Other teams support ?

[Wilson]

nothing to say wilson?

its because its true, isnt it?

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Wigan have achieved nothing so far

[Chandler]

Lads, he is just trying to be contriversial and play devils advocate.

He must know in his heart that as well as Adams started and served our club his signings had become unacceptable as had the performances. We all needed a break away from the Adams/Basset regeime.

Levein is as of yet unproven, I think the signs are promising but I will reserve judgement untila later date. He has yet to put as run of results together yet!

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Fair comment, fairly put TT. But still wrong overall. I am not playing DA. The thing that sunk Adams were the fans' expectations and impatience and a refusal to accept that results were steadily improving (inspect the stats for yourself). Our problem was keeping 11 men on the park.

Levein is as yet unproven - agreed. Promising signs are entirely subjective as results have not picked up in the Championship (again, check the stats). For me the signs are worrying. SPL rejects are not the way forward.

And Wee Willie Wankie from the Remote Backwater Reserve's League is going to get us relegated.

[shen]

Lads, he is just trying to be contriversial and play devils advocate.

He must know in his heart that as well as Adams started and served our club his signings had become unacceptable as had the performances. We all needed a break away from the Adams/Basset regeime.

Levein is as of yet unproven, I think the signs are promising but I will reserve judgement untila later date. He has yet to put as run of results together yet!

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Fair comment, fairly put TT. But still wrong overall. I am not playing DA. The thing that sunk Adams were the fans' expectations and impatience and a refusal to accept that results were steadily improving (inspect the stats for yourself). Our problem was keeping 11 men on the park.

Levein is as yet unproven - agreed. Promising signs are entirely subjective as results have not picked up in the Championship (again, check the stats). For me the signs are worrying. SPL rejects are not the way forward.

And Wee Willie Wankie from the Remote Backwater Reserve's League is going to get us relegated.

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Surely Adams has to take some blame for that though! If that was the only problems we were having under Adams, surely he wouldn't have been let go of that easily by the board. Again, fans' expectations were of Adams' own doing. Had he not proclaimed that they were aiming automatic promotion with that squad, he might just have won himself more time. But back to the original point, if the discipline was really that bad that it cost us games (which I'm assuming is your point) then surely something had to be done about it. The frustration around the place about us not performing certainly had an influence on the players and Adams, but it's his job to get the players to stand up against adversity. Having said that, it hardly justifies 4 red cards in 10 games

[Guest]

Adams said that we would finish in the top two positions this season, he even stuck his neck on the line to prove his point. You can't blame the fans for being disappointed when the season looked to be petering out into mid-table obscurity, possibly a relegation battle come October.

As for the lack of discipline, then surely Adams had to take some responsibility for this? This was a problem throughout his time here, being hauled up before the FA at the end of each season, surely after the first hearing, Adams would have had a serious word with his squad over their behaviour?

It's not just on the pitch though, off the pitch we had a distinct lack of discipline, with players turning up for games drunk, the La Manga business. Whilst the players are responsible for their behaviour, doesn't the fact they showed no respect and a lack of discipline say anything to you?

[Scow]

Lads, he is just trying to be contriversial and play devils advocate.

He must know in his heart that as well as Adams started and served our club his signings had become unacceptable as had the performances. We all needed a break away from the Adams/Basset regeime.

Levein is as of yet unproven, I think the signs are promising but I will reserve judgement untila later date. He has yet to put as run of results together yet!

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Fair comment, fairly put TT. But still wrong overall. I am not playing DA. The thing that sunk Adams were the fans' expectations and impatience and a refusal to accept that results were steadily improving (inspect the stats for yourself). Our problem was keeping 11 men on the park.

Levein is as yet unproven - agreed. Promising signs are entirely subjective as results have not picked up in the Championship (again, check the stats). For me the signs are worrying. SPL rejects are not the way forward.

And Wee Willie Wankie from the Remote Backwater Reserve's League is going to get us relegated.

