Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Agreed the sanctity of human life versus the selfishness of the individual. My own daughter is adopted and has always known so. One day on her birthday I said to her that her birth mum must be thinking of her, she replied " well she did not care about me anyway I've got you and mum to love me" I explained that her birth mum did love her and loved her so much that she did the hardest thing of all and that was to go through with the pregnancy knowing that she was going to give her up for adoption. Of course she was too young for me to also tell her how easy it would have been for her birth mum to have simply gone to the doctors and she would not have been here but she did not yet understand about abortion. Years later she met her birth mum and thanked her for having her and for not taking the easy route of abortion. Her birth mum simply said my darling once you were growing inside of me there was never any question of getting rid of you I could never have lived with myself. I suspect that there are hundreds of thousands of women who have had abortions who now bitterly regret what they did and have to live with it. The one thing I have not read on here is the emotional trauma of abortion , it's all about a womens right and choice it's her body ect well there is a hell of a lot more to it than that. My ex-girlfriend suffers terribly from it, she would do anything to turn back the clock on the decision she made.
FoxyPV Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 No she does not necessarily get left with the baby. Stacks of people want to adopt children and there are other scenarios as well. There is no right and wrong answer to this question no matter how many people seek to press their opinions on others. But with human rights should should come human responsibility and if a woman gets pregnant then she should deliver that child if at all possible because the unborn-but-living foetus should have rights too as well as the mother does and, unlike the mother (in most cases), the baby-to-be didn't have a choice about being conceived. Once born then one would hope the child gets the best care and love possible whoever that may be with. I know a woman who would have aborted her baby-to-be three months ago because the husband had no interest in it or interest in helping look after it. That situation remains the same but the mother's situation has changed so she's decided to have the child now and, whatever happens in the future, the boy-to-be should at least have the chance of a reasonably happy life whether it grows up with its mother for some of the time, all of the time or almost not at all. The issue should be about the sanctity of human life not about personal feelings and no, i don't think it is always as clear cut as I make out in this precised argument. In vast majority of cases, Thracian, she does, regardless of adoption options. People should be more responsible in regards to contraception but, to deny someone option of changing their mind once something has changed is wrong. I'm not advocating that everyone should have an abortion nor use it as a form of contraception. I am saying that the woman's right to choose should remain in tact. It's her body and ultimately her choice. I'm sure there are thousands of people who regret having abortions, but at the time, they thought that was the right choice for them.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 In vast majority of cases, Thracian, she does, regardless of adoption options. People should be more responsible in regards to contraception but, to deny someone option of changing their mind once something has changed is wrong. I'm not advocating that everyone should have an abortion nor use it as a form of contraception. I am saying that the woman's right to choose should remain in tact. It's her body and ultimately her choice. I'm sure there are thousands of people who regret having abortions, but at the time, they thought that was the right choice for them. Trouble is I think ther abortion choice is made far to easy for the women. If they were given proper counciling and made aware or the emotional consequences of killing the child within them I'm sure there would be much less abortions. Yes it is a womens body but she should realise that life has already started to grow within her and what choice does that child have whether to live or die ?
FoxyPV Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Trouble is I think ther abortion choice is made far to easy for the women. If they were given proper counciling and made aware or the emotional consequences of killing the child within them I'm sure there would be much less abortions. Yes it is a womens body but she should realise that life has already started to grow within her and what choice does that child have whether to live or die ? So you want to guilt a woman into not having abortion even though it is right for her, but not right for the collection of cells currently growing in her body? Counsel her on what is going to happen and how she may feel afterwards but let's not the emotionally weighted language you have just done, so you make her feel bad about a choice it is her right to make.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 So you want to guilt a woman into not having abortion even though it is right for her, but not right for the collection of cells currently growing in her body? Counsel her on what is going to happen and how she may feel afterwards but let's not the emotionally weighted language you have just done, so you make her feel bad about a choice it is her right to make. Yes I fully understand the use of language and how adept we humans are of using soft words like " termination " like it's a bus stop, I notice they dont say " termination " of a babys life . The use of soft unweighted words means that there is something to hide. It's like no one calls anything a war anymore it's a " conflict " people who are fighting western troops who have invaded their country are called " insurgents " instead of freedom fighters. Well sorry if the truth hurts but abortion is just another word for killing an unborn child.
