reynard Posted 19 January 2006 Share Posted 19 January 2006 Ok so they may have done a lot for the club at the time of administration but what are they doing now? They appointed the current manager and therefore have to take some responsibility. If we lose on Saturday there is imo a very good chance we will be relegated. what will they do? will they sack the manager or not or will they give him one last go in thetransfer market? I also believe the structure of the club does not allow for anyone mad enough to want to invest a substantial amount of money into the club to do so. whilst it might be nice in principal to have a "family style" club I no longer think this will be good enough to take us forward to where we want to be. also are the board capable of getting more investment? is it time to change the structure of the club? I fear that we do not have the people either on the playing side or behind the scenes with the leadership or ability to get us out of this mess. sides as big or bigger than us have gone down to the 3rd tier of English football and have taken a long time to get back or have never done so. wolves fell to 92nd place villa spent some years in div 3 blackpool once a "big" side and regularly in the 1st div have never returned! Carlisle (once top of the old 1st div) even went into the conference. time for some kind of change and maybe not just the manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Doyle Posted 19 January 2006 Share Posted 19 January 2006 Ok so they may have done a lot for the club at the time of administration but what are they doing now? They appointed the current manager and therefore have to take some responsibility. If we lose on Saturday there is imo a very good chance we will be relegated. what will they do? will they sack the manager or not or will they give him one last go in thetransfer market? I also believe the structure of the club does not allow for anyone mad enough to want to invest a substantial amount of money into the club to do so. whilst it might be nice in principal to have a "family style" club I no longer think this will be good enough to take us forward to where we want to be. also are the board capable of getting more investment? is it time to change the structure of the club? I fear that we do not have the people either on the playing side or behind the scenes with the leadership or ability to get us out of this mess. sides as big or bigger than us have gone down to the 3rd tier of English football and have taken a long time to get back or have never done so. wolves fell to 92nd place villa spent some years in div 3 blackpool once a "big" side and regularly in the 1st div have never returned! Carlisle (once top of the old 1st div) even went into the conference. time for some kind of change and maybe not just the manager! Interesting post this one. What are the current board doing now.....Saving the club from bankruptcy I would say with their hard earnt If we lose.....And what if we win..? You believe the structure of the club needs changing. You also think no one would be MAD enough to invest substantial amount of money into our club and you no longer think they are capable..... Well there is only one thing for you to do isn't there. Why don't you buy the club, change the structure and get millions of pounds invested into it? Maybe because its not really that easy is it. If it was we would be at the top of the Premiership instead of lingering down the bottom of the Championship. I can see it now "Reynard" Our saviour and new President!!! COME ON YOU MIGHTY FOXES MadMick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 19 January 2006 Share Posted 19 January 2006 Interesting post this one. What are the current board doing now.....Saving the club from bankruptcy I would say with their hard earnt If we lose.....And what if we win..? You believe the structure of the club needs changing. You also think no one would be MAD enough to invest substantial amount of money into our club and you no longer think they are capable..... Well there is only one thing for you to do isn't there. Why don't you buy the club, change the structure and get millions of pounds invested into it? Maybe because its not really that easy is it. If it was we would be at the top of the Premiership instead of lingering down the bottom of the Championship. I can see it now "Reynard" Our saviour and new President!!! COME ON YOU MIGHTY FOXES MadMick MadMick, the guy has a point here, but I think our current faults as a football club can be traced back to more sources than the style of the board (i.e. Peter Taylor... ) As a club we should accept that premiership status is certainly not a given and we are a first division club who need to be built from scratch again. Personally I believe that the board is capable of nurturing this kind of development, as we are not in a position (as a club, not on league position) to get promoted. However CL has got us in the league position we are in, and quite rightly if the board are too soft to take note then they are quite clearky not up their jobs either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Doyle Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 MadMick, the guy has a point here, but I think our current faults as a football club can be traced back to more sources than the style of the board (i.e. Peter Taylor... ) I totally agree with your comments regarding Peter ta@#%r . I also agree that the board plays a role in all of this. As a board you select a manager. We selected the Ta@#%r who turned out to be totally incompetent. Spent 27 Million and (nearly) destroyed the club. That board has been replaced and payed the price for "trusting" that this guy was a specialist in his own field. How wrong they were. They paid him well to do a job and lets