ozleicester Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Isn't this also known as "invasion day" Totally and rightly known as invasion day by the indigenous community. A day that celebrates the day that Cook raised the flag on Australian soil and declared it was "Terra Nulis" ( Latin for, "Land belonging to no-one") or..the day the invasion and attempted genocide began. The day, along with the flag, and the ties to the monarchy,are long overdue for a change. The day is mostly celebrated by celebrities (who for some reason have chosen to live anywhere other than OZ) who demonstrate the large chip on our national shoulder by begging for recognition from our big brothers in the US and UK... or... By bogans who see it as a day to get pissed, storm around the streets in their shiny Commodores with official (Chinese made) Ozzie flags flying from the windows, or stomp along the banks of the (multitudes of) fireworks shows exclaiming how "ozzie" they are and proclaiming such quality statements of.... "Asians out!" "Fvck off we're full" "We grew here - you flew here" (oh the irony) "Australia - love it or leave it" A (slightly outdated) information site about Bogans is http://thingsboganslike.com/tag/australia-day/ In truth its a day promoted and developed by the Labor party in the 80s to deflect attention away from bad stuff, (economics and injustice etc) and then taken to dizzying new heights by the liberal (conservative) governments who now use it to make sure that only wealthy white people can come to this land "with boundless plains to share" *but i might be slightly biased
Guest MattP Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Why are the lefties so pro immigration unless it' some non white medieval culture on the receiving end of it? Australia is magnificent country, a beautiful creation and no one can genuinely say it would have been better had it been left to the aboriginals, it would like a larger even more backwards place than the North Sentinel island. How long do you think it would have took native Americans or the aboriginals to get to the moon or build a Sydney Opera House? White guilt at it's worst and rather embarrassing.
leicsmac Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Why are the lefties so pro immigration unless it' some non white medieval culture on the receiving end of it? Australia is magnificent country, a beautiful creation and no one can genuinely say it would have been better had it been left to the aboriginals, it would like a larger even more backwards place than the North Sentinel island. How long do you think it would have took native Americans or the aboriginals to get to the moon or build a Sydney Opera House? White guilt at it's worst and rather embarrassing. Well, I guess we'll never know, will we? Because they weren't left alone. And in the meantime both Aboriginals and Native Americans - along with vast swathes of their culture - died by the truckload due to the superiority complex and avarice of others. The argument for/against colonialism can go on til the cows come home, but you'll never convince me that what happened all those years ago was actually good for the native inhabitants. Not given the cost in life and culture. All that being said, I have no guilt over what happened because I have no responsibility for it. For me it's just another senseless loss of life caused by greed and lust for power caused by one group of humans to another - something hardly unique in human history.
MooseBreath Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Would be interesting to ask some young educated professional aboriginals for their take on it. I'm sure they're probably quite pleased they grew in a country with first class social infrastructure which has allowed them so much opportunity and choice in life. It takes a special kind of white supremacy to look at that and wish they were all still in the gutter so we could all marvel at how interesting their culture is.
Zingari Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Why are the lefties so pro immigration unless it' some non white medieval culture on the receiving end of it? Australia is magnificent country, a beautiful creation and no one can genuinely say it would have been better had it been left to the aboriginals, it would like a larger even more backwards place than the North Sentinel island. How long do you think it would have took native Americans or the aboriginals to get to the moon or build a Sydney Opera House? White guilt at it's worst and rather embarrassing. good point, but how long before they started 2 world wars and hundreds of other global conflicts resulting in multi millions of horrific deaths ? edit; wtf is going on with multiple quotes ?
leicsmac Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Would be interesting to ask some young educated professional aboriginals for their take on it. I'm sure they're probably quite pleased they grew in a country with first class social infrastructure which has allowed them so much opportunity and choice in life. It takes a special kind of white supremacy to look at that and wish they were all still in the gutter so we could all marvel at how interesting their culture is. The social infrastructure that began by being applied to them at gun/sword/economic starvation-point at the expense of their culture? I see what you're saying about perceived quality of life, but the point is they never ASKED for it, nor were given the freedom of choice to object. According to you though, not having that choice has led to them have more choice now? Ironic eh? It does lead back to the fundamental question though - was it really right to intervene in the affairs of another people, and leave them no choice but to adapt to (supposedly higher) standards, possibly against their will? From my experience, being meddlesome like that never really ends well - again, examples of that littered through history.
