lush Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 So al quieda have confirmed they bombed us today. If blair is so against them, why do we allow such people into our country? Quite frankly, we have a pri minister who is terrorising people in iraq, how can we trust such a terrorist to defend us from other terrorists? Its about time we stood against this state of affairs, and with the olympics to come, England and London in particular is going to be a severe terrorist threat for the next 7 years. Who the hell would wana live in London I fear many people will suffer death over the next 7 years, and all because blair cannot protect them and us.
WereAllFoxed Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Blair is not a terrorist. We have always been a target for terrorism in the last 30-40 years. It isnt fair to not allow any asylum seekers or refugees on the chance that a few may be terrorists, because thats what we'd have to do to stop the few that get through the net. Theres terrorist plans against us every day, most of which are found out and stopped because of our good intelligence and police services. This is just one that they didnt stop. Our country has done amazingly well to get till now without having a major attack.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 ID cards are almost a certainty now! 133659[/snapback] Dont be silly, how is a credit type card going to stop someone making and planting a bomb, to kill innocent people On the morality side of them, you`d actually want a government to take most of your liberty away? no of course not, millions wont bother paying or using them.
shack Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 ID cards are almost a certainty now! 133659[/snapback] Definatly - they're a bit pricy right now, but I'd happily spend £300 for one (going rate at the moment).
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 ID cards are almost a certainty now! 133659[/snapback] Dont be silly, how is a credit type card going to stop someone making and planting a bomb, to kill innocent people On the morality side of them, you`d actually want a government to take most of your liberty away? no of course not, millions wont bother paying or using them. 133695[/snapback] why am i being silly? never said i agreed about them they are high on the governemtns agenda, this can only add to their desire to introduce them
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 Blair is not a terrorist. It isnt fair to not allow any asylum seekers or refugees on the chance that a few may be terrorists, because thats what we'd have to do to stop the few that get through the net. Theres terrorist plans against us every day 133694[/snapback] blair is terrorising innocent people in iraq, YES hes a terrorist. It isnt fair to allow asylum or illegals (of which even the people ```defending``` us dont know how many there is) to kill us. Are you now happy that many innocent people have died, because we allow evil murderers to enter our country? "Theres terrorist plans against us every day" hmm
Katy Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Its not just people entering the country, that is a slightly sweeping statement.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 why am i being silly?never said i agreed about them they are high on the governemtns agenda, this can only add to their desire to introduce them 133697[/snapback] Oh, you didnt mean they would stop people bombing us?
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 how would having id cards take away our liberty? 133702[/snapback] because we will lose the liberty to walk down a street without having to prove who we are.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 Its not just people entering the country, that is a slightly sweeping statement. 133703[/snapback] I never said it was only immigrants/asylums or illegals. Some of these terrorists are probably born muslims here.
WereAllFoxed Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 no we wont. Id cards will just be used when needed. I doubt there will be checkpoints on every street Blair is not a terrorist, the decision on war was controversial yes, but overall we have made a dictatorship into a free country. In 10 years time iraq will be completely changed and have far less problems. Would you rather live under a dictatorship? There are many evil murderers from our country in our country not just from other countrys, and ill think you'll find terrorist plots occur regularly and the reason we never hear about many of them is because they are dealt with.
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 why am i being silly?never said i agreed about them they are high on the governemtns agenda, this can only add to their desire to introduce them 133697[/snapback] Oh, you didnt mean they would stop people bombing us? 133704[/snapback] no, read the statement as it comes ID cards are almost a certainty now! blair want id cards, terroism happens today hence blair is very likely to want them even more now not hard to understand really, i never say i in that
Hitesh Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Blair will definitly push for ID cards now. And i dont mind having ID cards but as long as they have an impact on fighting against terrorism!
