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  1. another school shooting

    Rep. Claudia Tenney has her own view on the debate, apparently. http://thehill.com/homenews/house/374941-gop-lawmaker-many-mass-shooters-end-up-being-democrats
  2. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    The Left talk about life being miserable. The Right go out and make life miserable (for anyone who isn't the in-group at the time, anyway). Words and deeds. /facetiousness
  3. The UBI and related chat Thread

    Can understand the sentiment (evolutionary instinct being what it is) but surely someone has to care about the long term?
  4. North Korea

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43153976 Better signs.
  5. another school shooting

    The one ray of light that might be seen out of this dark episode is that unlike Sandy Hook or any that have come before it, the amount of backlash fuelled by those involved themselves might be enough to force some change. Millions of kids about to hit voting age in time for the 2018 midterms or 2020...and finally they've found an issue to motivate them.
  6. President Trump & the USA

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43154727 Thoughts? Initial thinking is that legally he doesn't have a leg to stand on as Twitter is a private company.
  7. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    I blink when I lie, sadly.
  8. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    Yeah, the first couple of paragraphs are fair enough - you would have to be sure of malicious attributability before holding them to account, and I'm glad you agree taking them on in such circumstances is good - I just wish it was easier. We do seem to differ in the way we view the world, and that's alright...for me, keeping power as evenly balanced as possible through accountability and egalitarianism is the way humanity ends up surviving for the longest period of time, and that cause of continued survival is my personal hill that I would die on - other people have theirs, some people don't have one at all, and fair enough for them.
  9. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    Thanks - it's certainly an interesting topic to speak o. I don't mean to come off as a totally cynical nihilist here and say that the choices of people without power have no choices at all - just that those who purport that freedom of choice is universal across all people and everyone is an island are wrong. The choices you have are limited by a number of factors, one of which is the choices that other people make that concern you. And yes, power isn't always bad - but it does tend to corrupt and attract the corruptible. When people get that feeling of controlling the choices of another human being (or group of them), that feeling is often heady and difficult to let go of. Think that's human instinct kicking in tbh. The incident could be accidental or intentional - the effects on the people involved would be the same, though yes, luck also is a big influencer on peoples lives. I don't get why you'd not want, in the list of things the locals could do, to hold the responsible party accountable for what they did? That kind of accountability and consequences for abuse of power is often the only bulwark against those power abuses that exists - I'm not sure why that's not a viable option here or in other similar circumstances. Sometimes such incidents are indeed blameless but sometimes, blame is needed to be attributed and the guilty parties penalised for their abuse of power, or what's to stop them from doing it again when they know it would benefit them to do so? Simply drawing a line under it and moving on allows those with power to keep on abusing it if they wish, for as long as they wish. There's scope for both IMO - use your own choices to rebuild/move forward, but ensure that such an event doesn't happen again. Again, I'm probably looking at this from a cynical viewpoint that humans won't check themselves morally in such situations without the need for outside intervention - but history shows that this is the rule rather than the exception. I agree that power structures will always exist and so hierarchy will do so too, but IMO it is morally repugnant to have a structure where the power is so imbalanced that some human beings are simply not accountable to others, whatever choices they make. There has to be a system where someone can speak for those who have much smaller voices - or no voice at all. I would also agree with gaining power and changing the system from within...but sadly the system seems to be structured in such a way that those that try either fail or simply become the same powermongers they seeked to change.
  10. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    Interesting example there, and one where you still do have a limited amount of power (like you said, you can vote them out). You do have control over all of those decisions...but again, through the action of others, you are forced into choices that are all a net negative. Is it really free will when someone is imposing on you to the degree that all of the choices you have are negative? For another example, how about a hypothetical where a company pollutes a stretch of water in a far-flung country while extracting resources. What choices do the locals have? What can they do? 1. They could take legal action - can they really outlawyer the company in a process that would likely take years and a great deal of money? 2. They could relocate - leaving homes that they have possibly lived in for generations. 3. They could get water from other sources - resulting in much longer journeys and effort to do so. 4. They could stay, drink and otherwise use the polluted water and take their chances. All of those choices, as free will as they are, seem to be a net negative in a pretty big way to me - unless there are some others that I haven't thought of and I'd be happy to hear them. In this case, do they really bear responsibility for the choices placed on them, and are they not victims? I get it, I do - people think that personal action and responsibility is important, and it is, to a degree. But also don't underestimate the importance that power plays in all of this, and the effect it has on personal sovereignty. I also can see where you come from regarding it all evening out, too - but I don't believe that for a second, not unless there is some kind of afterlife judgement which I don't believe in anyway. Sometimes, the "bad guys" win, and that's the end. Interesting discussion this, btw.
  11. Absolute cvnts of our time Pt.MXXVI

    Richard Littlejohn at it again. As if any more proof were needed.
  12. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    Interesting. I would agree that the response to such factors is sovereign but consider for a moment the theory that those responses exist in the form of various choices that you can take. What the actions of other people can do is reduce your choices drastically, to the point where you only have a few - and all of them a net negative for you in the long term. When that occurs, is the person then taking a bad choice truly responsible for it and is their feeling a victim honestly not justified? Perhaps I'm looking at this from a too-Postmodernist outlook, but for me almost all human interaction comes back to power, and the more you have, the more choices you have and the more control you have over the choices of other people. It is a difficult one to nail down though and everyone has a different take.
  13. The UBI and related chat Thread

    Automation (and it's different from all the other times people have said it would be a true game-changer IMO, this time it's going to do almost everything) is going to have to result in a sea change in economic structure somehow, or risk mass dissent and conflict. Whether that change involves a UBI or something else, I'm not sure, but I honestly don't think the present structure would survive with robots doing almost all the physical jobs and a lot of the clerical ones.
  14. another school shooting

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43140105 Alex Jones has a lot to answer for making this kind of stuff much more popularised IMO.
  15. Unpopular Opinions You Hold

    This. Everyone is affected by external factors when it comes to their lives. Don't get why people think that it isn't the case. What other people do, often thousands of miles away, has a bearing on your life.
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