be honest if MON had the 27 Million that Ta@#%r had I recon we would be in a very different situation than what we find ourselves in today. The current board has put CL in who inherited an even bigger mess that Mickey Adams left. Not having ago at Adam here but the La Magna episode couldn't have come at a worse time for a club recovering from an incompetent manager who nearly destroyed the club at the same time as destroying team sprit. MA was doing reasonably well up to this point and I admire him falling on his sword when he did. So in comes CL with nothing to work with. No cash. One of the first moves he needed to make was to get rid of the high earners from the club. The experience of the team. His replacements are young, unproven and by some reports on this site out of their depth. However some are showing signs of potential and promise and it strikes me that CL needs more time that what was given to Ta@#%r and Adams. I think this is the way the board is thinking as well. The problem is with this calculation is that we are struggling to survive in the Championship where as if we were mid table the pressure wouldn't be as intense. I want CL to succeed not because I like the guy but because of the sake of the club. I don't think changing structures of the team or the board at this time is the right thing to do, but if I am honest with you I don't know what the answer is. I am as frustrated with our plight as anyone is but after a long overdue win on Saturday I hope it changes our direction upwards. I pains me to think of the alternative. COME ON YOU MIGHTY FOXES MadMick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 The current setup has saved the club. But I don't feel there is the leadership there. We need someone to grasp the reigns and take charge, and I don't feel that's happening. We won't get a risk-taker, that's for certain!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboywillmott Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 Some interesting comments being batted around. What I would like to know is what are the board doing to attract new investment? There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago asking if Alliance & Leicester were really that good a shirt sponser. To be fair, it is a good point. We dont really get that much revenue from them for it and although they are well known locally and regionally to be fair they aren't a big name. If you look around the ground on matchday's there are blank advertising hoardings. Now why is that!? Every penny should count for this club and they should be busting balls to get it in. I am praying that I win the Euro-millions jackpot tomorrow night. If I did I would donate £15-£20m to the club - no strings - well ok 1 Id want a seat on the board to make sure money is spent in the best interests of the club and not just flitted away on crap players and board bonuses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 As long as we have Tim Davies involved we will continue to flounder. We are a Micky Mouse organsation and no one has the balls to stand up and do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 As long as we have Tim Davies involved we will continue to flounder. We are a Micky Mouse organsation and no one has the balls to stand up and do anything about it. You say that, but I don't think Tim Davies can be blamed because it hasn't worked out for Levein. I applauded the appointment of Levein and I liked the sound of his ideas, I like the majority of the players he's signed and I like the way the team plays football most of the time. I can't work out why we are in the situation we are in, I assume it's down to the fact the manager can't motivate the players he's signed. You'd hope that when Levein goes a new manager will come in a sort it out, you'd hope! I'm not overly concerned on the board as such, I still think this club isn't in as much shit as it could well be if we don't get it right soon. The lucky thing for the club is the fact that Levein has bought players that hold a value. If he'd gone down the route Adams did and signed old rejects on more than one year deal we could be screwed. But alot of our players are worth collectively a few million so the club have a little margin for error but not much and that margin will get shorter every game we play untiul somethings done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 As long as we have Tim Davies involved we will continue to flounder. We are a Micky Mouse organsation and no one has the balls to stand up and do anything about it. i think that is an extremely harsh statement, alot of people have worked very hard to pick this club up off it's knees, i think you should show a bit more gratitude for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 i think that is an extremely harsh statement, alot of people have worked very hard to pick this club up off it's knees, i think you should show a bit more gratitude for that. They might have but what have they done since? Tim Davies is a huge part of the problem and those who think the league position is our only problem are burying their head in the sand. Do you know what our plan for survival is should we go down? Well it is to sell our players, well here is the thing the last time one of our administrations decided on that route we plunged to brink of going bust. The football community in this country is waiting for us to go belly up and they won't help out. So I ask what does Tim Davies actually do? How many new investors has he managed to bring to the table, how many more season tickets have been sold? How many fans games are we having to bring people back to the Club? How is he working to rebuild relationships locally and nationally? Have you ever heard the findings of the La Manga enquiry? I know the much maligned