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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Yeah, there's something in that. I wouldn't overlook the entitlement issues they have being reflected a little wider in society and so that being a problem. Perhaps I overestimate the link between words in extremis and deeds in extremis, though.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    I started taking them seriously the moment they began to go tooled up into schools and opened fire tbh.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    As much as I see what you mean Carl I think if you're going to take the Pepe incel crowd and their words seriously rather than laughing and moving on - and they absolutely should be taken seriously for many reasons - then you should be taking the ones at the other end of the spectrum seriously too. They may not have the broad power the "alt-right" have with their man in the White House and encroachment in Europe, but as you say words are important and do have a tangible effect and the "snowflake SJW" crowd do have power of their own in a few areas and unopposed power always corrupts. NB. As has been said before though, those like Melanie Phillips simply want their religion in charge rather than that other one (Intelligent Design? Piss off) and I'm not sure those on the right or the left can really bring up anti-Semitism given history of authoritarian regimes on both wings using it.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Nope, nor did I. Dirty fence-sitters. Understood. I just wouldn't discount the conflation of criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism for base purposes nor the influence of those who conflate them out of hand.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Pardon me for nitpicking, but that's not what you said in your OP. You said "no one has ever claimed it isnt", which was understood to mean a worldwide context. http://jfjfp.com/the-new-israel-fund-says/ "Several organisations such as the self-styled NGO Monitor, Israel Resource News Agency, WorldNetDaily and the Near and Middle East Policy Review are promoting the view that the work of Human Rights NGOs working in Israel is, by its very nature, anti-Israel. Their charge is to associate moral and ethical criticism of any activity by Israel or the policies of its Government as being anti-Israel, anti-Semitic and when conducted by Jews, as evidence of self-hatred." And additionally: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/us/politics/democrat-israel-anti-semitism.html Democrat writes book on Israel-US actions, when she comes round for election almost thirty years later, Repub says “The Fifth District is not a racist district, and I don’t see them ever voting for an anti-Semite like Leslie Cockburn.” If we're limited to UK politics only, then thankfully the issue isn't as much of a hot potato as it is elsewhere and such conflation doesn't tend to make it into public debate. I would say, however, that those who conflate the issue in other parts of the word can and do have an effect on the current debate going on in the UK.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    This is a certainty? No one has ever claimed that Israel is beyond criticism, ever? (Or indeed, tried to negate any and all criticism of it by accusations of anti-Semitism, which basically amounts to the same thing?) WRT the last paragraph, there are people who conflate the two out of ignorance or malice. Agree that there needs to be careful division between one and the other, though.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Not sure Finn and Alf consistently rep toddys Grauniad posts tbh.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    This. I'll add that quite frankly if anti-Semitism and legitimate criticism of Israel's actions get conflated by an individual it's either out of ignorance by a person who should perhaps look at the nuance better or malice from someone who knows all about the situation and wants to further supremacist views.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    There does seem to be a certain confusion about what some Leave supporters (and indeed some MP's) wish for from Brexit. If there was a unified consensus I daresay all of this might be going smoother than it is right now.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Thank you for the clarification. I do hope at least most of the 17.4 million Leave voters think similarly.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    ...and which Brexit is that? Some consistency and therefore clarity on that matter might help.
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Fair enough, as is very well-noted I have no time for Trump nor Boris - they're both narcissistic con artists who get off on power and have somehow managed to convince a pluraity of people that they're in it for something other than their own self-interest. That wouldn't be so much of an issue were it not for the power Trump in particular commands and the resultant effect it could have on the future. It's not like Trump doesn't have previous for mocking leaders in negotiations with him, is it?
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    Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Absolutely, I think both what Tusk has done here and what Trump does regularly are unbecoming of statesmen in the position they're in. But hypocrisy is hypocrisy.
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