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Subjective it may be, but performances have improved a great deal, that claim backed up by the majority who watch virtually every game home and away.

I take it you don't get to watch many games, Chandler - This is fairly evident in the way you keep referring to the statistical side of things. We were improving under Adams? Statistically, yes - In reality? No. Performances were inept, there was a lack of passion, committment and creativity. Our starting line up was packed full of has beens with no energy or drive. There seemed to be no light at the end of the tunnel with Micky's stubborness in persisting with the same under performing players and rigid formation week in week out.

Levein needs to be given a pre season. The signs are encouraging, even though he's working with a bunch of players largly inherited by your darling Micky. He's managed to shift out a number of high earners, who have no part to play in our future.

We are now playing much better football, with the ability to open up the opposition and create chances - Something which was severely lacking under the previous regime. The average age of the squad and starting XI is much lower, and this is reflected in the much more energetic displays from the team in recent games. One defeat in the last 8 (Away to league leaders Ipswich, where we should have obtained a draw at least) illustrates we're on the up.

You talk about impatience regarding Adams, you clearly need to take your own advice when it comes to Levein...

[Chandler]

Scowcroft, you are a master of Orwellian double-speak, a veritable doctor of Blairite spin, and an Harrodian purveyor of the finest nonsense to the gentry.

Your addled post pubescent mind has discovered the divide between 'statistics' and 'reality.' This is the most amazing news to the (now redundant) actuarial geeks who compile those worthless statistics commonly referred to as the LEAGUE TABLES (which are inconveniently rather real).

The tedious business of titles, promotions and relegations can now all be settled by bar room banter of the 'who deserved to win' variety instead of the cold, clinical system of awarding 'points.'

But while we're at it; why not go the whole hog and decide individual matches in the same way? Don't get me wrong - we can still have goals. It's just that how many you actually score (and concede) might not have any real bearing on the outcome.

This will be determined at the end of the game (or when the crowd deems they have seen enough) by two troupes of scantily clad demonstation dancers who will gather in the centre circle to reveal marks for 'technical ability' and 'artistic expression' stapled onto the front and the rear of their thongs.

Scowcroft, a word in your shell-like. Whenever you consider replying to one of my posts think about it long and hard, check it thoroughly and then have it peer reviewed.

And then forget the whole damn thing.

[Chandler]

Adams said that we would finish in the top two positions this season, he even stuck his neck on the line to prove his point.  You can't blame the fans for being disappointed when the season looked to be petering out into mid-table obscurity, possibly a relegation battle come October.

As for the lack of discipline, then surely Adams had to take some responsibility for this?  This was a problem throughout his time here, being hauled up before the FA at the end of each season, surely after the first hearing, Adams would have had a serious word with his squad over their behaviour?

It's not just on the pitch though, off the pitch we had a distinct lack of discipline, with players turning up for games drunk, the La Manga business.  Whilst the players are responsible for their behaviour, doesn't the fact they showed no respect and a lack of discipline say anything to you?

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Lisa, there was I thinking that you were rational and then you go and spoil it all with this.

I've only been back an hour or so and I've got frostbite in my fingers so I'll be brief.

After a poor opening half dozen games under Adams, LCFC then took 11 points (automatic promo form) from their next six and climbed the table to eleventh spot.

Re. discipline. The player(s) you imply were drunk on matchdays I take it were Messrs Howey and Elliott (who I know turned up drunk for training under Taylor)? I'll let you into a little secret Lisa, a trade secret. Players sometimes do this deliberately to get themselves a move away.

Re. La Manga. Nothing happened, there was no ill discipline. Some tarts lied, The Screws lied and some bent Spanish lawyers TRIED to run-off with the club's bail money (tried being the operative word - I alerted Tim to what was going on).

More libel and slander about Adams and La Mange has come from so called Leicester fans then ever came out about our administration from the whole nation. It was partly due to this fall-out (and some of the players lack of gratitude for his support) that morale sank so low during our pre season.

