HankMarvin

No it’s not foaming at mouth it’s just highlighting those particular points make little sense. Just like you saying he was awful at Everton. He had a poor finish. People like yourself totally glaze over what someone has achieved because they have a dislike for someone or their style of football. The same with the assumptions about playing young players and work developing academies contrary to what is in the public domain. He was at Everton after a season after they spent £1.7m in the previous window and managed to keep them up. Survived relegation despite 2 sets of points of deductions in the following season. Burnley your concept of overachieving is a 7th place finish despite a 10th placed finish and 5 consecutive seasons in the top flight. I haven’t commented on his style of play, or said I want him as manager but tend to look a bit deeper than just follow opinions.

So 10th wasn’t a decent season for Burnley 🤣 and wasn’t overachieving? keeping Burnley in the top flight for 5 consecutive seasons isn’t an overachievement? Remind me again how Bundesliga winning Kompany got on?

Yeah if you totally ignore what he achieved on keeping Everton up when they hadn’t won for about 3 months and look dead and buried when he took over. clearly you think Burnley are an established premier league club, as keeping them up or finishing 10th doesn’t count as an overachievement.

While there has been a lot of good work from a lot of good people at the club, the rise to Category One status, on top of the building of a new state of the art training facility, and with the club about to embark on a fifth-successive Premier League season, it adds up to some legacy on and off the pitch for Dyche. Dyche hailed those who have helped bring the academy up to the top level - remarkable progress from the time he arrived in October 2012: “I think a lot of the planning and work has been done by many here, not just me, has probably developed the club beyond where people thought it could go when I first got here, I’m sure of that. regardless if they lost it, isn’t that improving it from 3 to 1 during his tenure.

But it hasn’t done the players that have gone on to be successful here any harm waiting to have their debuts at 19. Is there anyone other than Bassey who has slipped through the net playing at left back because there was Chilwell and Thomas ahead of him and didn’t see his future as a CB despite the club wanting to play him there that has gone on to look worthy of a first team role here at a young age that we have missed out on? Trey Nyoni might spring to mind, but he left at about 16 and 4 months, so clearly that was more about the club coming in for him. The mean average for players making their debuts under the age of 19 in the Prem over the last 3 seasons is on average is 1.3 per club In the championship is goes up slightly 1.5 per club So it’s not like the club is massively lagging behind in offering development for that age group. Sometimes people get a little too excited about every talented youngster, the reality is the staff that deal with these kids are best placed to see it daily and just like with Monga and Evan’s they have been given opportunities because they are stand out talents for their age groups and excelled in older age groups and have both been linked with other clubs of late. Regardless of who the manager is, is it likely that talented players who have been linked with other clubs from an early age would be overlooked by managers—especially when the owner would be fully aware of the financial benefits of playing highly rated young players, provided they are good enough? Take players like Monga and Evans, for example. Do you think their first team involvement was simply down to Ruud van Nistelrooy, or was it more likely an instruction from the board as the pendulum had shifted from survival to the future

Like progressing their academy from nearly failing tier 3 to elite in 4 years you mean?

Geographically yes, but Blackburn also have spent the last 13 years in the championship and league one, not quite as cut throat as bedding in youngsters in the prem trying to avoid relegation. Burnley is also in a catchment area with Manchester United and Liverpool and Leeds. Instead of thinking, Dyche was the reason why they didn’t get players, maybe just maybe being in the prem for 7 odd years back to back attracted more young kids to the club. Under Dyche they went from nearly falling out of academy grading level 3 to working towards elite status from 2016 to 2020

1 year prior Anthony Gordon 'was desperate' to join Chelsea and move was 'quite close

Some top tier waffle tonight Anthony Gordon has joined Newcastle United for an undisclosed fee. The 21-year-old forward leaves Everton after having submitted a formal transfer request. Gordon joined the Club's Academy at the age of 11 and made his senior debut as a 16-year-old in a Europa League tie in December 2017. 29 Jan 2023 Chelsea unsettled him the year before with a £45m offer that was rejected. On 30 January 2023, Dyche was appointed manager of Premier League club Everton on a two-and-a-half-year contract, replacing Frank Lampard.

Ok mate nothing to doing with him being a mascot at 4 and fan of Blackburn in 2008 and the family all being massive fans and having 2 sons play for the club A clear early affiliation with the club 4 years before Dyche was manager of Burnley. Only takes a minute to google. Thats Dyches fault for the identity he gave Burnley in the future

It was in response to Dyche has given no pathway to young players, then 5 minutes is not enough. Most of his career has been battling relegation and avoiding it, When you are avoiding relegation by just a point in some instances. It would be a bit shortsighted to throw on youngsters regularly just to give them minutes and weaken the clubs position in the league and your job. He has highlighted the lack of quality at Everton for example. If Everton had Monga linked to PSG and Man City maybe he would’ve played him there to save him leaving. Has anyone posted players he has missed from any of the academies that have gone on to have top careers?

“If we park Watford” because it weakens your point that in 15 years of his career there is no pathway for youngsters which has now pivoted to regular starters. He was there a year and as per the screen-cap there was numerous youngster given minutes.

Remind me again of the minutes young players have played for this Relegated team? With no risk to the manager. Did the subsequent managers in Dyches absence at Burnley suddenly start unearthing home grown gems playing weekly?

He’s approximately fifteen years in management and shown zero trend of taking players from the 17/18/19 bracket into first team football So now it’s his fault that players he has given first team opportunities to turn out to be shit

What does zero trend look like? There is already an explanation on page one regarding Everton’s short fall in producing good young players during the years prior to his tenure regarding their ban. Burnley with the context of this period being in the top flight where performances can cost you your job when you are battling relegation most seasons. Watford 1 season

And the owner if we can produce some much needed new talent to generate future funds

Let’s not give him credit for the quickest relegation we have suffered in the top flight, to the point where it doesn’t matter who he starts. He wasn’t so keen on youth when he walked in the door and results mattered

Or maybe if he was at a club that produced the talent he would play them if they were ready for first team football. I didn’t hear many people moaning about the likes of Chillwell, Harvey Barnes and KDH under various managers gaining experience on loan. It’s generally what happens to youth prospects. It’s only because the squad is in dire need of freshening up that people are flapping about youngsters being played. I don’t remember the same scrutiny on other managers in the past.

Or say Lampard would be a good fit

Conveniently miss all the other points to suit your strange stance of a bloke that’s been relegated once in 10 years and spent most of them overachieving with a club with a population of 80k

They were 16th when he got sacked. For a manager than can’t manage in the PL, in the last 9 seasons since Burnley were promoted in 16/17 he avoided relegation with Burnley in 5 of them. In the 6th, he was sacked by Burnley in 18th with 8 games to go and still managed more points than our current manager. Took over Everton in 19th at the start of Feb and saved them from relegation despite them only having 15 points and being on a winless run in 3 months. Improved the following season with a 15th league position finish. With a shoestring budget of £75m in 2 years. Burnley in Europe and 2 seasons 7th (a place higher than O’Neil finished) and 10th not bad for a bloke that can’t “manage” in the Premier League

8 points better off with 2 games 2 play to equal Dyches 19 games. Baring in mind he was sacked after winning 1 from 11 it’s not a huge difference. Depends on the last 2 games Southampton and Newcastle

Looked more likely to score than Daka has in his last 20 odd appearances since the goal against West Ham

I’m sure Brighton would be chomping at the bit to send him here again, given the wasted development

That was only the 5th and 6th goals he has scored away from home in the 10th match. Still 2 points behind Ipswich’s point tally since December let’s not kid ourselves the blokes been an embarrassment.