Guest MattP Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Well, I guess we'll never know, will we? Because they weren't left alone. And in the meantime both Aboriginals and Native Americans - along with vast swathes of their culture - died by the truckload due to the superiority complex and avarice of others. The argument for/against colonialism can go on til the cows come home, but you'll never convince me that what happened all those years ago was actually good for the native inhabitants. Not given the cost in life and culture. All that being said, I have no guilt over what happened because I have no responsibility for it. For me it's just another senseless loss of life caused by greed and lust for power caused by one group of humans to another - something hardly unique in human history. Well, I guess we'll never know, will we? Because they weren't left alone. And in the meantime both Aboriginals and Native Americans - along with vast swathes of their culture - died by the truckload due to the superiority complex and avarice of others. The argument for/against colonialism can go on til the cows come home, but you'll never convince me that what happened all those years ago was actually good for the native inhabitants. Not given the cost in life and culture. All that being said, I have no guilt over what happened because I have no responsibility for it. For me it's just another senseless loss of life caused by greed and lust for power caused by one group of humans to another - something hardly unique in human history. Well I;d say given that a boomerang and a digeridoo were the pinnicle of their inventions over 40,000 years I'm going to hazard a guess that maybe they wouldn't have reached the moon in the next 170 odd, though I realise you like to see the good in people. Vast swathes of theitr culture, what's that then? Drinking goon all day and abusing your children isn't really much of a culture to me. From the townships I've been to they can't even enter civilisation now, let alone back then. I have no guilt over it, not because I wasn't involved but because we are creating a better World.
leicsmac Posted 28 January 2014 Posted 28 January 2014 Well I;d say given that a boomerang and a digeridoo were the pinnicle of their inventions over 40,000 years I'm going to hazard a guess that maybe they wouldn't have reached the moon in the next 170 odd, though I realise you like to see the good in people. Vast swathes of theitr culture, what's that then? Drinking goon all day and abusing your children isn't really much of a culture to me. From the townships I've been to they can't even enter civilisation now, let alone back then. I have no guilt over it, not because I wasn't involved but because we are creating a better World. It's not really that - more like they should be allowed the freedom to be good or bad themselves and to pick their own future, rather than being coerced into one in the name of making a better world. I know that some people think that 'civilisation' justifies the means, and perhaps there will come a time when humanity faces such a threat that we will have to act as one or not survive regardless of the cost, but having beliefs and ways of life exported at the point of a gun, sword, threat or law always makes me very very uneasy. That's the main reason why I intensely dislike active religious fundamentalists too come to that, as the principle seems the same.
absolutelegend Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 No offence, but i couldn't give a sh1t about australia day.
MooseBreath Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 The social infrastructure that began by being applied to them at gun/sword/economic starvation-point at the expense of their culture? I see what you're saying about perceived quality of life, but the point is they never ASKED for it, nor were given the freedom of choice to object. According to you though, not having that choice has led to them have more choice now? Ironic eh? It does lead back to the fundamental question though - was it really right to intervene in the affairs of another people, and leave them no choice but to adapt to (supposedly higher) standards, possibly against their will? From my experience, being meddlesome like that never really ends well - again, examples of that littered through history. All good questions. Would be very interesting to hear answers from some young and intelligent aboriginals. Not so interesting to hear answers from white people because we all know how we've been programmed to think.
leicsmac Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 All good questions. Would be very interesting to hear answers from some young and intelligent aboriginals. Not so interesting to hear answers from white people because we all know how we've been programmed to think. It would be interesting to hear from every possible demographic in the countries involved about something like this, with (as you said) an emphasis on the original native population. It does ask some pretty fundamental questions about human behaviour.
Rincewind Posted 31 January 2014 Posted 31 January 2014 Didn't know where to put this/ It's not funny but i quite like the quote and it is Australian.
OzFox Posted 1 February 2014 Posted 1 February 2014 Captain Cooks first fleet arriving on our shores in 1788. Of which no one cares it's just an excuse to drink and party. A day that celebrates the day that Cook raised the flag on Australian soil and declared it was "Terra Nulis" ( Latin for, "Land belonging to no-one") or..the day the invasion and attempted genocide began. Come on Aussies, get your history right Arthur Phillip captained the First Fleet. Cook landed 18 years earlier so Australia Day has nothing directly to do with him
OzFox Posted 1 February 2014 Posted 1 February 2014 Didn't know where to put this/ It's not funny but i quite like the quote and it is Australian. Not bad but prefer this one
ozleicester Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Come on Aussies, get your history right Arthur Phillip captained the First Fleet. Cook landed 18 years earlier so Australia Day has nothing directly to do with him Doh!
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