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Its official. 90% of the posters in this thread are bots

Bit of a reach to say the very least

And the whole thing is secondarily, or maybe primarily, a distraction from his move to end asylum for central american countries 4D chess

He has really played a blinder here. Love him or hate him, you have to tip your hat to the guy

One of her teachers literally said she thinks what Greta is doing is bad for Greta's health, but she needs to do it to save the world. I think thats terrible

I think the climate lobby is a bit arbitrary, distant and cold, i dont think it can touch people's hearts Where we all get on board is stories of people doing tangible things and considering their implications. When we see innovations to try to clean up the oceans or people developing vertical farms etc... I think everyone can get behind stuff like this. What turns people off I think is exemplified most in that strange little Scandinavian prophetess. Greta whatever. She is just depressing. As good as a cause may be it still needs a face the world can countenance People like tangible stories they can relate to. Little stories of action, human stories. I think climate activism should go more down that road than grand political lobbying and empty protests, and anti human rhetoric. Why would people respond to that? There's a way for us to agree I hope, I think the method needs to be brought into question more Unfortunately people like AOC and whoever lets Greta out of her pen say things like "12 years left!". Honestly its rhetoric that kills the conversation and harmful to sincere environmentalist sentiment Bit harsh on Greta i know. I think she is sincere, just think she is messed up amd let down by her foolish parents and authority figures encouraging her to be upset; unhelpful and unhealthy for her personally and for the public discourse

You maintain a more civil manner than I do at times i admit, dont mean to be disrespectful mate. All opinions at the end of the day

TBH I recently read that the reduction of CPCs did not coincide with the ozone healing itself. Dont know much more than that. I'm not an expert on climate change, but I dont think many other people are. The media is doing a good job of printing plenty of blatant lies atm, particularly the leftist media, as thats most of the mainstream media tbf atm, its not unreasonable to be sceptical I didnt say that evolution is driven by clashing world views. I said some countries have established within themselves a society that drives progress, thats irrespective of clashing world vews. Some countries do not have such an established society. Just think some cultures do this better than others, dont feel ashamed to say. And I think we cant take what we have for granted. And I think thats what Trump means. Omar literally compares England and the US to Al Quaeda. She does not like ''The West'' and I think thats very different from wanting to just improve the country. She would prefer to change it, fundamentally. I actually dont mind him suggesting she jog on. BTW she did not oppose harsher laws on FGM, for example. I dont care for her or her opinions. Of course we should aim to get along with as many people and peoples as we can. Individuals have had more of an impact on history than anything else, good and bad. We must support the individuals who are doing the most, that means supporting a free society. Like you say, power corrupts, and so I dont trust a giant authoritative bloc to gain power under claims of environmental impending disaster and not to abuse it.

Its crude and ostensibly oafish, but its tactically very effective There is a petition going to start an official investigation into her marrying her brother to get him into the country, seems there might be some substance to that story after all

We've been through the environmentalism thing a lot - it just seems to me to be so easy to trot it out and lay it like a blanket over the whole world (which i guess politically that literally is what it is) and then there is no room for dicussion. I'm more and more sceptical of it. We still tout the ozone layer as some sort of victory but it was also psuedo science. I think you have your view on CC and I have mine and there is probably no room to bridge the gap in a real way Human evolution is basically a history of clashing world views and clashing cultures and war is it not? Some countries have managed to knock together workable societies that have furthered knowledge, art, science and medicine, have enabled us to have better political discussion and have been founded on protecting people's freedoms. These countries are rare and precious and we must celebrate them. Today there is a fashion to say these countries are the most evil on the planet, which is an empty virtue signal but has far too much traction relative to its value (ie. it has 0 value) The ones that have not been great for the arts and sciences and civil freedoms etc. are the collectivist socialist ones. I dont believe we are on the cusp of extinction from climate change, so if I dont believe that, why should I do whatever the people who do believe that tell me to do? Its totalitarian in effect, but its just infused with the morality of 'saving humanity' so some people dont see it for its authoritarian nature. Its a watermelon. The globalist environmentalist movement seems to work hand in hand with destruction of sovereignty (because it wants countries to subject themselves economically to blocs, like the EU, for example), with mass migration (not migration, but mass migration) that dilutes and disturbs the cultural fabric to the point where a country cannot express the will of its people, who reflect its culture which has been painstakingly built and preserved over years and hard-fought for, and becomes weak to internationalist agendas which may well be apposite to the agenda of the populace - just read The Social Contract to learn how difficult it is to have a stable politic without a people who share values. Its actually probably impossible. And we have distrubed the social fabric in spades in the UK. I dont really want to see the US do the same, we have problems now with the lack of integration and we will have plenty more in the future - before that gets called racist, I would love integration. Would love it. In many places we dont have it. Having an extreme environmentalist outlook seems to me to imply that any position which does not run in accordance with it is immoral. Sounds like fundamental Islam, sounds like fascism, sounds like communism. That will probably sound extreme to you, but I think nested in your environmental idea is a totalitarian aspect that even creeps into your speech at times, like when you say you would support collectivism on a temporary basis. ie. the men in power tell everyone what to do until they decide they dont need to anymore What strikes me the most is that you seem such a nice guy, hell of a lot nicer than me, but in that ideology there is a tyrant that does not for me correspond with your nature as I perceive it

