dons rise up the leagues. Well done to the 200 or so real Dons who stayed with their Club I think it's nice that there's a club that's run by its own fans moving its way up the pyramid. However--and I'm sorry that I'm hijacking this thread--whenever the AFCW/MK Dons topic arises, BartonFox is the only one hitting the nail on the head. I used to be 100% in support of AFCW and very critical of "Franchise," but now, I find the AFCW fans to be sanctimonious pricks. When they were originally given their points deduction, even a local politician made a public statement criticizing the decision--and, of course, just had to mention that "the football authorities should never have allowed their club to move to Milton Keynes in the first place" (FYI it's 2007, not 2004). DD's "bastard of a club" label is also wrong. Wimbledon was heading further into mess each day they were renting Selhurst Park, perhaps only being sustained by the halcyon days of its recent past. The club's move to MK, despite the early growing pains, made perfect business sense and the FA and government had the smarts to agree despite all of the negativity surrounding the proposed move. Business failures happen all the time, but when a high-profile business collapses and fails, it has an awful effect on the market--that's why the laws promote the recovery of struggling companies. It's the same reasoning that allowed Leicester City to gain amnesty on a lot of its debts upon being sold to new ownership when it was in administration. MK Dons is no more of a bastard club than Wimbledon playing at a rival's stadium was a grotesque club. If Wimbledon weren't a football club, nobody would have made a big fuss. If the Little Company That Could (a true rags-to-riches story) were suddenly forced to abandon its headquarters and rent new space owned by one of its biggest rivals at exorbitant rates and then fall into huge debt... but then find new ownership to rescue it from likely death and give it hope for a resurrection, there'd be no controversy--hell, it might actually get a little damn sympathy from the public. Ya know, the Wimbledon ownership could have moved the club to an entirely different country and perhaps made even more money doing so, but they moved it to a London exurb.
Daggers Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 If Wimbledon were to die for whatever reason then that would have been fine enough - but Milton Keynes took it upon themselves to buy a franchise slot in the Football League. This was not the merger of two clubs (Rushden Town and Irtlingborough Diamonds for example) - this was for all intents and purposes and brand new club being formed in an unrelated City at the expense of clubs being able to obtain the position by virtue of historically campaigning to achieve it. When I was at Jaguar the other week I did not notice 5,000 people cheering on the production line staff - analogies placing the old Dons as a simple business salvation and relocation betray the heritage embued in every club across the country. Football is more than business, it is feelings, emotions, opinions and hope; Wimbledon died...for some Frankenstein monster to be born in the Land of Roundabouts. I'm not 'in favour' of AFCW - I simply refuse to accept MKD have a right to exist in the league until they start at the bottom and work their way up.
Jordan Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 If Wimbledon were to die for whatever reason then that would have been fine enough - but Milton Keynes took it upon themselves to buy a franchise slot in the Football League. ... I'm not 'in favour' of AFCW - I simply refuse to accept MKD have a right to exist in the league until they start at the bottom and work their way up. ...Why should MKD's playing staff, coaching staff, board of directors and the fans that stuck with the club (although there aren't that many of them) have to start over just because they moved to a different city?
Sods Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 Right he is my view on the situation. I really don't like mk dons as i don't like their chairmen as i think he is a complete arsehole. How he took away the club of wimbledon fc. I also don't like the fact as i live near Mk that the fans couldn't tell you who wimbledon were. Then they have this new ground all of suddern. I don't mind the few hundred fans that stayed with the club and i admire them but its afc wimbledon for me
Fez of Mahrez Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 Right he is my view on the situation. I really don't like mk dons as i don't like their chairmen as i think he is a complete arsehole. How he took away the club of wimbledon fc. I also don't like the fact as i live near Mk that the fans couldn't tell you who wimbledon were. Then they have this new ground all of suddern. I don't mind the few hundred fans that stayed with the club and i admire them but its afc wimbledon for me Exactly. Not the most popular club in Northamptonshire.
Daggers Posted 28 March 2007 Posted 28 March 2007 ...Why should MKD's playing staff, coaching staff, board of directors and the fans that stuck with the club (although there aren't that many of them) have to start over just because they moved to a different city? Why shouldn't they? What makes them so special? Why should they be allowed to form a new football team and take the place of those that have been waiting for years? Just because there would be unemployed players and staff doesn't legitimise Milton Keynes buying a place in the Football League.
Jordan Posted 29 March 2007 Posted 29 March 2007 Why shouldn't they? What makes them so special? Why should they be allowed to form a new football team and take the place of those that have been waiting for years? Just because there would be unemployed players and staff doesn't legitimise Milton Keynes buying a place in the Football League. They didn't form a new football team. They just moved.
Daggers Posted 29 March 2007 Posted 29 March 2007 They didn't form a new football team. They just moved. Well I am looking at the League table now - and I see no mention of them. I can find an MK Dons but I'm stuffed if I can find any reference to Wimbledon.
Jordan Posted 29 March 2007 Posted 29 March 2007 I don't see Woolwich Arsenal, either. sigh This is going nowhere. Let's just agree to disagree.
BartonFox Posted 29 March 2007 Posted 29 March 2007 Why shouldn't they? What makes them so special? Why should they be allowed to form a new football team and take the place of those that have been waiting for years? Just because there would be unemployed players and staff doesn't legitimise Milton Keynes buying a place in the Football League. Dave, MK didn't buy a place in the FL, they offered a member Club the opportunity to survive otherwise they would have gone bust and one of the best stories of the modern era would have been ended out right. Don't be taken in by the fact that Merton wanted a professional football team, they loved the publicity but did nothing to help that Club. The only way the could have survived was by moving, the owners had sought a preferable option in London and were stonewalled all the way, what would you have done? As for the fans and that holier than thou AFCW, you know they moved lock stock into Kingsmeadow, home of Kingstonian FC, bought the ground, leased it back to them and renamed it. To me that spits in the face of their supposed morals etc... What ever happens the Club that won the FA Cup in 1988 still exists because it was offered a home in MK when no one else wanted them and I mean no one else.
Daggers Posted 29 March 2007 Posted 29 March 2007 I get what you are both saying, I understand it but I don't agree with it. As Jordan says, it's agree to disagree time... In 2003, the club relocated sixty miles north to Milton Keynes in Buckinghamshire citing financial reasons, and was relaunched the following year with new club colours and a new badge as Milton Keynes Dons. New badge, new colours, new name and sixty miles from your cultural home = new club in my book and nothing anybody says is going to convince me otherwise. Wimbledon FC is dead and I refuse to recognise the existence of the MK Dons. I couldn't care either way about AFCW.
Floating Fox Posted 29 March 2007 Author Posted 29 March 2007 Barton You tit! You're the first person I've ever come accross that has supported MKDongsFC
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