Paul Mace (I didn't like him) said there would be no whitewash, well the CEO has made sure we never found out what went on. Perhaps if Tim Davies concentrated on the business sode of the Club and stopped being so involved with the team like some sort of star struck buffon things wouldn't be so bad. Still he responds to emails sent by irrate fans so he must be a cool CEO <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 i think that is an extremely harsh statement, alot of people have worked very hard to pick this club up off it's knees, i think you should show a bit more gratitude for that. I concur. We cannot take the situation we were in a few years back lightly at all. The current situation of the club can be put down to: Peter Taylor: If he hadn't grossly overspent on awful players, had no tactical skills, and signed over 30 year old players on massive wages.... Ade Akinbye - If he actually put the ball in the net on the hundred or so occasions he had the chance to we would not have gone down and hence would not have been relegated... The departure of all influential players - there is no one currently in the club who you can really say is a true Leicester city player. There is no Walsh / Lennon / Elliot / <insert leader figure here> to give people a kick up the arse Martin O Niell - for leaving Craig Levein - needs to be accountable and inspirational in some way. He dopesnt stike me as a good manager in a crisis LG - the cursed sponsor... I do not think that our current problems are down to the board. If we are not getting enough advertising that is the ads departments issue! Alliance and Leicester are a decent sponsor to have and to be frank we should be grateful for having a largish company come in since Walkers did the stadium deal. Its unlikely to get much better with the position we are in, and at the time the deal was signed there were not many companys prepared to associate themselves with a team who are being charged for sex offences! For the time being I think we are OK on the sponsor front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 I concur. We cannot take the situation we were in a few years back lightly at all. The current situation of the club can be put down to: Peter Taylor: If he hadn't grossly overspent on awful players, had no tactical skills, and signed over 30 year old players on massive wages.... Ade Akinbye - If he actually put the ball in the net on the hundred or so occasions he had the chance to we would not have gone down and hence would not have been relegated... The departure of all influential players - there is no one currently in the club who you can really say is a true Leicester city player. There is no Walsh / Lennon / Elliot / <insert leader figure here> to give people a kick up the arse Martin O Niell - for leaving Craig Levein - needs to be accountable and inspirational in some way. He dopesnt stike me as a good manager in a crisis LG - the cursed sponsor... I do not think that our current problems are down to the board. If we are not getting enough advertising that is the ads departments issue! Alliance and Leicester are a decent sponsor to have and to be frank we should be grateful for having a largish company come in since Walkers did the stadium deal. Its unlikely to get much better with the position we are in, and at the time the deal was signed there were not many companys prepared to associate themselves with a team who are being charged for sex offences! For the time being I think we are OK on the sponsor front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh1884 Posted 20 January 2006 Share Posted 20 January 2006 Tim Davies is a huge part of the problem and those who think the league position is our only problem are burying their head in the sand. Do you know what our plan for survival is should we go down? Well it is to sell our players, well here is the thing the last time one of our administrations decided on that route we plunged to brink of going bust. The football community in this country is waiting for us to go belly up and they won't help out. So I ask what does Tim Davies actually do? How many new investors has he managed to bring to the table, how many more season tickets have been sold? How many fans games are we having to bring people back to the Club? How is he working to rebuild relationships locally and nationally? Not sure I quite understand the point about selling all our players. As I remember we had a few departures but the bulk of the squad remained intact. And the problem then was the crippling wages tallied with the drop in revenue, nothing to do with player sales as surely this would've brough in cash. Secondly, I imagine the problem of attracting investment can be tied in with the underperformance of the team on the pitch. It's difficult to sell a struggling product in any market and even mofre so in the football world which is perceived as a place where only die-hard supporters would waste millions of pounds for the love of their club. You can hardly say pumping money into leicester would be a sound investment. As for season ticket sales, this again relates to how the team is performing and people are less inclined to pay to watch a team who aren't doing very well (outside the loyal fanbase). It could be argued that the underperformance on the pitch is down to the board as they appointed levein so in that sense you can blame everything on him. but when they appointed him, he had a pretty good reputation - whether rightly or wrongly - in the football world as a talented young manager so they probably thought it was a great signing in terms of future prospects. It's not turned out that way but everything is so much clearer with hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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