I havent read up on them yet. I do feel like when you list 5 things Trump has done and 2 or 3 of them turn out to be not how you perceived them it doesnt seem to make you think - hmmm, maybe i should question his portrayal in a more broad way - and I dont really get why. I think the left are the ones causing crazy polarisation, they are the ones dragging us into the mire. They lied abiout the border, they are the ones that pretened to care and use racial dogwhistles whilst not helping Omar and AOC are the most extreme examples of the dangerous tactic of the left in america atm. Omar is a terrorist symapthiser. She downplayed 9/11. She is an anti semite. And you can say that with more certainty than these frankly false claims of Trump's racism I dont know why this doesnt worry you more. The danger of open borders and the false promises of socialism are embodied by these politicians. They are the pits Trump is the Daddy, these guys are the children in the room. Change my mind

Politics is very toxic right now, for me Trump is an antidote to that, for others he is the main cause of that. The next election is going to be even more interesting than the last. I tried to watch the Hunt v Johnson debate last night and it was so boring and tedious and empty US politics is very entertaining atm, gotta give it that

I dont remember them going as mental when Obama won, but I wasnt paying so much attention then Its true a bit more centrism wouldnt hurt. Not where the trend is headed though

If anything it looks like there is room for a 3rd party to oust the democrats atm, if they continue to worsen

You just havent been red pilled yet Then you'll be funny

I used to think that. Then i listened to her a bit, find her quite funny Sorry guys

Lol I have actually warmed to her recently, but that was pretty funny

"Racially charged" is a great way of saying 'not racist' People agree with him because the politics of these people is antithetical to the US Omar cant condemn terrorists when questioned. AOC also couldnt condemn the antifa attack, add that to the list of retarded things she has done. People agree with Trump because these people are dangerous idiots, nothing to do with race If people moaning about these tweets were at all serious about the greater good in politics they would have to think a bit harder than just say RaCIsT. Trump is playing the dems like a fiddle Cant wait for 2020, its going to be great

https://spectator.us/trump-go-back-where/

Neither Boris or Hunt can actually say it was racist Because it wasnt

Ok then It was discussed on here, just not much because many werent interested in it

Will look it up and read some articles about those points when I can

The paris agreement seems like it would negatively effect the poorest in society, which is a gripe the environmentalists seem to ignore happily and that bothers me I havent read about the other ones, would need to look it up. I am always supsicious about taking these things at face value because usually on close examination the anti Trump rhetoric withers under the light so often Dems trying to blame him for issues at the border despite them causing massive issues by denying the crisis and delaying the funding being a stark case in point. Their policies and rhetoric are seriously dangerous but they want to be political about it and pin it on Trump

Whenever you post i feel like we're fellow travellers but at the same time differ greatly curious one I do appreciate the flexibility of your position, you voted for Trump and are also very willing to criticise him. Not dogmatic. Its not so common these days Isnt he a pretty anti war president, relatively? Do you appreciate that about him? Or do you think he's not anti war really?

There was no outrage about it and the rise of left wing violence is not as important for you as right wing violence. But i think you're a good and reasonable chap so i know of course you condemn all kinds of violence. I just find it interesting you dont seem as vocal about violence on the left This article states quite briefly and better than I why the Paris agreement is not all its cracked up to be https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/4-reasons-trump-was-right-pull-out-the-paris-agreement