Sib Dogg Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 Hello again, Last week I discussed the defensive options in the 4-2-3-1 system, and the necessary squad requirements. The strongest defence is this imo: Weale Morrison Tunchev Hobbs Berner Wellens Moreno Cover is provided by Logan, Lamey, Vitor and Kennedy. Meaning that we need to bring in an experienced centre back and a young holding midfielder. Now the attack, or the '3-1' of the 4-2-3-1... Again I believe that there has to be a mix between youth and experience that Pearson had when he was here. This is how I see it... RW: Campbell (old), Gallagher (young) ACM: King (young), ??? LW: Dyer (old), N'Guessan (young) CF: ???, Howard (old) Signings that are required are an experienced attacking central midfielder to keep KIng on his toes and a young, big, powerful and pacy centre forward. I would suggest the midfielder being a wages signing and the forward being a sizeable transfer fee. I mentioned in my earler post that Wellens is irreplaceable in this system. If he was to get injured though, I would move to 4-4-2 changing Campbell to a striker and retaining Fryatt to compete with him. I would therefore also retain Oakley to cover for Campbell as the experienced RW. I have not yet mentioned Moussa or Crncic... This is because at this stage it is difficult to judge them or even whether they will be involved this season. The lone striker is the one I'll finish on. People will ask 'Why not Campbell or Fryatt for this position?'. In my opinion, this position requires height and strength. To hold the ball up (I know Fryatt can do this) and to win the occasional long ball that will be played no matter what the style of play is. Howard is a good back up but we need someone young who can get 20/25 goals too. Maybe Crncic, maybe even Gally, but I think a new big signing is the answer... Let me know your thoughts.
lcfcbradyboy Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 To be honest i dont think Morrison will play RB again. I think Lamey is our best choice there and i think Tunchev wont be as good when he comes back. So i would love to see Vitor there and maybe Moreno in CM or DM role. I think Wellens and king are our strongest central midfielders. And love to see Gallagher start more with Campbell and Fryatt. Then Howard or Crncic for cover and Moussa played well against Burnley and ive not rated Oakley yet this season. so i think this would be good: GK) Weale RB) Lamey CB) Hobbs CB) Vitor LB) Berner CDM) Moreno CM) Wellens CM) King RW) Campbell LW) Gallagher ST) Fryatt Sub1: Logan Sub2: Neilson Sub3: Morrison Sub4: Moussa Sub5: N'Guessan Sub6: Dyer Sub7: Howard or Crncic (love to see crncic play because hes young and tall like howard)
hackneyfox Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 Campbell doesn't appear to like playing on the wing, force him to play there and he'll sulk. LW: Dyer (old), N'Guessan (young) N'Guessan should be taken out and shot. Dyer looks good but there isn't enough final product to warrant playing him in the team permanently. GK) Weale Reserve goalie at best RB) Lamey CB) Hobbs CB) Vitor LB) Berner Getting too old/slow CDM) Moreno CM) Wellens CM) King RW) Campbell Jury still out on him but personally I'd sell him LW) Gallagher ST) Fryatt Sell Sub1: Logan Sell Sub2: Neilson Sell Sub3: Morrison Sell Sub4: Moussa Sub5: N'Guessan Shoot Sub6: Dyer Sell Sub7: Howard Sell
Joe. Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 It's simple really, playing the formation we're currently employing will not suit Fryatt or Campbell when they're both fit. Neither of them are wingers, but Campbell is being asked to play as a winger which is a complete waste of his abilities. It's easier for N'Guessan because he's far more suited to the position, but if we want to score goals we've got to get the best out of the best. Saturday was clear to see that the front three were playing miles apart from each other, which made Howard's job almost impossible. The principles of a 4-2-3-1 formation are nice on the surface, but until the "wide men" are allowed more freedom to run on past Howard rather than hug the touchline then we'll get nowhere.
