TrickyTrev Posted 8 July 2005 Posted 8 July 2005 I don't have alliagance with any political party, although I can say with all honesty that every other party in British society represent peoples interests better than the BNP.
lush Posted 8 July 2005 Author Posted 8 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev?
Guest Posted 9 July 2005 Posted 9 July 2005 Then who does? 135040[/snapback] The great thing about this nation is the diverse views and opinions held by it's many citizens. This is reflected in the number of political parties one can select when voting. To say that one party represents the feelings of the whole nation would be very simplistic and very, very silly.
Thracian Posted 9 July 2005 Posted 9 July 2005 Then who does? 135040[/snapback] The great thing about this nation is the diverse views and opinions held by it's many citizens. This is reflected in the number of political parties one can select when voting. To say that one party represents the feelings of the whole nation would be very simplistic and very, very silly. 135305[/snapback] What does the British Nationalist Party truly represent?
Thracian Posted 9 July 2005 Posted 9 July 2005 As for your political view expressed above, this proves what a small-minded bigot you are. 135002[/snapback] Where do you get off accussing people of things like intolerance and biggotism without proof? lis you are a disagrace to decent society. Explain to me who DOES then represent the indigenous population, politically? 135021[/snapback] Will you please take care with the quotes when replying? Followers of the BNP are a disgrace to decent society. The BNP do not represent the views of any tolerant and unbigoted person, which includes the indigenous population. By the way Lisa has an 'a' at the end. 135032[/snapback] Are you and Lush secretly in love? Don't worry you can tell us on the forum. We are your friends even ifsome of us may be a little jealous!
Guest Posted 11 July 2005 Posted 11 July 2005 Are you and Lush secretly in love? Don't worry you can tell us on the forum. We are your friends even ifsome of us may be a little jealous! 135502[/snapback] I didn't think you thought so much of Lush!
Thracian Posted 11 July 2005 Posted 11 July 2005 Are you and Lush secretly in love? Don't worry you can tell us on the forum. We are your friends even ifsome of us may be a little jealous! 135502[/snapback] I didn't think you thought so much of Lush! 135944[/snapback]
TrickyTrev Posted 11 July 2005 Posted 11 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody.
Guest Posted 11 July 2005 Posted 11 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Hence them losing deposits all over the place during the election!
lush Posted 12 July 2005 Author Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question?
Guest Posted 12 July 2005 Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] He has.
TrickyTrev Posted 12 July 2005 Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] Okay here is a simple statment for you to understand. All other parties represent the British indegenous population better than the British Nationalist Party BY DEFAULT.
lush Posted 12 July 2005 Author Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] Okay here is a simple statment for you to understand. All other parties represent the British indegenous population better than the British Nationalist Party BY DEFAULT. 136872[/snapback] Ok, why and how?
TrickyTrev Posted 12 July 2005 Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] Okay here is a simple statment for you to understand. All other parties represent the British indegenous population better than the British Nationalist Party BY DEFAULT. 136872[/snapback] Ok, why and how? 136896[/snapback] The British National Party would destroy everything that I love about this country. The tolerant and free society that celebrates divirsity and Individualism. The laid back 'live and let live' approach of the people would be replaced by a culture of greed and hatred. Thats just the social aspects. There economics are a joke, the country would fall on its knees without immigration. Well over a third of NHS employees are immigrants and migration accounts for 1.6% of growth per annum.
lush Posted 12 July 2005 Author Posted 12 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] Okay here is a simple statment for you to understand. All other parties represent the British indegenous population better than the British Nationalist Party BY DEFAULT. 136872[/snapback] Ok, why and how? 136896[/snapback] The British National Party would destroy everything that I love about this country. The tolerant and free society that celebrates divirsity and Individualism. The laid back 'live and let live' approach of the people would be replaced by a culture of greed and hatred. Thats just the social aspects. There economics are a joke, the country would fall on its knees without immigration. Well over a third of NHS employees are immigrants and migration accounts for 1.6% of growth per annum. 136915[/snapback] Diversity means we can all enjoy our own beliefs, new lab, cons etc want to destroy the bnp, how can they be any different to the bnp? Labour are destroying free speech, how can that be representing our democratic rights? Labour encourage all faiths to `get along`, how can the christians accept anti christian slaughter of sheep for halal meat? How can we have a religion (Islam) that says `fight those of the unbelievers` (christians, hindus, sikh`s etc) but labour seem to think thats ok. Greed and hatred is something new labour and conservatives love, whats the difference? Hmm why do we steel the best doctors and nurses from third world countries, then wonder why theres millions in poverty, good one labour. If we paid a suitable salary, we wouldnt need immigrants. Theres 3 million unemployed, train them? The bnp are proud of their indigenous status, new labour isnt. Example, tony ben was on question time only 2 weeks ago, and the question was something like, are you proud that we fought in a war so you could retain and be proud of your English way of life? Just like the marxist anti indigenous fvck up he is, he shyed away 2 times from saying yes, instead opting for the view that `war is bad`.
