Shum Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Great post davieg. You are 100% right, everyone goes to a football match for different reasons. Some go to just watch the football, some for the banter, some for the atmosphere. Teeno, you can't slate someone for not singing mate. I think the post you made shows your age!
Smiler Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Yeah give us a few lessons, but try and get some home support first and then come and show us. 47635[/snapback] Have you ever filled the Walkers Stadium ?? 47638[/snapback] Yes. 47639[/snapback] Only when Forest are in town eh?
Guest Daniel Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Yeah give us a few lessons, but try and get some home support first and then come and show us. 47635[/snapback] Have you ever filled the Walkers Stadium ?? 47638[/snapback] Yes. 47639[/snapback] Only when Forest are in town eh? 47741[/snapback] Nope, plenty of other tims.
Teeno Posted 18 December 2004 Author Posted 18 December 2004 Thw whole football atmosphere is being ruined by these people though, they're making football similar to going to a theatre or cinema. Sooner or later there will be signs around the ground with no noise please etc. It's embarresing when we have 3000+ going to a match and only a handful sing. Won't be long before we'll get the chant 'Club full of bores' I don't really have nothing against people who don't stand and sing, it's the mardy twats that tell you to sit down and shut up. That's what is killing football. I love to watch football but I could never sit in The family stand or Main stand, part and parcle of going football is to stand and sing and support your team as best you can and then rip into the opposition.
Anish Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 i cant tell the future, unlike some people on here 47671[/snapback] You're saying you'll be in the Premiership next season - and then you say this. Make up your dim mind.
Anish Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Thw whole football atmosphere is being ruined by these people though, they're making football similar to going to a theatre or cinema. Sooner or later there will be signs around the ground with no noise please etc.It's embarresing when we have 3000+ going to a match and only a handful sing. Won't be long before we'll get the chant 'Club full of bores' I don't really have nothing against people who don't stand and sing, it's the mardy twats that tell you to sit down and shut up. That's what is killing football. I love to watch football but I could never sit in The family stand or Main stand, part and parcle of going football is to stand and sing and support your team as best you can and then rip into the opposition. 47743[/snapback] Teeno would you rather have 5000 hardcore supporters at the home games who sing their hearts out and stand up all the time? I'd prefer to have 25,000+ supporters (even if they don't create as good an atmosphere) who fill the ground and give more money to the club - thus giving the manager more money to spend on transfers etc. And people who like sitting don't appreciate people in front of them standing - if somebody blocks my view I don't like it either. They have the right to tell you to sit down, it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
Leicester_Mad Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 whats the problem that people wanted to go to a football match and watch it? they have paid to watch football and some people feel that if they want to hear people singing they will go to a concert, not a footbal match. Now i like singing at footy matches but i dont go round saying the fans that dont are shit and aint real supporters
Teeno Posted 18 December 2004 Author Posted 18 December 2004 whats the problem that people wanted to go to a football match and watch it? they have paid to watch football and some people feel that if they want to hear people singing they will go to a concert, not a footbal match. Now i like singing at footy matches but i dont go round saying the fans that dont are shit and aint real supporters 47776[/snapback] Thats interesting, btw who on here has said that fans that don't sing aren't real supporters?
Muz Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 whats the problem that people wanted to go to a football match and watch it? they have paid to watch football and some people feel that if they want to hear people singing they will go to a concert, not a footbal match. Now i like singing at footy matches but i dont go round saying the fans that dont are shit and aint real supporters 47776[/snapback] Well those people are silly. You cant expect to go to a footballl match and not here people sing!
Guest Daniel Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Surely if your sitting there doing nothing except watching you cant be classed as a supporter? Maybe a fan? You arn't actually 'supporting' them are you?
Muz Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Surely if your sitting there doing nothing except watching you cant be classed as a supporter?Maybe a fan? You arn't actually 'supporting' them are you? 47801[/snapback] you are supporting them you are still paying money like everybody else so that makes everybody supporting the team
Steven Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Surely if your sitting there doing nothing except watching you cant be classed as a supporter?Maybe a fan? You arn't actually 'supporting' them are you? 47801[/snapback] ... if we accept your definition of 'supporter'.