The Doctor Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 Campbell doesn't appear to like playing on the wing, force him to play there and he'll sulk. LW: Dyer (old), N'Guessan (young) N'Guessan should be taken out and shot. Dyer looks good but there isn't enough final product to warrant playing him in the team permanently. GK) Weale Reserve goalie at best RB) Lamey CB) Hobbs CB) Vitor LB) Berner Getting too old/slow CDM) Moreno CM) Wellens CM) King RW) Campbell Jury still out on him but personally I'd sell him LW) Gallagher ST) Fryatt Sell Sub1: Logan Sell Sub2: Neilson Sell Sub3: Morrison Sell Sub4: Moussa Sub5: N'Guessan Shoot Sub6: Dyer Sell Sub7: Howard Sell so you'd sell a player who's scored 40+ goals in two seasons, our only keeper with any first team experience should weale get injured and two of our best performers so far this season in neilson and dyer. Who do we replace them with then?
marbelladave Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 It's simple really, playing the formation we're currently employing will not suit Fryatt or Campbell when they're both fit. Neither of them are wingers, but Campbell is being asked to play as a winger which is a complete waste of his abilities. It's easier for N'Guessan because he's far more suited to the position, but if we want to score goals we've got to get the best out of the best. Saturday was clear to see that the front three were playing miles apart from each other, which made Howard's job almost impossible. The principles of a 4-2-3-1 formation are nice on the surface, but until the "wide men" are allowed more freedom to run on past Howard rather than hug the touchline then we'll get nowhere. Hang on a minute..... On saturday we played 4-5-1, 4-3-3 on the few occasions we pressed forward. In this formation it is the job of the wide men to get forward and support the central striker, not stay wide, this creates space for the fullbacks to provide the width, as they push forward it is the job of the midfield to cover the gaps. Neilson does a decent job of getting forward but lacks positional awareness and pace, he's not awful, this season anyway, but he is not great, Berner on the other hand is just slow, seemingly much slower than last season, hope that is just a fitness issue... The result is that we do not do enough in wide positions, Dj and Dyer/DN'G are asked to provide the width and that is not what they are there for, it leaves Howard unsupported and, pretty much useless. As was pointed out earlier 4-2-3-1 requires 2 holding players and for me this has to be Moreno and King, no argument. Further forward is a bit more difficult, Gallagher strikes me as the obvious option to play in the hole, surrounded by pace. Dyer looks good on the right, DN'G, Fryatt and DJ can all play from the right depending on who you want to lead the line again chosen from the same 3 players. Moussa looked useful the other day but, as yet, I have no idea where he would best fit in. So the selection I would be looking towards is (I know there are fitness issues); Weale Lamey--Hobbs--Vitor--KennedyMoreno--KingDyer--Gallagher--CampbellN'Guessan DJ and Dyer need to get close to the front man and DN'G and DJ can swap positions at will, width comes from fulback...
hackneyfox Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 Better players. I keep saying, I'm not a scout, I don't see hundreds of games a season but I do know that Dyer isn't that great, there is better around and the same applies with Neilson. This idea that just because someone has had a couple of decent games that they can't be improved upon is ridiculous. I want new goalies, ideally two of them, so yes (shock, horror) in an ideal world I'd sell both of ours. I'm not sure Fryatt is up to being a lone striker, so I'd sell him as well (and DJ & Howard) to raise the cast to buy two good strikers. Sousa wants to play football on the ground, well this squad hasn't done it in 2 seasons, out of the squad above who do you think can actually play fast, attacking football on the ground. For me RB) Lamey Hopefully CB) Hobbs Hopefully CB) Vitor Apparently CDM) Moreno CM) Wellens Hopefully CM) King LW) Gallagher Sub4: Moussa Hopefully
hackneyfox Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 other day but, as yet, I have no idea where he would best fit in. So the selection I would be looking towards is (I know there are fitness issues); Weale Lamey--Hobbs--Vitor--KennedyMoreno--KingDyer--Gallagher--CampbellN'Guessan DJ and Dyer need to get close to the front man and DN'G and DJ can swap positions at will, width comes from fulback... N'Guessan has hardly had a decent game since he joined the club. Dyer as I've said is over rated. Campbell wants to be the main striker.
Bettsj2 Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 N'Guessan has hardly had a decent game since he joined the club. Dyer as I've said is over rated. Campbell wants to be the main striker. In an ideal world Weale Lamey Hobbs Vitor Kennedy Moreno Moussa Gallagher Dyer Campbell Just batter teams with pace and movement.