TrickyTrev Posted 12 July 2005 Posted 12 July 2005 How can we have a religion (Islam) that says `fight those of the unbelievers` (christians, hindus, sikh`s etc) but labour seem to think thats ok Are you bonkers? None of the major parties think terrorim is okay. Nobody but a few mindless idots think that it is okay. They just don't believe that racism is the best way to tackle hatred. It lowers yourself to their level. Labour are destroying free speech, how can that be representing our democratic rights? I agree that cetain laws being proposed are too much of a hinderence on free speech, not that I believe in the principle itself. I just don't see how a party that attacks a religious belief and different culture can be one of freedom. Diversity means we can all enjoy our own beliefs, new lab, cons etc want to destroy the bnp, how can they be any different to the bnp? The BNP are allowed to campaign and they were given a party political broardcast during the general election. Ofcourse they don't want their message to be taken seriously, it is one of hate that could cause mass social division in this country. Labour encourage all faiths to `get along`, how can the christians accept anti christian slaughter of sheep for halal meat? This is not Islam Vs Christianity. This is a few insane ####s against everybody else. It was far from just Christians that died in london on Thursday, peple of all faiths and creeds were caught up in the blasts. Hmm why do we steel the best doctors and nurses from third world countries, then wonder why theres millions in poverty, good one labour.If we paid a suitable salary, we wouldnt need immigrants. I agree we should be wary of importing doctors from developing countries but what about the workers from other places such as Japan and America. Non-Professional African labour also allows migrants to earn money in this country and send it back home. This can aid the development in foreign countries. We shoudl pay our professionals a lot better in this country but you don't strike me as a socialist? Theres 3 million unemployed, train them?It is generally accepted that in any economy atleast 1% of the labour force will be unemployed for reason such as no motivation to do so or being in between jobs. We are very close to full employment by standard economic calculations and measures.I don't know what gives you the impression that the government does not have the desire to retain the dault population. It is an area of education that has expanded greatly and has ben heavily funded. Have you not seen the TV campaign for adult learning with the goblins? As for why an economhy needs immigration when it is close to full employment, like we are, it is again explained by economics theory. Aggregate Supply can not expand without an increase in the labour force. Without an expansion of the labour force and AS, an increase in aggregate demand would just greate a rise in price/inflation. Without immigration an econimy would either have to stagnate or suffer from hyper inflation. (I hope I have expained this properly, but believe me there is a need for immigration in any economy especially an aging oen such as ours) The bnp are proud of their indigenous status, new labour isnt. Labour attempt to represent all Briitsh citizens the BNP represent a minority of the indegenous population Example, tony ben was on question time only 2 weeks ago, and the question was something like, are you proud that we fought in a war so you could retain and be proud of your English way of life?Just like the marxist anti indigenous fvck up he is, he shyed away 2 times from saying yes, instead opting for the view that `war is bad`. Tony Benn has devoted his life to trying to improve the state of this country. There is nothing more patriotic than that. I saw the show you were watching and his point was not that he was not proud that we defeated fascism but that It was that we defeated Fascism not Germany. Many people died to protect us from haters such as the BNP, that is patriotism and a true love of what is best for your country. His point about being saddenned by war was a fair one. The celebrations of our victory at Trafalgur were pathetic. War is invariably a tragedy and should be treated as such.