Steven Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 ID cards are almost a certainty now! 133659[/snapback] Dont be silly, how is a credit type card going to stop someone making and planting a bomb, to kill innocent people On the morality side of them, you`d actually want a government to take most of your liberty away? no of course not, millions wont bother paying or using them. 133695[/snapback] We have cameras tracking your every movement, we have agencies looking at every email, listening to every call made and now people will say the ID cards are a necessity. Would somebody please explain to me how any of these measures have or will prevent any further attacks. They don't and as such there must be another reason why they are in place or people want to introduce them.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 no we wont. Id cards will just be used when needed. I doubt there will be checkpoints on every streetBlair is not a terrorist, the decision on war was controversial yes, but overall we have made a dictatorship into a free country. In 10 years time iraq will be completely changed and have far less problems. Would you rather live under a dictatorship? There are many evil murderers from our country in our country not just from other countrys, and ill think you'll find terrorist plots occur regularly and the reason we never hear about many of them is because they are dealt with. 133710[/snapback] Oh dear... How are we going to tell who is hear legally or not??? By checking someones i.d card perhaps? Also, you will be fined for not carrying it around with you, 24/7, its ridiculous. YOUR general information can be sold to commercial companies. Has blair ordered troops to invade iraq on the understanding that there will inevitably be casualties? yes we changed a bad dictatorship. Why dont we do that in zimbabwe and the other african nations??? Iraq has oil, oil is decreasing on our planet, we need it to survive the kinda lives we have. In 10 years time, the people of iraq will stick 2 fingers up at us because they`ll need their oil more than us. There are anti globalistic terrorists, the ira, but the islamic rule of law/living means jihad to western europe, and so prodomanently we only fear islamic jihad.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 blair want id cards, terroism happens todayhence blair is very likely to want them even more now not hard to understand really, i never say i in that 133712[/snapback] blair wants i.d cards to controll us, a police state/totalitarian society.
Deathside Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Dont be silly, how is a credit type card going to stop someone making and planting a bomb, to kill innocent people 133695[/snapback] ID cards may not stop someone making and planting a bombBut surely they will help to identify the dead - At £300 a pop they must be bombproof?
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 blair want id cards, terroism happens todayhence blair is very likely to want them even more now not hard to understand really, i never say i in that 133712[/snapback] blair wants i.d cards to controll us, a police state/totalitarian society. 133726[/snapback] yes but ur missing the point, your first response was about me making a personaly comment on introducing id cards, which i never did end of the day, everyone has different opinions, and your not going to change someones opinion no matter how far you argue your case
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 end of the day, everyone has different opinions, and your not going to change someones opinion no matter how far you argue your case 133728[/snapback] If people wana live in a mugabee style country under the rule of new labour, thats upto them, but i shall fight against it. If people dont mind a islamic jihad threat upon their lives, that too is upto them, but i will fight them off. I dont know why these people wana do bad all the time, cant we just live our lives and eventually see city win the premier...why do they feel the need to dictate how we live.
breadandcheese Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Lush, you are a moron who listens to half-truths and supposedly open left-wing protestors who are just as close-minded as the right of politics, whom they detest and denounce. Mr Blair, is not a terrorist in any shape or form. I may despise him, think him a useless prime minister, but his actions are in no way comparable to those of an Al-Qaeda leader. Yes, we bombed and invaded Iraq (wrongly or rightly). However, not once was a British or American soldier instructed to shoot and kill innocent civilians. No such order exists in the British or American military. Yes, by the very nature of war, civilians do get hurt or killed, however, it is not the military's aim to deliberately target and kill them. Indeed, any good commader does his utmost to protect the lives of innnocents. Compare this to today's outrage. The sole purpose of such explosive devices was to target innocent civilians. The bombers were not targetting military positions or bases. No, their express intention was to kill as many people as possible. Remember, a suicide bomber walks onto a bus, looks around, looks the people on the bus in the eye and detonates. This is in no way comparable to a British soldier in a firefight. Yes Lush, there are many terrorist groups in the world today. You named the IRA and the anti-globalists, both of whom I despise. However, at least these two groups have some form of respect for human life. The IRA, however, violent, did not detonate bombs to kill. They detonated bombs to cause destruction and chaos with the cost implications this would have to the economy. It was never their intention to kill innocent people. That is the difference. There is no justification for today, nor no comparison with Tony Blair and our armed forces. The people who commited today's atrocity are evil and need to be rooted out. P.s. ID cards are not the answer. The September 11th bombers all hard the correct ID cards, yet they were able to commit their heinous crimes. I would hope that ID cards are not justified on the back of today's tragedy.
Wilson Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 ID cards won't stop any attack - the scum who did this were probably born here & I think some of you are missing the point of this thread. 45 people have died today (Sky news unconfirmed)
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 If blair is so against them, why do we allow such people into our country? I fear many people will suffer death over the next 7 years, and all because blair cannot protect them and us. 133657[/snapback] Shut up you bloody moron. Allow who into the country? They don't get in with passports stamped "terrorist", or wearing t-shirts saying "I'm a human bomb, don't let me in". If people are determind enough you cannot stop them no matter what you do.
Wilson Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 The IRA, however, violent, did not detonate bombs to kill. They detonated bombs to cause destruction and chaos with the cost implications this would have to the economy. It was never their intention to kill innocent people. That is the difference. 133737[/snapback] They did not detonate bombs to kill? The Brighton bombing? Endless bombings inside Pubs? hmm....
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