So stop repeating this shit.

[shen]

Seriously now, Chandler...instead of having a go at a very very little minority on an internet forum, why don't you moan at some of the directors down at the Walkers? MA offered to resign after the La Manga scandal (and however you put it, it was a lack of discipline from the players point of view and, in hindsight, MA could've maybe prevented this by installing a curfew. The players involved should've known full well that messing around with a group of hookers has a great chance of giving backlash!), but the board fully backed MA. As did most of the fans for that matter. Now.. a few months into the new campaign the board suddenly changes it's view on Adams. Are you telling me that some fans booing at Adams in a fairly short period of time, convinced the board to let Adams go? Or do you think Adams was appalled that some of the fans weren't kissing his feet even when we were underperforming?

On a sidenote, a question of interest (if you're even gonna be bothered replying to this): Did you honestly (hand on heart) see a brighter future ahead under Adams? I'm talking about your gut feeling here...

[Guest]

Lisa, there was I thinking that you were rational and then you go and spoil it all with this.

I've only been back an hour or so and I've got frostbite in my fingers so I'll be brief.

We can only hope.....

After a poor opening half dozen games under Adams, LCFC then took 11 points (automatic promo form) from their next six and climbed the table to eleventh spot.

Re. discipline. The player(s) you imply were drunk on matchdays I take it were Messrs Howey and Elliott (who I know turned up drunk for training under Taylor)? I'll let you into a little secret Lisa, a trade secret. Players sometimes do this deliberately to get themselves a move away.

Howey was here for 5 minutes, and he wanted to get away if your argument is correct. Why on earth would he want to do that if he was playing for the best manager this club has ever seen?

Re. La Manga. Nothing happened, there was no ill discipline. Some tarts lied, The Screws lied and some bent Spanish lawyers TRIED to run-off with the club's bail money (tried being the operative word - I alerted Tim to what was going on).

More libel and slander about Adams and La Mange has come from so called Leicester fans then ever came out about our administration from the whole nation. It was partly due to this fall-out (and some of the players lack of gratitude for his support) that morale sank so low during our pre season.

So stop repeating this shit.

The fact our players got themselves into this mess concerns not just myself, but a number of other City fans I've spoken to.

I've been to La Manga, I've been there whilst a Premiership side was using the facilities for their pre-season preparation. Were our nights out spoilt by rowdy footballers? No. Could we not get into bars because they were full of players and their sycophantic followers? No. Did we actually see any players out on the razz at all? No.

Of course Adams was going to support them. He knew he should have had the sense to stick a curfew on them. If he'd got on with his job as a manager instead of trying to act all pally, the whole episode might never have happened.

[Scow]

Scowcroft, you are a master of Orwellian double-speak, a veritable doctor of Blairite spin, and an Harrodian purveyor of the finest nonsense to the gentry.

Your addled post pubescent mind has discovered the divide between 'statistics' and 'reality.' This is the most amazing news to the (now redundant) actuarial geeks who compile those worthless statistics commonly referred to as the LEAGUE TABLES (which are inconveniently rather real).

The tedious business of titles, promotions and relegations can now all be settled by bar room banter of the 'who deserved to win' variety instead of the cold, clinical system of awarding 'points.'

But while we're at it; why not go the whole hog and decide individual matches in the same way? Don't get me wrong - we can still have goals. It's just that how many you actually score (and concede) might not have any real bearing on the outcome.

This will be determined at the end of the game (or when the crowd deems they have seen enough) by two troupes of scantily clad demonstation dancers who will gather in the centre circle to reveal marks for 'technical ability' and 'artistic expression' stapled onto the front and the rear of their thongs.

Scowcroft, a word in your shell-like. Whenever you consider replying to one of my posts think about it long and hard, check it thoroughly and then have it peer reviewed.

And then forget the whole damn thing.

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Again, you avoid the points raised by drifting off to the inevitable drivel that characterises the majority of your posts.

