Private landlords and Tenants

[Guest]

We need heavier taxation on empty properties that are just used as deposits, would probably enforce mansion tax based off wealth as well

 

I agree that the government could tax long term empty properties more - but the problem owners will find ways around that, for example by saying that they are unliveable - in this case only those people who own their own house but are not living in it for some reason - working away or living with relatives for carer reasons would be hit.

 

I think the government should certainly force purchase houses that have been empty over the long term (with the possible exception of owner occupier - where the occupier is absent for a justified reason). Do them up and rent them as publically owned properties. Likewise they could give low percentage grants for private owners to do up properties for renting with the owner agreeing to a market rent for a fixed period of 10 or 20 years. I think they could also improve private owned properties using public funds and then have the right to rent these properties out "as public housing" until they've collected the rent that would cover the work done.

[Guest]

Such a pleasant little old lady

FIF's a woman of the world, she's been as far afield as France.

 

Your mysogynistic lies don't affect me Moose. I don't hold women in such lower disdain as you do, so being called a woman isn't an insult to me - though it probably breaks forum rules on your behalf.

 

Do you still work at McDonald's or have you been fired?

[MooseBreath]

Your mysogynistic lies don't affect me Moose. I don't hold women in such lower disdain as you do, so being called a woman isn't an insult to me - though it probably breaks forum rules on your behalf.

Do you still work at McDonald's or have you been fired?

It's not misogynistic to point out that someone comes across like a little old grandma, fif, unless you hold a very dim view of little old grandmas. Which I don't, as it happens, I actually find very elderly people and their comical view of the world quite endearing. I'm looking forward to the 2070s when I'm as old as you and can get away with talking absolute shit, like only old people can.

[Rincewind]

So knowledge and experience gained over a  lifetimeis pointless?

[MooseBreath]

So knowledge and experience gained over a lifetimeis pointless?

If you're bitter and angry at "entitled young people", and still think dubiously gotten wealth is the key measure of success and happiness into your 80s, then yes i'd say "pointless" would be a pretty good way to describe your life.

[Jon the Hat]

There is a certain irony in those who have made money from property price growth pointing at those who cannot afford to buy now and telling them to work harder.

[Rincewind]

When have I ever said dubiously gotten wealth is the key to success? I am against that. And why whould I be angry and bitter towards young people being able to live a decent life with  access to medical care and have rewarding jobs without struggling that my previous generation fought for?

[Guest]

There is a certain irony in those who have made money from property price growth pointing at those who cannot afford to buy now and telling them to work harder.

 

As there is in a user of the NHS voting Tory.

 

btw if you're claiming that's my case, may I say that I worked hard to buy property - the price growth was irrelevant,That would only be relevant if more property was bought on the back of sales of other properties. If you want to blame someone for me being able to buy, blame the terrible economy that made interest rates near/in double figures, the education system which helped teach me basic economics and Magiie Thatcher for selling off all the public housing for short term gain - not that I bought council houses - we all know that they are in the wrong area!! 

[MooseBreath]

When have I ever said dubiously gotten wealth is the key to success? I am against that. And why whould I be angry and bitter towards young people being able to live a decent life with access to medical care and have rewarding jobs without struggling that my previous generation fought for?

When has this thread ever been about you, ken?

[David Hankey]

Councils should have the powers to Compulsory purchase unoccupied houses and ensure developers build so-called "affordable homes" after planning permission has been gained and where they form part of the Conditions of that planning approval.

 

I see both sides of the argument. As a Landlord who imposes a fair rent I know there are unscrupulous landlords just as there are tenants.

[Guest]

Councils should have the powers to Compulsory purchase unoccupied houses and ensure developers build so-called "affordable homes" after planning permission has been gained and where they form part of the Conditions of that planning approval.

 

I see both sides of the argument. As a Landlord who imposes a fair rent I know there are unscrupulous landlords just as there are tenants.

 

The first part I already suggested and I'm not against the second part just would rather see these houses being put into the rented sector (public) as opposed to the purchase sector (and therefore possibly private rented). There seems to be a severe lack of public housing available to UK citizens. I view public rented property a better stepping stone for young people before purchasing than comparatively sub-standard "affordable homes" which young people will then need to sell as they need to be employably mobile.

 

Owning a house is a negative when it comes to the job market. Houses take time and energy to sell. Young people need to be geographically mobile for the employment market - more public rented property would allow that whilst ensuring standards and fair rent which is the major complaint I'm seeing levelled at the private rented sector.

 

Permanent housing is becoming as obsolete as a job for life. Flexibility is the keyword and the rented sector is more flexible than purchasing. 

[ADK]

You must live in a glass house to not see the jobs that immigrants do that Brits don't wish to do. I guess you're also young not to understand that young people in Britain DO feel entitled - have you ever lived outside of England? You're also a little bitter that I've taken your ass to the cleaners of subjects you know so little about and perhaps cut a little close to the bone. Get over it man.

 

Oh nearly missed the point where you don't think it's he Tories fault for the housing crisis but you do think it's private Landlords  .

 

Oh Maggie!

 

I think you'll find you're the one who admitted you knew nothing about the current housing market. I'm just pointing out where your logic is flawed. What jobs are you talking about? In economics there is never a single reason for anything and I don't think I've blamed private landlords for unaffordable housing, certainly not solely. There is no "blame" when looking at something like this anyway. I'm not trying to argue that people are morally bankrupt for making money where they have the chance, I'm pointing out why it's bad for the people forced to rent and for the country as a whole. I feel like I'm wasting my time though, even though it's a topic that is relevant to me and one of the biggest issues in the UK at the moment. You didn't like what Labour are proposing and I actually partly agreed with you in my opening post, but I tried to put across why it might be a popular policy. You can go on convincing yourself it's nothing more than jealousy fuelled by a sense of over entitlement if you wish. Or you can argue about old ladies with Moose.

[Guest]

I'm pointing out why it's bad for the people forced to rent and for the country as a whole. 

 

Okay forget all the other comments.

 

Can you explain what you're trying to say here.

 

Is it that people owning property is better than people renting property for the country as a whole or something else?

[ADK]

Okay forget all the other comments.

 

Can you explain what you're trying to say here.

 

Is it that people owning property is better than people renting property for the country as a whole or something else?

 

That's a bit of a complicated question to answer. It's about having a functioning market. That is what would be better for the country. I do think having a larger publically owned housing stock is a good idea, but it wouldn't solve our current problems unless additional houses were built. That is what needs to happen. More houses need to be built, a lot of new houses (in the right locations). At the same time, there are areas of the UK that badly need some intervention to boost their local economy. Then your £40K houses might become useful again.

[Finnegan]

Councils should have the powers to Compulsory purchase unoccupied houses and ensure developers build so-called "affordable homes" after planning permission has been gained and where they form part of the Conditions of that planning approval.

I see both sides of the argument. As a Landlord who imposes a fair rent I know there are unscrupulous landlords just as there are tenants.

I think we do this. I'm not 100% sure how it works (they've tried to explain it to me but I wasn't very interested!) but there's a team in my building that do empty homes stuff along those lines.