Joe. Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 Hang on a minute..... On saturday we played 4-5-1, 4-3-3 on the few occasions we pressed forward. In this formation it is the job of the wide men to get forward and support the central striker, not stay wide, this creates space for the fullbacks to provide the width, as they push forward it is the job of the midfield to cover the gaps. Neilson does a decent job of getting forward but lacks positional awareness and pace, he's not awful, this season anyway, but he is not great, Berner on the other hand is just slow, seemingly much slower than last season, hope that is just a fitness issue... The result is that we do not do enough in wide positions, Dj and Dyer/DN'G are asked to provide the width and that is not what they are there for, it leaves Howard unsupported and, pretty much useless. As was pointed out earlier 4-2-3-1 requires 2 holding players and for me this has to be Moreno and King, no argument. Further forward is a bit more difficult, Gallagher strikes me as the obvious option to play in the hole, surrounded by pace. Dyer looks good on the right, DN'G, Fryatt and DJ can all play from the right depending on who you want to lead the line again chosen from the same 3 players. Moussa looked useful the other day but, as yet, I have no idea where he would best fit in. So the selection I would be looking towards is (I know there are fitness issues); DJ and Dyer need to get close to the front man and DN'G and DJ can swap positions at will, width comes from fulback... I'm confused - you disagreed with my post but is that not exactly what I said? Or was trying to anyway...
marbelladave Posted 24 August 2010 Posted 24 August 2010 N'Guessan has hardly had a decent game since he joined the club. Dyer as I've said is over rated. Campbell wants to be the main striker. In order; N'Guessan looks like he could be an effective target man, quicker than Howard and more of a goal threat, I would give it a try. Dyer has been our most effective forward so far, really missed him at Burnley. DJ has looked decent cutting in from the left, was poor on saturday but appeared to be under instruction to play wide right, not good. As I said I would like DJ and DN'G to swap positions from time to time, they provide different threats and allows both players to try different things. In an ideal world Weale Lamey Hobbs Vitor Kennedy Moreno Moussa Gallagher Dyer Campbell Just batter teams with pace and movement. Easier to 'just batter' the opposition if you field a full 11... Pop King alongside Moreno and get Moussa and Dyer to switch between flanks and I would be happy to give that a go... I'm confused - you disagreed with my post but is that not exactly what I said? Or was trying to anyway... Just trying to make it clear why although DJ might not be a winger, he can play from the left in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. In both set ups the real width comes from the fullbacks, providing of course they have cover from midfield.
Guest NGoloMode Posted 27 August 2010 Posted 27 August 2010 Weale Neilson - Vitor - Hobbs - BernerMoreno - AbeGallagher - King - DyerFryatt
Finnegan Posted 27 August 2010 Posted 27 August 2010 Weale Neilson - Vitor - Hobbs - Berner Moreno - Abe Gallagher - King - Dyer Fryatt I'd like to see Abe roam alone, push Gallagher up behind Fryatt in a '10' position and bring N'Guessan (or Campbell, if he stays) wide. Don't really want to see us play with two holding players. If we sign Abe and he's as competent and as fit as we all hope he is then I think it'd just be negative to play Moreno in there with him. All irrelevant, anyway, unlike Ozwin on FM I'm pretty sure Paulo Sousa makes his tactics without the help of Foxes Talk.
VampLCFC Posted 27 August 2010 Posted 27 August 2010 Weale Neilson - Vitor - Hobbs - Berner Moreno - Abe Gallagher - King - Dyer Fryatt Vitor is injured Abe will not have all the relevant work permits and international clearance yet, let alone had time to train with the squad Fryatt allegedly put in a transfer request on Tuesday morning, so who knows if he'll even be in the squad, also apparently struggling with a reoccurring achiles problem Dyer not in squad last Saturday or Tuesday, apparently struggling with a groin strain
Fox You Forest Posted 27 August 2010 Posted 27 August 2010 All irrelevant, anyway, unlike Ozwin on FM I'm pretty sure Paulo Sousa makes his tactics without the help of Foxes Talk. Judging by the injuries though, maybe he adopts the same approach to training schedules as Ozwin.
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