Grammar Schools

[Captain...]

2 hours ago, ajthefox said:

The main point I was making was that I've heard that grammar schools will benefit the most academic but that's not necessarily true. I don't have any issue with people paying for tutoring or going to a prep school so that they get into a grammar school, but I think it's disingenuous to imply (not that you have) that grammars are all about rewarding those who are naturally intelligent. 

For sure, if you have money and want the best education possible (or what you think will be the best education) for your kids you will use your wealth to do that. It happens now with people moving to the catchment areas of good schools. Whatever the government do people will find loopholes to ensure their kids get the best education.

[Dr The Singh]

More money = better standard of education

 

Nothing changes that

 

 I went to a school that was second bottom of the school leagues until, it the south Asian kids came and made it a top 10 school.  Why because south Asian kids wanted to learn, and made the most of the shit teachers and after school efforts

[Captain...]

16 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

More money = better standard of education

 

Nothing changes that

 

 I went to a school that was second bottom of the school leagues until, it the south Asian kids came and made it a top 10 school.  Why because south Asian kids wanted to learn, and made the most of the shit teachers and after school efforts

Haven't you just contradicted yourself.

 

The attitudes of the kids made a huge difference at your school not the amount of money thrown at it. It doesn't matter if you have the best teachers and equipment money can buy if your child is a little shit that doesn't want to work he won't get a good education and if he's a disruptive little shit then he will drag many others down with him.

 

Maybe instead of separating the best and brightest from the masses we should remove the disruptive element, what is the saying 90% of teachers time is taken up by 10% of the pupils. Remove that 10% and everyone will benefit and teaching will be a more attractive role because you will be able to focus on teaching and not have to battle the disruptive elements in the class.

 

What do you do with the disruptive 10%? Well I will leave that for you to decide.

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Haven't you just contradicted yourself.

 

The attitudes of the kids made a huge difference at your school not the amount of money thrown at it. It doesn't matter if you have the best teachers and equipment money can buy if your child is a little shit that doesn't want to work he won't get a good education and if he's a disruptive little shit then he will drag many others down with him.

 

Maybe instead of separating the best and brightest from the masses we should remove the disruptive element, what is the saying 90% of teachers time is taken up by 10% of the pupils. Remove that 10% and everyone will benefit and teaching will be a more attractive role because you will be able to focus on teaching and not have to battle the disruptive elements in the class.

 

What do you do with the disruptive 10%? Well I will leave that for you to decide.

Naa mate, no contradiction, those kids earned more money to send there kids to better schools to get even better grades, and better schools meant more chance of getting into oxbridge!!

[theessexfox]

3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Is your school single-sex to 16 and then mixed for Sixth Form, then? When I was school (a long time ago), there was a separate Girls' Grammar with its own Sixth Form.

 

Obviously, practices will vary over time and from place to place but, apart from the big influx of girls at 16, the system at your place doesn't sound that different to the one in my day: nobody switching into the Grammar until Sixth Form.

 

Which makes it a very big decision that is taken at age 11 - almost irrevocable until Sixth Form, it seems.

Yeah there is a Boy's Grammar and Girls' Grammar across the road from each other, we take in girls and external boys for sixth form whereas the girls' school takes only girls for sixth form, lots of them come to our sixth form.