FoxyPV Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Yes I fully understand the use of language and how adept we humans are of using soft words like " termination " like it's a bus stop, I notice they dont say " termination " of a babys life . The use of soft unweighted words means that there is something to hide. It's like no one calls anything a war anymore it's a " conflict " people who are fighting western troops who have invaded their country are called " insurgents " instead of freedom fighters. Well sorry if the truth hurts but abortion is just another word for killing an unborn child. It is not a child. It is a foetus. It cannot survive outside of the womb during the period we are talking about.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 It is not a child. It is a foetus. It cannot survive outside of the womb during the period we are talking about. Ah so you like to distance yourself from the fact that it is alive and growing into a human being ? does that make it easier on your concience ? sleep well little one.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Think there is a few people on this forum that should of been an abortion
The Doctor Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Think there is a few people on this forum that should of been an abortion Like those that mix up of & have
Danno Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Yes, I agree that the baby can be aborted if: A) A result of rape B) Harms the mother C) Cases of poverty D) baby is disabled Don't agree with it if you simply get pregnant and decide you don't want it - seems ridiculously self centred, use contraception if you don't want a baby you ******.
Danno Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 I'd also like to add that we should put the pill into the water supplies of Jeremy Kyle contestants
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Yes, I agree that the baby can be aborted if: A) A result of rape B) Harms the mother C) Cases of poverty D) baby is disabled Don't agree with it if you simply get pregnant and decide you don't want it - seems ridiculously self centred, use contraception if you don't want a baby you ******. Contraceptives aren't 100% effective you disabled.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Contraceptives aren't 100% effective you disabled. 15 pints is a good contraceptive for me
The Doctor Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 15 pints is a good contraceptive for me There's a difference between using contraceptives and getting so pissed you can't tell the difference between a woman's ear and vagina
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 There's a difference between using contraceptives and getting so pissed you can't tell the difference between a woman's ear and vagina Any holes a goal
flowwolf Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Think there is a few people on this forum that should of been an abortion The gay ones ?
flowwolf Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Contraceptives aren't 100% effective you disabled. Abortion is.
FoxyPV Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Ah so you like to distance yourself from the fact that it is alive and growing into a human being ? does that make it easier on your concience ? sleep well little one. Belittle me by inference to make your argument. Nice. I would like more children but MsFoxy doesn't. If she got pregnant, we would have an abortion. I'd be upset if it did happen but we've talked it through and have agreed on this course of action.
flowwolf Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Belittle me by inference to make your argument. Nice. I would like more children but MsFoxy doesn't. If she got pregnant, we would have an abortion. I'd be upset if it did happen but we've talked it through and have agreed on this course of action. Very brave of you to tell the world I must say. Oh and what's with the " We " ?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Very brave of you to tell the world I must say. Oh and what's with the " We " ? It can't be denied. You do make a good argument for abortion.
Bryn Posted 7 February 2013 Posted 7 February 2013 Belittle me by inference to make your argument. Nice. I would like more children but MsFoxy doesn't. If she got pregnant, we would have an abortion. I'd be upset if it did happen but we've talked it through and have agreed on this course of action. Can I ask why she does not simply opt for sterilisation? I am also not 100% sure you would get one, as a (presumably) stable couple. It's not a guaranteed thing, you know, there does have to be a medical reason. Granted, that can boil down to "psychological harm", which is extremely subjective and results in it being fairly straightforward in many cases to find two doctors willing to sign off on the abortion, but not guaranteed.
Leicester Piggott Posted 8 February 2013 Posted 8 February 2013 I'm bumping this as there is a right load of co ck being talked today and I reckon this one might be interesting. Here's one - should Goats be allowed to have an abortion? What if its your goat and you don't want it to have a child? Does ownership give you the right to abort? What if you don't want it to abort, but it does? What if you were to have an abortion, would you be comfortable with the goat being involved in some way?
FurtiveFox Posted 8 February 2013 Posted 8 February 2013 There should be compulsory abortion for certain sections of society pending enforced sterilisation. Goats though should have the right to choose. It's humans who are irresponsible.
Leicester Piggott Posted 8 February 2013 Posted 8 February 2013 There should be compulsory abortion for certain sections of society pending enforced sterilisation. Goats though should have the right to choose. It's humans who are irresponsible. Indulge me for a moment. What if the goat is pregnant with a half-goat-half-human monster having been raped by a human? Its only a matter of time until the bestial set get their act together and the weight of the do-gooding nation behind them and have the right to rape their pets. Who has the rights in this scenario? Monster human rapist or shy, retiring, raped goat (goat also does a lot of charity work)?
FurtiveFox Posted 8 February 2013 Posted 8 February 2013 Indulge me for a moment. What if the goat is pregnant with a half-goat-half-human monster having been raped by a human? Its only a matter of time until the bestial set get their act together and the weight of the do-gooding nation behind them and have the right to rape their pets. Who has the rights in this scenario? Monster human rapist or shy, retiring, raped goat (goat also does a lot of charity work)? A difficult question. The goat, particularly in light of her good work in society, should be given all due care. Perhaps as part of that care an abortion should be carried out so she need not be reminded of the horror inflicted upon her. The real monster is the rapist human who should be force fed his own innards and then his remains tossed to a pack of wild pikeys.
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