Code of a Killer - Colin Pitchfork

[fox123]

Trying to get released, what are your thoughts?

I personally think the fucker should rot in jail.

[Thracian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Pitchfork

He should have been issued with teeshirt and shorts and been given a job as nightwatchman at an Antarctic site of special interest 20 years ago.

In fact it's never too late...

[fox123]

For those who don't know who Colin Pitchfork is, to add from Wiki (thanks Thracian)...

In November 1983, a 15year old schoolgirl, Lynda Mann was found raped and murdered by a secluded footpath in the Leicestershire Village of Narborough. Despite extensive police efforts, the hunt for the murderer proved unsuccessful and the investigation was eventually closed.

Three years later, Dawn Ashworth, also 15 was discovered strangled and sexually assaulted in a similar fashion, again by a local footpath less than a mile away from where Lynda Mann’s body had been found. Police were convinced that the same assailant had committed both murders and eventually apprehended a local boy, Richard Buckland. After questioning, Buckland revealed previously unreleased details about Dawn Ashworth’s body and eventually confessed to her murder.

Convinced that he had committed both crimes, Leicestershire CID contacted Dr Alec Jeffreys (now Sir Alec Jeffreys), a young geneticist at the University of Leicester who had recently developed a technique for creating DNA profiles. Using his technique, Dr. Jeffreys compared semen samples taken from both murders against a blood sample from Buckland. From his genetic fingerprinting technique he was able to inform the police that the same man was indeed responsible for both murders. However, he was also able to conclusively say that Richard Buckland was not ‘their man’, despite his confession.

Richard Buckland became the first person in the world to be exonerated of murder through the use of DNA profiling. However, not only had DNA profiling proved Buckland’s innocence, it also indicated that a potential serial killer was still at liberty. Consequently Leicestershire Police decided to undertake the world’s first DNA mass intelligence screen. All adult males in the three local villages to where the body’s were found, (a total of 5,000 men) were asked to provide blood and saliva samples, making national and international headlines.

The public response was overwhelming and most men volunteered to give blood. However, upon analysis none of the blood samples matched the profile of the killer. It seemed that all possibilities had been exhausted.

However, the investigation took a strange twist when a year later, a bakery manager overheard her colleague Ian Kelly say that he had given a blood sample, masquerading as his fellow worker Colin Pitchfork. Pitchfork it seems had manipulated Kelly into taking the test for him. He had told him that he himself had already given blood for a friend who was wanted by the police for a series of armed robberies and therefore he couldn’t give blood again.

Pitchfork was subsequently arrested and his DNA profile matched with the semen sample from both murders. Faced with irrefutable DNA evidence, Pitchfork confessed to both girls’ murders. He was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1988 and still resides in high security conditions to this day.

[Scow]

My mum and dad lived on the same street as him when it happened (a small cul-de-sac) - in fact my mum was pregant with me at the time!

I was told the story that one day he tried to get in to our house when my mum was alone and my dad was at work - thankfully she didn't allow him in.

[Finnegan]

As a bit of a ferocious lefty it's generally in my nature to preach about rehabilitation and more alternative punishments to simple endless imprisonment (and death.)

But it's really, really difficult to feel motivated to do so in cases like this. I guess rape (especially in the instance of pedophillia) makes everyone inherently more right-wing, hah.

I do believe there are a rare few who should never see the light of day again. It's difficult to not put men like this in said group.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Someone was telling me about this murder a couple of months ago, as he was telling us that allmost every male around the blaby area was getting questioned. He also said his ex wife called the police and tryed to tell him it was him who did it as she was mental and trying to get her own back.

[Ultra]

A recent survey was carried out on this issue. Its results were fairly conclusive.

For crimes like this, life really should mean life.

[Alexikokopops]

Good name though.

[Shrenchel]

Good name though.

It really really is.

[Zingari]

i always call a spade a spade

[Thracian]

A recent survey was carried out on this issue. Its results were fairly conclusive.

For crimes like this, life really should mean life.

The survey carries a plain enough message about what the public think, the sort of message I wish was reflected in sentences generally when appalling crimes are committed.

But I do wish someone would explain to me why society should take responsibility for looking after these arseholes.

If they cannot earn enough to pay for their keep, with or without family assistance, I would far rather the money for their keep were directed towards more worthy needs and people like Pitchfork were simply cast out into the wilderness to survive or otherwise as providence decrees and with no right of nationhood anywhere but the inhospitable landmass they were transported to before being set loose and abandoned.

[Finnegan]

I would far rather ... people like Pitchfork were simply cast out into the wilderness to survive

So we can have a whole bunch of storries next about how the homeless are all murdering rapists?

[Shrenchel]

The survey carries a plain enough message about what the public think, the sort of message I wish was reflected in sentences generally when appalling crimes are committed.

But I do wish someone would explain to me why society should take responsibility for looking after these arseholes.

If they cannot earn enough to pay for their keep, with or without family assistance, I would far rather the money for their keep were directed towards more worthy needs and people like Pitchfork were simply cast out into the wilderness to survive or otherwise as providence decrees and with no right of nationhood anywhere but the inhospitable landmass they were transported to before being set loose and abandoned.

