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Can you imagine how humiliating that would be? Yes, you've breached. Yes, you should get a points deduction. But we haven't got the heart, it's just too cruel - off you go with a telling off and just don't do it again. Or again and again.

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Sorry - couldn't disagree more. The blame here is firmly on those running the club, the managers and players. Do you seriously think whether or not anyone in the stands claps at half time or not makes a scintilla of difference to the first half performance or will to the second? Blaming the fans JUST AS MUCH? Seriously? Baffles me why so many on this forum get their knickers in a twist on this issue. You could equally argue that if you vented your anger at those truly responsible it would be a more worthwhile use of your energy than blaming fans. "Because of the soft nature of them this is why the club is in the position its in"???? Jesus wept.

As I'm not watching the game, I did wonder at the beginning whether anyone's checked we've actually put 11 players out.

We're left hoping for three wise men and the great camels they rode in on........

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I've no problem with them switching off after a match, but there's three days of Test cricket they've missed. If they'd played 5 days, no one would mind a bit of fishing, sightseeing and even golf. But this looks like its just an extended holiday. This is supposed to be their job. If they want to be in peak fitness, three days tough training to replicate the days missed would be right. They'd still have over a week before the next match and weren't schedule to start training until next Monday. That's more than enough rest built in to relax. And it shows how dumb they are. They know golf is being taken as a proxy for a lazy entitled mind set. And they just serve it back up. There's any number of things they could have done for a bit of R and R other than that. It becomes a choice. And they wonder why it goes down badly?

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And is that giving him the benefit of the doubt on the philosophical debate on whether zero is a number?

whatever i saw, must have been my eyes and/or a typo. 1 hour 40. So there's no bloody excuse at all!!

That's a good point. It is a 12 hour flight. I did think, but what else are they doing? Didn't really pick up on the question as to whether they'd deliberately avoid it because a 3 balls faced and then out innings would only encourage the Aussies. Bowlers may find it useful though.

They next play a match on the 4 December. 10 days from now. They'll have had three extra days off for not even playing a 5 day test. They travel on the Wednesday and don't even train until next Monday, let alone play a match. That's their idea of preparation. They can't have any complaints if virtually no one who wasn't going to Australia anyway bothers to pay good money to go and see the next Ashes series in Australia. I feel sorry for those who will have paid out thousands of pounds for this %&^$.

It's been laid on specially. But Stokes and McCullum are firm that it will only be Lions players. It is beyond stupid. The pink ball plays differently in its own right. The lighting conditions will be completely different. But I expect nothing less from this lot. I'm beginning to get really hacked off with the pair of them. It's the dishonesty of their arguments that annoy me. McCullum can't justify Head as proving Bazball works. Head never played a waft outside off stump. Australia didn't go to our Plan B (which never works) of endless short balls that will never bowl or lbw a player and so the risk of hitting it as Head did is nothing like the same as attempting a drive that was never on as you've got four people lined up to catch exactly that. Precisely how did McCullum think batting and bowling as we did in the second innings was ever going to win a match? He bangs on about how batting in that style he believes is the best way to put pressure on a team. We had pressure on the Aussies. We were 100 ahead having only lost 1 wicket. We then proceeded to remove all pressure from them by batting in that style. I know I shouldn't, but I really hope they get absolutely hammered in the second test. AUS have won 12/13 pink ball tests. I think we've played 3 against them, so we've hardly played any. And lost by 120 runs, 275 runs and 146 runs. And aside from that two day tour match, I don't know of any match cricket being scheduled for England to play.

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And spare a thought for Starc - first 10 wicket haul in an Ashes series in Australia for 20 years I've heard, and he still is beaten to Man of the Match.

I have a horrible feeling that we'll do what we quite often do in Australia, namely win or draw one but only after the series is lost. I'm still miffed about the 2017 /18 series, when we got a tonking by 10 wickets, 120 runs, an innings and 42 runs and where Cook and Broad played so badly that even they finally admitted they thought they would be dropped, only to finally pull their finger out in the fourth test and England managed get a draw, for normal service to resume and a loss by an innings and 123 runs to top it off.

We're not that weak a team. Aussies are playing Weatherald, Khawaja and Doggett. And while Boland played better in the second innings, a lot was down to our batting. Not many would call him truly world class. The teams are fairly even on paper, I think. Our weakness is our top four, and right now Root is not in any kind of form. But bar Head's extraordinary innings, Aussie batting hasn't really clicked either. 172, 132, 164 tells a story.

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And as a long-standing England cricket fan, I'm well within my comfort zone this dank November morning. Do not dizzy me with victories in an Australian Ashes test match; I'll get nothing done all day.