Teeno Posted 18 December 2004 Author Posted 18 December 2004 Surely if your sitting there doing nothing except watching you cant be classed as a supporter?Maybe a fan? You arn't actually 'supporting' them are you? 47801[/snapback] Well said.
davieG Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 Teen & BM, you two are unbelievable and are behaving in a smug, self opinionated and patronising manner if you think that the only true supporters/fans (see definitions below) are those that go to a match and sing/shout the whole game whilst standing in a seating area :w00t: . What makes you think you are so special that you can denounce others that choose to support their team in a diffferent way to you. Teeno maybe those people that moaned at you for standing didn't want to spend the whole match standing themselves maybe they were physically unable to stand yet still managed to go to the game because they LOVE the team. What makes you two think your love/support is more valid than others. I note also that the pair of you regularly moan at the level of support we get maybe a few have met you two and that has put them off. Those people have paid much as you made the same or more effort to get there and are therefore entitled to watch the game in a manner that suits them not forgetting it was actually a seating area. Some will have been going and supporting their team a lot longer than you> They are there because they support LCFC so back off leave them alone and find something else to moan about. Dictionary Definitions: doesn't seem that different to me. Note it doesn't say in either of them that you must stand up and sing for 90 minutes . The definition is quite open on how one is classed as either of them. Fan: An enthusiastic devotee of sports, an ardent follower and admirer Supporter: A person who backs team etc; "all their supporters came out for the game" PS I love standing and singing during a game.
Nathan_Ellington_WAFC Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 what a brilliant post i await your replies teeno and bm
Teeno Posted 18 December 2004 Author Posted 18 December 2004 I love LCFC like a family member, when I go to a game I just can't sit there and quitely watch the game, I'm just to passionate. You oftenly hear players praising the crowd and how vital their support is and I think this is true. When they are playing poor I think the best way to lift the team is to support them vocalaly and this does genuinly give them a lift. But I also see it as my duty as a fan to sing my heart out, singing on the terraces is a competition between fans, a lot of sets of fans gain great respect for their vocal support, I want us to be respected. It is our duty to stand up for our team and support them as much as possible. I also like to stand and sing at football because I think it is all part and parcel of the football atmosphere. It's one of the main reasons I have an ST at The Walkers and not Welford road. I look foward to a good sing song, and I feel so proud when there are 000+ of City fans singing together. As much as I love watching football a day out at the walkers wouldn't be 1/2 as exciting if I was sitting in the main stand. A game like Forest away for me is the best of the season and it's something I've been looking foward to since the start of the season, and all being well it should be the best performance on and of the pitch. To be able to say 'haha ur team is shit and we completely out sung you' to a Forest fan would give me great pleasure and pride. Now people should know that this kind of game means a lot to people and should expect a very feirce atmosphere, a lot of chants, swearing and standing. I couldn't believe it when within seconds of the game kicking off some bloke had ago at me, and I wasn't constantly standing I would stand up to join in a chant and stuff like that. He sat there arms folded with a face like a smacked arse. What kind of support is that? Where is his passion? Does he not understand how much that kind of game means to people? The away support has been good this season so far, and I'm guessing a lot of the people that went yesterday who don't normally go away because it's a local Derby. Why should those people ruin it for us people that have followed the team up and down the country all season by killing the atmosphere and making us look pathetic infront of our most hated enemies? I personally can't wait for the Burnley game, I bet they'll probably only be around 1000 of us. Personally I'd rather be in a crowd of 200 fans that sing throughout and create and amzing atmosphere, than be with 3000 with only a 1/3 making an effort. I have not anywhere said that people who don't stand and sing aren't proper supporters or anything like that, or am I trying to say that people who don't go every game aren't fans either. It just frustrates me when I scab around trying to save up to watch my beloved City and I make an effort to support the team and urge them on that I get abuse from people. And finally Davie asked if I think my support is more valid than people who support the team in other ways, well I think in a way, yes. We all pay the same enterance fee, and make an effort to get there, some of us make more of an effort than others, but at the end of the day if the vocal support of the fans drives the team on to victory then I think it is very valid.