I don't really understand what you're saying...

We should send them abroad? Who's going to take them?!

Or we should just set them loose in the British countryside? I'm not sure what the ramblers association would have to say about that...?! Oh look, there's harry roberts feasting on berries and fashioning a make-shift shelter from the branches of a fallen oak.

[Thracian]

So we can have a whole bunch of storries next about how the homeless are all murdering rapists?

I'm sure you'll do me the favour of explaining the connection. Cos I can't find one. And as a guy who's experienced being entirely homeless for 9 months and having to live in a ridge tent with my wife and child, mostly in the pouring rain, I'd imagine I'm as sympathetic to the homeless as you doubtless are.

[Finnegan]

Uh. Just chucking a known sex offender and killer out to fend for himself?

That'd sort of make him:

A. An unwatched threat.

B. Homeless.

C. A Daily Mail headline waiting to happen.

... no?

[Shrenchel]

Uh. Just chucking a known sex offender and killer out to fend for himself?

That'd sort of make him:

A. An unwatched threat.

B. Homeless.

C. A Daily Mail headline waiting to happen.

... no?

Exactly. I'm sure someone that's been institutionalised into the prison system for so many years would find a life behind bars more appealing than sleeping in a shop doorway and spending his days begging/stealing to scrape together enough money together for food. Oh and what better way to get back into the nice warm prison than by doing some of his beloved sex offending. Yeah fooking brilliant.

[Alexikokopops]

Uh. Just chucking a known sex offender and killer out to fend for himself?

That'd sort of make him:

A. An unwatched threat.

B. Homeless.

C. A Daily Mail headline waiting to happen.

... no?

I think Thracian's suggesting somewhere slightly more remote than Saddleworth Moor.

...with no right of nationhood anywhere but the inhospitable landmass they were transported to before being set loose and abandoned.

[Thracian]

I don't really understand what you're saying...

We should send them abroad? Who's going to take them?!

Or we should just set them loose in the British countryside? I'm not sure what the ramblers association would have to say about that...?! Oh look, there's harry roberts feasting on berries and fashioning a make-shift shelter from the branches of a fallen oak.

I'm quite sure it would be possible, given the will, for any government to negotiate an arrangement with any number of sovereign nations if the Antarctic were considered too precious an environment.

The Sahara covers 3,500,000 square miles, for instance.

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[Zingari]

guantanamo bay is under occupied at the mo ;

[JakeShingler]

My Dad lives Narbrough and told me about it and theres a book.

[Shrenchel]

I'm quite sure it would be possible, given the will, for any government to negotiate an arrangement with any number of sovereign nations if the Antarctic were considered too precious an environment.

The Sahara covers 3,500,000 square miles, for instance.

.

What the fook is the point in that?! If that's actually what you think then you might as well just kill him because it's going to take about 2 days for a 50 British geezer to pop his clogs in the middle of the sahara desert.

Plus, I don't really know what kind of expectations you have of African nations but I don't think Chad are going to let you bang a bunch of sex pests and murderers in their state without wanting something in return.

[Finnegan]

I think Thracian's suggesting somewhere slightly more remote than Saddleworth Moor.

Oh...

... I'm not quite sure why I had more faith than that in his human rights beliefs. Yknow, Singapore et all.

[Alexikokopops]

Plus, I don't really know what kind of expectations you have of African nations but I don't think Chad are going to let you bang a bunch of sex pests and murderers in their state without wanting something in return.

Oh...

... I'm not quite sure why I had more faith than that in his human rights beliefs. Yknow, Singapore et all.

I'm not sure why he's suggested it though. Like Shrenchel says why not kill him straight off if that's your view. I'm confused.

[Thracian]

Uh. Just chucking a known sex offender and killer out to fend for himself?

That'd sort of make him:

A. An unwatched threat.

B. Homeless.

C. A Daily Mail headline waiting to happen.

... no?

a) Dumped in the middle of the Sahara he'd have less chance of being a threat than he ever would either internally as a prisoner or through the possibllity of escape, parole in later life or even possible release in time.

b) His "homelessness" would be entirely self-inflicted due to his appalling crime but if it would make you feel better I'd stretch to the six-foot ridge tent I used myself to go with his tee shirt and shorts and one-day''s food supply. I would hae absolutely

no interest in taking responsibility for helping prolong the offender's life beyond that point. People who show such contempt for our society and the people who live in it by committing such heinous crimes effectively opt out of it to my mind.

c) I'd happily argue my stance with the Daily Mail or anyone else. And I'd monitor the results too. But I have no doubts that our streets would be well rid of these people. I remember the Pitchfork case quite well and the effect in had on the entire neighbourhood. If Pitchfork had ended his days as a skeleton in the desert I'd have no sympathy and no conscience either.

[Guest]

I would have more sympathy for Thrac's argument if he suggested that we went back to the days where prisoners had to earn their keep whilst in prison, rather than living off of tax payers.