lush Posted 12 July 2005 Author Posted 12 July 2005 None of the major parties think terrorim is okay. Nobody but a few mindless idots think that it is okay. So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace They just don't believe that racism is the best way to tackle hatred. It lowers yourself to their level You mean the bnp are racist. Ive thought that, but i cant remember where it says they are. Sure, they must`ve behaved so, but then labour behave racistly and openly too. I`ll give you an example of labours racist attitudes. We have a black and asian police and teachers associations, we dont have white ones. WE, and i mean the tax payer funds the CRE, tell me one person thats white and works for the cre (with any real power)? I just don't see how a party that attacks a religious belief and different culture can be one of freedom Thats the whole point of freedom of speech. Your referring to the arrests. How would you like it, if you were arrested for giving your opinion in a private function or castle? Its ridiculous. Soon we will not be able to give our opinion in our OWN gaff. The BNP are allowed to campaign and they were given a party political broardcast during the general election. Ofcourse they don't want their message to be taken seriously, it is one of hate that could cause mass social division in this country But new labour breed hate, whats the difference? You dont see labour raiding the homes of conservative candidates without just cause, or arresting charles kennedy for having an opinion in private? You dont see labour bringing down the ukip website or funding `searchlight` to attack the green party, but they did to the bnp. Im not saying the bnp are saints, no political party is, im just showing you that theres no difference between ALL political parties. What you hear and see, is what lab con lib want you to see, unless you ask enough questions and dont get answers? This is not Islam Vs Christianity But Islam teaches the anti christian slaughter of sheep meat. How can that be `faiths getting along`? Non-Professional African labour also allows migrants to earn money in this country and send it back home. This can aid the development in foreign countries You must be gordon browns speech writter We shoudl pay our professionals a lot better in this country but you don't strike me as a socialist? Whats wrong with socialism? I dont know i am, i just believe in fair play. I hope I have expained this properly, but believe me there is a need for immigration in any economy especially an aging oen such as ours Did we need them when we didnt need them, no, so we can do without them like before. Labour attempt to represent all Briitsh citizens the BNP represent a minority of the indegenous population Labour fail to represent all british citizens, because like the slaughter of sheep, you cannot please lots of faiths all at the same time. The reason their in power, is because they played on folks emotional strings. They say, we`ll make a multicultural britian work, we had riots. They say, we`ll defend `our way of life` by attacking and murdering innocent people in Iraq, the Iraqis muder us. They say, like you`ve stated that they represent the indigenous peoples, and then they seek to destroy freedom of speech that the indigenous people fought in wars to protect. Tony Benn has devoted his life to trying to improve the state of this country. There is nothing more patriotic than that Why wasnt he proud to speak English by winning the war then? I saw the show you were watching and his point was not that he was not proud that we defeated fascism but that It was that we defeated Fascism not Germany. Many people died to protect us from haters such as the BNP, that is patriotism and a true love of what is best for your country No, he was glad that we defeated ideology that he didnt like, he is a fascist, weve never defeated fascism, it belongs to all political persuassions. Tony ben and hios marxist liberals HATE patriotism. You are so naive on that dude.
Thracian Posted 13 July 2005 Posted 13 July 2005 In what way do they represent the indigenous population more than the BNP, trickytrev? 135066[/snapback] I am still quietly confident that that the majority of the British population aren't best represented by hatred and that there are many more important things than race to be represented on. As the BNP are essentially a single issue party, and a not very important one at that, they completely fail to represent the interest of anybody. 136248[/snapback] Anychance you could answer the question? 136854[/snapback] Okay here is a simple statment for you to understand. All other parties represent the British indegenous population better than the British Nationalist Party BY DEFAULT. 136872[/snapback] Ok, why and how? 136896[/snapback] The British National Party would destroy everything that I love about this country. The tolerant and free society that celebrates divirsity and Individualism. The laid back 'live and let live' approach of the people would be replaced by a culture of greed and hatred. Thats just the social aspects. There economics are a joke, the country would fall on its knees without immigration. Well over a third of NHS employees are immigrants and migration accounts for 1.6% of growth per annum. 136915[/snapback] And how are the Muslims affecting our tolerant and free society and the economy?. It's funny. Lunchtime television gave them yet another platform for propaganda even before the London bombing victims have been buried. Could anything be more indecent (apart from Charles Clarke still being in a job). And. of course, they did not ask their Muslim guests how much the killing and maiming of women and other young innocents, of office workers and carers, of hospital staff and public servants - and all in the name of Islam - would actually affect our tolerance, our freedom to move about safely and our economics. Didn't even ask for an estimate of what this latest atrocity might cost in money, in shattered lives, in ruined families, in police and emergency service time, in loss of freedoms etc, etc, etc. Before you talk about the BNP which hardly raises a whisper in the UK (because English people really do stand and will probably always stand for decent and racially inclusive values) why not talk about what is really destroying the bonhomie of a nation you claim to love so much. You obviously dislike what the BNP stands for. Would you prefer to stand for a religion whose followers wallow in the public obliteration of defenceless girls, old ladies, non-combatant general workers, weary and handicapped old men, tourists and even their own kind? I remember visiting Cobridge in Stoke on Trent a few months back where there was a dispute over the raising of a Union Jack (can you