10p or £50Billion?

[Zingari]

Whether I do or not is besides the point.

You can't go around cherry-picking stats when it suits you and not expect to be picked up on it!

This is a 12% drop in crime since last year are you saying it's just dropped because in the last year 12% more crimes have been unreported?

Edit-sorry 12% drop in last three months of last year

"recorded" crime

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/24/u...amp;feed=uknews

[Head Honcho]

"recorded" crime

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/24/u...amp;feed=uknews

Yes recorded crime it was still recorded crime the last time they were measured.

I doubt unrecorded crime has risen 12% in the same period.

[Rt Hon Percy Longprong]

Cameron refusing to admit that crime has dropped by 12% made me smile on TV today.

Even the interviewer Nick Robinson a former young tory chairman was staggered at his dogged refusal to believe the facts

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You still honestly believe anything they say---------hells teeth !!

[Rt Hon Percy Longprong]

I would vote Lib Dem if I thought they would win, but will prob vote Labour just to make sure the Tory's don't get a seat

Thracian knows that!

Oh, hang on.....

[Daggers]

I doubt unrecorded crime has risen 12% in the same period.

...has to be my favourite FoxesTalk quote in recorded memory

Outstanding

[Thracian]

"recorded" crime

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/24/u...amp;feed=uknews

I'm utterly cynical about the figures even related to recorded crime. So many stats are put out on things like tax and inflation which convey an impression but don't reflect the real truth that I see no real reason to believe these figures are any different.

And even if they did, I fail to see how they are of any great significance if huge numbers of crimes are not recorded and if the "recorded" figures were only achieved through further and ever more draconian laws which curtail peoples freedoms and require ever increased surveillance and intrusion by the State.

[TrickyTrev]

Do you believe them, then?

So much crime goes unreported it makes the figures a joke.

It would certainly have to be some crime for me to report it.

Unfortunately Police come way down the list of people I'd ever trust and with good reason.

Which is why we have two ways of measuring crime. Official police statistics and the british crime survey. The latter asks sample group if they have been victims of crime or observed crime, reported of otherwise. Both show crime is falling, with the exception of violent crime.

[Head Honcho]

...has to be my favourite FoxesTalk quote in recorded memory

Outstanding

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[Thracian]

Whether I do or not is besides the point.

You can't go around cherry-picking stats when it suits you and not expect to be picked up on it!

This is a 12% drop in crime since last year are you saying it's just dropped because in the last year 12% more crimes have been unreported?

Edit-sorry 12% drop in last three months of last year

Unfortunately the stats I quote and the stats which Governments refer to are not really comparable.

There is no reason the Football League would have a vested interest in not recording match statistics like shots/goals/assists accurately and fully.

But political parties are quite different and there are endless examples of quoted statistics not actually telling the full truth - like on inflation and taxation for example.

We as a country are paying higher taxes in reality now than we have ever paid under any previous Government but you don't hear the Labour Party shouting that or even promising to do something about it. Our fuel tax is also higher than any other European country, so I understand.

Even many of Labour's own MP's don't agree with removing the 10p tax threshold which seems almost to rank as indecent for a Government which, first and foremost, is elected to look after working people and the more vulnerable members of our society - or have I so lost touch that I've someone missed the announcement of a change in philosophy?

As for the crime figures, I don't believe the Government has the faintest idea what crimes are being committed in some areas of the country nor do the Police want to get involved.

[Ultra]

This is the worst period for politics, since I was born, this country has ever known.

Woeful, the lot of them.

Yeah, let's bring back Maggie and Kinnock!

The 80s was such a golden age, wasn't it?

[Ultra]

I'm not sure you shouldn't "declare an interest" on this one.

As I don't live in London, I don't need to, although I have supported Livingstone in both his previous campaigns, not just the one where he stood for Labour.

Although he was well wound up after the last election, when he read a magazine article by me suggesting his majority should have been bigger.

He'll probably be grateful for any majority at all this time around..