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  1. TBH, having thought about it, the only answer is nothing. Or next to nothing, anyway. Regulation of the Internet on any kind of large scale for whatever purpose is a fools errand for the most part - the Chinese with all the Emperors men can't stop people poking holes in their Great Firewall with regularity.
  2. https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-controversial-copyright-reform/a-48062142 Why the EU would want to follow the US with their IP-is-totally-utterly-sacred-and-every-idea-is-owned-and-must-be-monetised rubbish, I'm not entirely sure.
  3. Sorry, the question wasn't "Is there actually a single person in the entirety of this whole mess that is corrupt but is totally honest about it, not like the others, so that's ok"?
  4. Good grief. Is there actually a single person in the entirety of this whole mess that isn't corrupt?
  5. From what I've read she's decent on policy, too.
  6. Ah right, looking back: I must have misunderstood what you meant, then - I thought what you were getting at was while apportioning blame is about the only thing we can do it's not all that comforting.
  7. As we agreed before though, apportioning responsibility for something like this that may end up affecting the whole world is about as comforting as euthanasia.
  8. Evidently you have more trust in law enforcement than I do. I'm a firm believer in unaccountable power corrupting, and there are many examples both inside and outside the US fuzz of that holding true. For good reasons, I don't blame anyone for not trusting authority figures of this type unless they know who they're accountable to (if anyone) and having had time to build trust. The police officer initially said that the victim had a gun, but then changed his statement later on and has every reason to lie. The witnesses saw no gun - they might all have reasons to lie too, who knows. Balance of probability is that there was no gun, even though, yes, it's one word against another for a jury. I'll absolutely deny that people not yet arrested for a crime have every right to "obstruct the law" and "bring it upon themselves", as you put it. That system isn't some infallible shining light in the sky - it's a system operated by other, fallible, corruptible humans, and people have every right to view it with distrust until proven to their satisfaction otherwise. Questioning it and not subjecting yourself to it should not be an offence. Nor do I have much sympathy for those officers as you do - they chose that job with all the pressure it implies, if they don't like the idea of being held accountable and losing a lot when they make a mistake that costs someone their lives, then they should look for a less pressured profession instead rather than cutting accountability to fit. The press did. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/?utm_term=.42d55f20571e I know I posted that a while back here and you dismissed/obfuscated when presented with it, but the studies are sound - if you want to believe them. Is it so much of a conspiracy to suggest that police in a lot of places are corrupt and do exactly as you say, keeping quiet and submitting to a system? The "thin blue line" exists as an idea for a reason. I'd certainly agree that racist cops should be held accountable, as well as other corrupt elements within that service...but is that really happening enough? TBH Prussian I think we disagree on a lot of things that are likely but have just enough reasonable doubt to make an argument with - this particular issue, the effectiveness and organisation of the white supremacist movement, the Repub response (or lack thereof) to climate change in terms of policy, for instance. I doubt we'll ever come to agreement on those issues, among others, but you do make me work to defend my position and make me think hard about it at times, and for that I thank you. Interesting discussion, this. The Dems do need to stop the infighting and put up someone capable of challenging Trump. Harris, Booker, Gabbard are all good shouts IMO. I like Bernie too but I'm unsure of his age factor, for one thing.
  9. Citations, copious citations from a range of sources, really really needed for an extraordinary claim of that type. I think we've talked about this before wrt to black cops being as trigger-happy as their white counterparts and, as has been said before, that suggests to me a problem within the institution itself (rather than individuals in it) in many different places. I'd have more respect for the people trying to uphold the law if they were held accountable when they make dreadful mistakes like this one - but this is one of a great many situations where it clearly isn't so. Writing off multiple incidents like this as non-indicative of a greater problem ("tragic, individual cases") when there are so many just like it is a serious case of carpet and sweeping IMO. And with respect, Prussian, this isn't the only topic in which you refuse to draw correlation and possible causation between circumstances and insist that there is no pattern to supposedly "isolated incidents" when the correlation is extremely likely.
  10. Couple of things: The last time I checked, resisting arrest (in the form of running away, as opposed to fighting and/or presenting a capital threat) wasn't a crime worthy of death in any state of the USA, let alone instant, arbitrary no-trial death - hence the paltry defence that was used that the kid was pulling a gun which folks knew was BS and which he changed halfway through the trial and yet the jury somehow acquitted him anyway. So yes, I really can and I do say that that he didn't have it coming, by rule of law. Is there a justification, in your view, for a cop shooting anyone who doesn't present a capital and imminent threat to them? And speaking personally, I strongly dislike the idea that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear" from law enforcement. That's not the way it's worked for black guys, white guys, any guys or girls throughout history because those arbiters of law enforcement are human and therefore subject to the same kind of corruption as the rest of humanity is - and again history proves that the checks and balances against such corruption don't sometimes work. With that in mind, I can certainly see why folks who have done nothing bad in their lives would still choose to not get involved with the fuzz if they can possibly avoid it.
  11. Yeah, this is the nub and crux of the matter...not only in the UK, either.
  12. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47683162 Just another day.
  13. Yup, you're right. Honestly, I'd find such folks so insistent on national "purity" and so misguided about what ancestry is and means hilarious if they weren't so dangerous.
  14. Some folks said that the influence of Daesh was somehow going to start a race war in the UK. You said that it was bollix. Funnily enough, you were right. Apparently the UK population is too busy splitting itself down the middle over Brexit to worry about other civil wars.
  15. Well done. Some of the posts in this thread haven't aged all that well.
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