imagine). Across a bridge on the main road into Cobridge was an Arabic slogan... "You might have your flag but we've got your country." And they were right because Islamic people have occupied our cities and town far more permanently than any of the armies they complain about. Yet why does the wail go up about the occupation of "Arab lands" when Islamic supporters make permanent and political occupation an art form? And still the television people give them an ever higher platform. Time to reconsider your priorities in my view. If you doubt me ask yourself the following question: Do BNP party members, Hindu's, Catholics, Rastafarians, Jews, Conservatives, Monster Raving Loony Party members, Jesuits, New Age Travellers, Hells Angels, Mods, Rockers, Football Fans and any other organisation you could name really put the security and well-being of our nation at risk. Then ask: Do Muslims and/or Islamic Fundamentalists put the security and well-being of our nation at risk?. I truly don't know your answer but certainly look forward to reading it and I would love the television people (who, like the Government are supposed to have our welfare at heart) to ask the same question of their lunchtime guests. Of course, not all Muslims like what extremists do in the name of Islam. Many Muslims are truly decent, hard-working, God-fearing, moral, kind, helpful and well-mannered people who believe the Holy word of Islam has been misinterpreted and dragged through the gutter. They are the sort of people I would happily honour as neighbours and who could teach US a great deal . But, by the same token, many Germans did not like what the Nazis stood for but went along with it and bent or swayed according to how the wind blew. Did such people appear on lunchtime television yesterday?. Only they could truly answer that and I certainly wouldn't wish to guess. But I would say this. As I understand it, Muslims are bound to promote and seek converts to their religion and yet, with so many decapitated limbs of the innocent still waiting to be re-united with the bodies they belonged to, I wonder that any Muslim would not be ashamed to remain associated with what his religion has come to represent. . It may be, of course, that one day the youngsters lured into a life of terror, (and those who brainwash them unforgivably with hatred) will have to face the wrath of the God they supposedly fear for so blatantly misrepresenting his word. But for now, and with so many bodies of undeniably innocent people lying on the soil of England, you want to think about what really threatens our country. Cos it certainly isn't the BNP. PS: Before you wrap me in the wrong paper I do not vote BNP and I do not believe Tony Blair has a justifiable mandate for being in Iraq or Afghanistan (whether he is trying to give them true democracy or not). Apart from the legal considerations, the Commandments say: Thou Shalt Not Kill and Blair of the forked tongue is supposedly a Christian. It does not say Thou Shalt Not Kill unless it happens to be convenient. Both Blair and the Muslim Fundamentalists might think hard about this.
Guest Posted 13 July 2005 Posted 13 July 2005 So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace 137046[/snapback] Of course, the Bible isn't just as guilty of such inflammatory statements....
lush Posted 13 July 2005 Author Posted 13 July 2005 You obviously dislike what the BNP stands for. Would you prefer to stand for a religion whose followers wallow in the public obliteration of defenceless girls, old ladies, non-combatant general workers, weary and handicapped old men, tourists and even their own kind? The Qur’an shows that it is lawful to rape the women they capture in warfare: “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives … and those whom thy right (sword) hand possesses of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee.†[33:50]. “Married women are forbidden to you except the captives your sword hand possesses.†[4:24] Basicly, use your Islamic right arm like a sword to capture a woman you (a man) want. No wonder muslim women dress accordingly "Men are in charge of women ... good women are obedient … ... from those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and scourge them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." [4:34] Islam, peace I remember visiting Cobridge in Stoke on Trent a few months back where there was a dispute over the raising of a Union Jack (can you imagine). Will be illegal to dispute Islam soon, better get these quotes in quick Across a bridge on the main road into Cobridge was an Arabic slogan... "You might have your flag but we've got your country." And they were right because Islamic people have occupied our cities and town far more permanently than any of the armies they complain about. "Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers." [48:29] “Slay the pagans wherever ye find them…â€Â.[9:5] And still the television people give them an ever higher platform. Hmm, i consider myself or pagan nature in spiritual terms, so come on you muslim people who go by your leaders words, attack me? Attack the western world which once was 90% pagan (until the christians murdered us too), were waiting for you!! If you doubt me ask yourself the following question: Do BNP party members, Hindu's, Catholics, Rastafarians, Jews, Conservatives, Monster Raving Loony Party members, Jesuits, New Age Travellers, Hells Angels, Mods, Rockers, Football Fans and any other organisation you could name really put the security and well-being of our nation at risk. “Fight the unbelievers till they pay the Jizya (heavy tax on non-Muslims) and are subdued.â€Â[9:29] "If they accept Islam, desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [heavy tax on non-Muslims]. … If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them" [sahih Muslim, book 19, no. 4294] "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." Come and get me? I truly don't know your answer but certainly look forward to reading it and I would love the television people (who, like the Government are supposed to have our welfare at heart) to ask the same question of their lunchtime guests. NEVER. But for now, and with so many bodies of undeniably innocent people lying on the soil of England, you want to think about what really threatens our country. Cos it certainly isn't the BNP. When new labour and their liberal chums attack the bnp, its only to make people think that there doing something good. Attacking people is good? Worked for the Islamic murderers last thursday 137064[/snapback]
rossporterlc Posted 13 July 2005 Posted 13 July 2005 surely the views of the BNP should be respected, just because many people believe them to be totally wrong, their views should be repected in the same way that others are.
