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In what way?

Presented by who though.... That's my point. Politicians, media outlets and shadowy social media actors. This same story is repeated across much of what Labour have done. Misinformation is trashing democracy. I don't care who you vote for, it's not good when people aren't told the truth on which to base their decisions.

Why is it that the cost to the taxpayer only seems to get mentioned whenever money is spent on ordinary people?

Precisely my point. The rich investors affected by the farm inheritance tax proposals have funded massively misinformation campaigns with the aim of mobilising farmers - who won't be affected - against the proposals. Aided and abetted by the lines of GB news, reform and the Tories, as well as a million bot accounts. The number of supposed farmers on social media who were stunning with 4K cameras and pristine farming clothes decrying the policy was telling

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You're probably right. Will be interesting to see if the greens can do any better too as the new leader seems to be doing a decent job of creating a profile. I do think that labour have basically been sunk by internet bots if I'm honest. The pile on over relatively mundane issues, and utter silence over things they've done well is an affront to democracy tbh. As an example I'll point to the farm inheritance tax issue - vast majority of farms will be untouched by it and they've also given farmers some real wins elsewhere, but 75% of large farms sold last year were too investors seeking to avoid tax, who are targeted. But they're also the ones funding misinformation to all farmers leading to protests and misunderstand of a policy that largely won't touch them.

The other victims on the panel disagree though. So there's no consensus amongst the victims.

Most ordinary people are not overwhelmed with stock ownership. The existence of pension and investment funds for the middle class does not change the point that workers are getting every smaller shares of productivity gains, rather than it being shared fairly between workers and investors. You can't just dismiss that at a point in time where we have record economic disparity between the top and bottom and an economy where ordinary people are struggling to buy the shopping even when they have two working adults in the family.

Our economic system has literally been set up to do nothing but create value for shareholders. And those shareholders and their CEOs are taking ever bigger shares of what growth there is. That is a problem. There isn't a fair split between labour and capital, the gap hugely widening in recent decades. It means the nation's work based wealth is being funneled to the top. On top of that there was over a decade of QE combined with low interest rates which allowed the wealthiest to borrow huge sums at virtually zero cost, causing asset price bubbles across the board as they bought up everything, property, art and a host of other things. So they saw huge gains in their wealth due to bubbles caused by the creation of national debt. These two things combined need addressing.

My commentary was nothing to do with you and everything to do with the horrendous political background to this issue. The current government are doing what the last one failed to do for 14 years but whatever they do isn't enough for the right wing who are using this issue as nothing more than a political football. Absolutely no idea how you're reading victim blaming into it just because I mentioned victims. It's absolutely not blaming them that they might have begun to ask questions if the inquiry based on the endless social media nonsense going around. But that also doesn't mean I have agree the inquiry wasn't looking to be good and thorough.

BBC News - Child abuse expert pulls out of grooming inquiry over political 'point scoring' - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zvnd5lno The words of the expert need to be listened to - lies and political manipulation are at the heart of this. Reform and their endless bots are the problem.

This is rubbish. The government have done nothing to stop a thoroughly open and transparent process. The issue is reform types lying about that for political gain, and their nonsense reaching survivors.

It's a shame. The problems are being stoked by reform types, endlessly throwing issues in the way to create a narrative it's not fair. It's nonsense. It's the worst type of politics.

What a ridiculous occurrence. Kinda shows that it really is going to need pan-european work to stop this though. Even if we get the backlog down to zero and get rid of the hotels, they're still going to come without Europe as a whole having the will to fix the problem. It's a bit of a funny one in that right wing people have raised immigration as an issue for some time and could point to small boats as proving them right, but realistically action to truly solve the problem would require working with Europe, spending money on developing countries in Africa and elsewhere - things they don't tend to support. It really shouldn't be that difficult to say asylum seeker numbers are a problem, why don't we stop the routes through Europe and fix the problems at source so they don't feel the need to come in the first place. Alas, those two sides of the coin seem destined to never meet.

I was wondering how they'd know, particularly given they claim all the people on boats throw away their documents (which would be short-sighted as it falls upon an asylum seeker to prove their identity and that they personally are at risk in their own country).

This is what we're missing. A system where full backs support their wingers with over/under laps, safe in the knowledge the system is designed to look after what's behind them. Also, Fatawu in the team we had a few years ago would have been the difference between those two 5th place finishes and champions League. We never solved the lack of proper RW problem. Means nothing now of course.

Where's this reported?

That's interesting. The UK seem to have chosen the worst way to do privatisation across the board. We've literally sold the family silver for zero medium or long term benefit.

As it should be

GB energy, putting solar panels onto schools and hospitals to cut the costs of running them. Who are building a brand new energy infrastructure not controlled by privatised energy firms that charge based on gas prices over multiple years but everybody somehow thinks it should have happened in a year.

My kinda girl

Why don't we start like this?

In fairness, you've put your argument well

Can actually hold it up, need more runners

Still where is semenya supposed to go? As I said, I don't have strong opinions on this issue in general, just don't like that the voice of women is generally being assumed by men, and serious assaults are being assumed linked to the trans community without any evidence given to support that. Feel like it's more about people not liking trans people than anything else.