ADK Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 If that's the case then why are homeless numbers rising? Surely you'd expect a relatively constant number?
MooseBreath Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 If that's the case then why are homeless numbers rising? Surely you'd expect a relatively constant number? Who reports homeless figures?
Zingari Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 You're obviously a very very intelligent and humorous bloke Moosey , but sometimes I struggle to define the line between what is winding up and what is genuine opinion . But maybe thats what you want is it? It probably is more fun that way
MooseBreath Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 I'm not on the wind up. Housing benefit and JSA are just a form or two away from these homeless people. That's a fact, I'm not making it up. Ken himself is a great example, he would be homeless if it wasn't for housing benefit, but he fills in the forms and he's got himself a nice apartment with a new front door and new kitchen for free. He doesn't have any special privileges that homeless people don't. He hasn't done anything to earn it. Any homeless person could have what he has got if they really want it. I have a lot of respect for the people who give up their own time to try and help the homeless, but at the end of the day you can only help those who want to be helped. Ultimately my point is that the ordinary working man need feel no guilt that there are people sleeping rough, his hard works pays for an incredibly generous handout system which is free for anyone to use. I feel as though I have done my bit and resent those who try to make out that because I do earn enough money to afford to pay for ny own accommodation, I am somehow the guilty party and should do more to help others. I've already done enough. These people need to learn to help themselves.
rico Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 the only tramp that was around while i was a kid was Rumweather,think he used to sleep on Humberstone Park
Zingari Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 I'm not on the wind up. Housing benefit and JSA are just a form or two away from these homeless people. That's a fact, I'm not making it up. Ken himself is a great example, he would be homeless if it wasn't for housing benefit, but he fills in the forms and he's got himself a nice apartment with a new front door and new kitchen for free. He doesn't have any special privileges that homeless people don't. He hasn't done anything to earn it. Any homeless person could have what he has got if they really want it. I have a lot of respect for the people who give up their own time to try and help the homeless, but at the end of the day you can only help those who want to be helped. Ultimately my point is that the ordinary working man need feel no guilt that there are people sleeping rough, his hard works pays for an incredibly generous handout system which is free for anyone to use. I feel as though I have done my bit and resent those who try to make out that because I do earn enough money to afford to pay for ny own accommodation, I am somehow the guilty party and should do more to help others. I've already done enough. These people need to learn to help themselves. You do make it sound good , but there are many other factors that come into it. You use Ken as an example , but i'm fairly sure his history would include many years previous that made it possible for him to have his own place. The system we have is merely allowing him to continue. It didn't just hand it to him on a plate. But I do agree with a lot of what you say, and maybe I'm a bit of a softie about these things . Anyway , have you thought about popping in to see about these projects and talk to some of them yourself ? You never know , you might just see things a little differently
OzFox Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 I'm not on the wind up. Housing benefit and JSA are just a form or two away from these homeless people. That's a fact, I'm not making it up. Ken himself is a great example, he would be homeless if it wasn't for housing benefit, but he fills in the forms and he's got himself a nice apartment with a new front door and new kitchen for free. He doesn't have any special privileges that homeless people don't. He hasn't done anything to earn it. Any homeless person could have what he has got if they really want it. I have a lot of respect for the people who give up their own time to try and help the homeless, but at the end of the day you can only help those who want to be helped. Ultimately my point is that the ordinary working man need feel no guilt that there are people sleeping rough, his hard works pays for an incredibly generous handout system which is free for anyone to use. I feel as though I have done my bit and resent those who try to make out that because I do earn enough money to afford to pay for ny own accommodation, I am somehow the guilty party and should do more to help others. I've already done enough. These people need to learn to help themselves. A fair percentage of them have a mental illness (up to 37% depending on whose stats you believe) so I'd imagine these people are unable to help themselves
Zingari Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 the only tramp that was around while i was a kid was Rumweather,think he used to sleep on Humberstone Park I remember him He used to give out racing tips and they were usually pretty good , so i'm not sure why he was homeless . (unless he didn't actually have any money to gamble himself)
Rincewind Posted 24 July 2013 Author Posted 24 July 2013 Just a couple of points. I rent off an Housing Association so the 'free kitchen' is part of the agreement by law (There is probably an housing act covering ithat it is the responsibility of the landlord to keep the property in a condition that is habitable. I am not allowed to make improvements without prior agreement with the landlord. The other point. A new front door for free. This was as a result of vandals and again comes under the agreement took out at the time of signing for the flat. The rent is broke down into sections to include gas appliances maintenance, gardening although a previous neighbour was a keen gardney and because they were on the ground floor looked after the back garden. What suggestions would you make to a woman who has suffered many years of domestic violence whilst trying to raise a family? What about the youth who has suffered sexual abuse and is afraid to go for help as he has been told 'it is his fault' What about the soldier returning from Iraq with hidden psychiatric problems? The previous link was an advisory sheet to prevent people becoming homeless. It is no good saying afterwards you should have done this. Help needs to be there before it happens and if people cannot find that help the situation gets worse. I am not saying hand out money willy nilly to people on the street or rough sleeping just to make sure they have a safe place to go. It will not a woman that has been a victim of violence to be put into a place where she fears for her safety because of the other residents and a landlord that just cares about the rent.
rico Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 I remember him He used to give out racing tips and they were usually pretty good , so i'm not sure why he was homeless . (unless he didn't actually have any money to gamble himself) we used to think he carried all his money around in his suitcase,sound ridiculous now
Rincewind Posted 24 July 2013 Author Posted 24 July 2013 Tomorrow the council votes on the latest round of housing strategy. There will be a live phone in from 12-1pm from the Town Hall. Someone will be there asking members of the public their opinions. Here is your chance to tell it like it is Moose. They are not voting until 6pm but there will be several (peaceful) groups there. Maybe Radio Leicester will cover it as well if there no more Royal births.
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 Anyone remember the tramp in town who used to tell jokes for money? He was a legend. We gave him £40 once. Used to hang around near the Rat and Parrot and do a stand up for the punters, talking early 2000's. Serious point Moose is on the ball here, there is no reason for some people to be homeless, there are a few forms away from filling them in and getting a roof over their head, why don't the guys who help the homeless actually go on the streets and round them up and help them actually fill them out rather than trying to collect cash for them?
Rincewind Posted 24 July 2013 Author Posted 24 July 2013 Closure of hostels? They do 'round them up' but homeless does not have to mean rough sleeping. The best way is to stop them ending up that way to start with.
Guest MattP Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 Closure of hostels? They do 'round them up' but homeless does not have to mean rough sleeping. The best way is to stop them ending up that way to start with. Why don't they help them fill out their documents that get them off the street and into a property?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 Of the homeless or the royal family ? Both live off state benefit.
ADK Posted 24 July 2013 Posted 24 July 2013 You don't actually open your eyes, it's just the lids you are moving.
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