lush Posted 13 July 2005 Author Posted 13 July 2005 So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace 137046[/snapback] Of course, the Bible isn't just as guilty of such inflammatory statements.... 137078[/snapback] The bible is full of sh!t, religion means defend your ideology from those who dont believe, and by all means attack those who dont believe. christianity has been attacking peoples minds for thousands of years. Example, they tell africans not to wear condoms, 70% of africa has AIDS, the church is a farce. Religion should be publicly banned.
Guest Posted 13 July 2005 Posted 13 July 2005 So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace 137046[/snapback] Of course, the Bible isn't just as guilty of such inflammatory statements.... 137078[/snapback] The bible is full of sh!t, religion means defend your ideology from those who dont believe, and by all means attack those who dont believe. christianity has been attacking peoples minds for thousands of years. Example, they tell africans not to wear condoms, 70% of africa has AIDS, the church is a farce. Religion should be publicly banned. 137348[/snapback] Not all people who follow a religious path are that self-righteous. Surely people should be allowed to believe what they want, as long as they harm noone else, otherwise you're as bad as the extremists.
lush Posted 13 July 2005 Author Posted 13 July 2005 So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace 137046[/snapback] Of course, the Bible isn't just as guilty of such inflammatory statements.... 137078[/snapback] The bible is full of sh!t, religion means defend your ideology from those who dont believe, and by all means attack those who dont believe. christianity has been attacking peoples minds for thousands of years. Example, they tell africans not to wear condoms, 70% of africa has AIDS, the church is a farce. Religion should be publicly banned. 137348[/snapback] Surely people should be allowed to believe what they want, as long as they harm noone else, otherwise you're as bad as the extremists. 137477[/snapback] `believe what they want`, murder? rape? The point is, religion is very bad. We lock people up for believing in strange things, believing in some supernatural god thing is strange, and when people preech strange on our streets, thats bad for society. Its because of the preechings of Islam, that encouraged the murder of more than 50 people. THATS extreme.
Thracian Posted 13 July 2005 Posted 13 July 2005 So when the koran says "Fight those of the Unbelievers who live near to you, and show them how harsh you can be." and "law that orders me to cut off the head of anyone that insults Allah and the Prophet." and “so, do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with the Koran mightilyâ€Â, thats what labour love, peace 137046[/snapback] Of course, the Bible isn't just as guilty of such inflammatory statements.... 137078[/snapback] The bible is full of sh!t, religion means defend your ideology from those who dont believe, and by all means attack those who dont believe. christianity has been attacking peoples minds for thousands of years. Example, they tell africans not to wear condoms, 70% of africa has AIDS, the church is a farce. Religion should be publicly banned. 137348[/snapback] Surely people should be allowed to believe what they want, as long as they harm noone else, otherwise you're as bad as the extremists. 137477[/snapback] `believe what they want`, murder? rape? The point is, religion is very bad. We lock people up for believing in strange things, believing in some supernatural god thing is strange, and when people preech strange on our streets, thats bad for society. Its because of the preechings of Islam, that encouraged the murder of more than 50 people. THATS extreme. 137542[/snapback] Perhaps it's not so much that religion itself is bad as people's interpretation of religious texts and abuse of the texts for their own ends. I don't in any way believe in a supernatural being as "God" but instead believe that God, for want of a better word, is within oneself and is only finite to the extent that a soul might be considered finite. That viewpoint makes my "God" entirely personal and not therefore subject to the preachings of any man-called gathering. Indeed I can see no real point in public religious meetings save to enable preachers, zealots etc opportunity to ingrain THEIR views onto other peoples minds with no heed paid to whether they might be wrong or whether they are seeking to manipulate their followers or listeners into a false, destructive or non-Holy viewpoint and potential mischief. If religion is. truly a private thing, then it has much to answer for over the thousands of years it has gone public. Indeed were I the subject of Holy devotion I would be appalled at the despicable acts committed in my name (presuming I represented the path to a better world).
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