davieG Posted 18 December 2004 Posted 18 December 2004 I love LCFC like a family member, when I go to a game I just can't sit there and quitely watch the game, I'm just to passionate. You oftenly hear players praising the crowd and how vital their support is and I think this is true. When they are playing poor I think the best way to lift the team is to support them vocalaly and this does genuinly give them a lift. But I also see it as my duty as a fan to sing my heart out, singing on the terraces is a competition between fans, a lot of sets of fans gain great respect for their vocal support, I want us to be respected. It is our duty to stand up for our team and support them as much as possible. I also like to stand and sing at football because I think it is all part and parcel of the football atmosphere. It's one of the main reasons I have an ST at The Walkers and not Welford road. I look foward to a good sing song, and I feel so proud when there are 000+ of City fans singing together. As much as I love watching football a day out at the walkers wouldn't be 1/2 as exciting if I was sitting in the main stand. A game like Forest away for me is the best of the season and it's something I've been looking foward to since the start of the season, and all being well it should be the best performance on and of the pitch. To be able to say 'haha ur team is shit and we completely out sung you' to a Forest fan would give me great pleasure and pride. Now people should know that this kind of game means a lot to people and should expect a very feirce atmosphere, a lot of chants, swearing and standing. I couldn't believe it when within seconds of the game kicking off some bloke had ago at me, and I wasn't constantly standing I would stand up to join in a chant and stuff like that. He sat there arms folded with a face like a smacked arse. What kind of support is that? Where is his passion? Does he not understand how much that kind of game means to people? The away support has been good this season so far, and I'm guessing a lot of the people that went yesterday who don't normally go away because it's a local Derby. Why should those people ruin it for us people that have followed the team up and down the country all season by killing the atmosphere and making us look pathetic infront of our most hated enemies? I personally can't wait for the Burnley game, I bet they'll probably only be around 1000 of us. Personally I'd rather be in a crowd of 200 fans that sing throughout and create and amzing atmosphere, than be with 3000 with only a 1/3 making an effort. I have not anywhere said that people who don't stand and sing aren't proper supporters or anything like that, or am I trying to say that people who don't go every game aren't fans either. It just frustrates me when I scab around trying to save up to watch my beloved City and I make an effort to support the team and urge them on that I get abuse from people. And finally Davie asked if I think my support is more valid than people who support the team in other ways, well I think in a way, yes. We all pay the same enterance fee, and make an effort to get there, some of us make more of an effort than others, but at the end of the day if the vocal support of the fans drives the team on to victory then I think it is very valid. 47831[/snapback] I appreciate your reply Teeno , inspite of what Ellington was implying. I also respect what your saying and love the passion you obviously have and I in know way would denigrate that. Where I would disagree with you is your use of the Headline 'Shit Fans' when referring to LCFC fans and the assumption, that based on the fact that just because you like to stand and sing makes you more valid to LCFC as a supporter. As someone has quite rightly said are you more valid than someone who through circumstances can't get to every game but still buys a programme and other merchandise (which I don't) are you more valid than someone who has never missed a game home or away, including freindlies but never sings, are you more valid than someone who maybe attending their first ever game home or away. I just don't think so, and even if you are it doesn't say much about you if you slag other fans off for having a different approach. Anyway this could go on forever so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I for one would like nothing better than to see the return of standing, football has never had quite the same feel to it since the introduction of all seater. On a lighter note if it's standing and singing you want then maybe the Tigers aint a bad option, yes they do sing. That is until they move to the Walkers.
Teeno Posted 19 December 2004 Author Posted 19 December 2004 I agree to disagree, I totally understand what you are saying. I'm not being big headed but I do see myself as a very big valid City supporter, not just because of sing etc, but because of the bloody money effort and time I put in. I think there are a lot of fans though that don't bother much. For instance the Open evening with Tim davies. Loads of people were going balastic with how much they disagreed with the groundshare but only 50 of us could be bothered to go, similar with the sit in. It seems to me allthough we do have some brilliant supporters we have a lot lot more than most clubs do of fans who just couldn't give a shit.
Craig Posted 19 December 2004 Posted 19 December 2004 I didn't go cos i cudnt, but i did speak tom him on th done
Bilko Posted 19 December 2004 Posted 19 December 2004 Guys I think this is a generational thing. Back in the days when you could choose to stand or sit you knew where to go if you wanted to be vocal (i.e. the old kop at Filbo). Most of the singing was done by younger fans and as you got older you joined the old farts in the decker. Now everyone is mixed in together hence the efforts on this site to try and get vocal fans to congregate in one area at Filbert Way. Have to admit when you get older (40+) you don't sing like you used to as a youth tho you do celebrate and care as much! PS Have Tigers rebranded the Foxestalk logo...maybe they are taking over!!
Chards Posted 20 December 2004 Posted 20 December 2004 My take on it is as follows: As already said, you can go to the match for different reasons, I choose to go to sing my heart out and follow the team that is my life, OTHERS go to sit quietly and watch the team of THEIR lives. I WILL NEVER make a "sitter" start singing if they dont want to, BUT, they should NEVER tell me to sit down and shut up!! Lets face it, you pays your money, you takes your choice..... IT SWINGS BOTH WAYS..... <_<
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 20 December 2004 Posted 20 December 2004 nice of ellington to say we cant fill our ground, have wigan EVER had a sell out
Guest Daniel Posted 20 December 2004 Posted 20 December 2004 nope 48244[/snapback] Says it all. Shit ground, No fans.
Nathan_Ellington_WAFC Posted 20 December 2004 Posted 20 December 2004 no fans? we do have fans.... shit ground ? at least we actually own ours and not sponsered by crisps btw, where have all your fans gone from last season? and how many games have you won in the year 2004
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