James Walker/Oadby Fox/Chandler - You're losing grip you eccentric, withering old man...

[Chandler]

Lisa, there was I thinking that you were rational and then you go and spoil it all with this.

I've only been back an hour or so and I've got frostbite in my fingers so I'll be brief.

We can only hope.....

After a poor opening half dozen games under Adams, LCFC then took 11 points (automatic promo form) from their next six and climbed the table to eleventh spot.

Re. discipline. The player(s) you imply were drunk on matchdays I take it were Messrs Howey and Elliott (who I know turned up drunk for training under Taylor)? I'll let you into a little secret Lisa, a trade secret. Players sometimes do this deliberately to get themselves a move away.

Howey was here for 5 minutes, and he wanted to get away if your argument is correct. Why on earth would he want to do that if he was playing for the best manager this club has ever seen?

Re. La Manga. Nothing happened, there was no ill discipline. Some tarts lied, The Screws lied and some bent Spanish lawyers TRIED to run-off with the club's bail money (tried being the operative word - I alerted Tim to what was going on).

More libel and slander about Adams and La Mange has come from so called Leicester fans then ever came out about our administration from the whole nation. It was partly due to this fall-out (and some of the players lack of gratitude for his support) that morale sank so low during our pre season.

So stop repeating this shit.

The fact our players got themselves into this mess concerns not just myself, but a number of other City fans I've spoken to.

I've been to La Manga, I've been there whilst a Premiership side was using the facilities for their pre-season preparation. Were our nights out spoilt by rowdy footballers? No. Could we not get into bars because they were full of players and their sycophantic followers? No. Did we actually see any players out on the razz at all? No.

Of course Adams was going to support them. He knew he should have had the sense to stick a curfew on them. If he'd got on with his job as a manager instead of trying to act all pally, the whole episode might never have happened.

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Lisa,

Your prose may be of a higher standard than most on this board but you are just as naive as the majority on here.

Footballers have little loyalty to their team mates, managers and least of all to their clubs (the majority of them snigger at their clubs' fans and their obsessions). However they have great loyalty to their bank accounts. That is prinicpally why Howey got himself booted out - to get himself a better deal (he also wanted a move back north).

As for your misplaced crocodile tears over La Manga (no one reported LCFC players as being rowdy there by the way) I have two things to say about this.

Firstly, football fans generally care little for players' bad performances off the pitch provided they are performing well on it (and that's the real reason why the scumbags turned on Adams because we were losing the battle against relegation).

Secondly, I can't help remembering an earlier incident at the same resort involving a mixed race Brummie of sublime talent. Not only did he make a complete nuisance of himself to other guests but our backroom staff joined in the fun. The squad was sent home in disgrace. The divine ex manager couldn't be bothered to attend and sent the party out 'unsupervised.'

Our reaction? A bit of a hoot wasn't it? A jolly jape. Kept us in the public eye didn't it? No one likes us, we don't care sort of thing. Stan, manic depressive that he is needed to bond, to be understood, to let off the fire extinguishers. Many of us made sure we bought the commemorative T shirt.

Could the fact that we were eighth in the Prem and in a Worthington Cup final at the time have had anything to do with our LACK of reaction?

[SilverFox]

Lisa,

Your prose may be of a higher standard than most on this board but you are just as naive as the majority on here.

Footballers have little loyalty to their team mates, managers and least of all to their clubs (the majority of them snigger at their clubs' fans and their obsessions). However they have great loyalty to their bank accounts. That is prinicpally why Howey got himself booted out - to get himself a better deal (he also wanted a move back north).

As for your misplaced crocodile tears over La Manga (no one reported LCFC players as being rowdy there by the way) I have two things to say about this.

Firstly, football fans generally care little for players' bad performances off the pitch provided they are performing well on it (and that's the real reason why the scumbags turned on Adams because we were losing the battle against relegation).

Secondly, I can't help remembering an earlier incident at the same resort involving a mixed race Brummie of sublime talent. Not only did he make a complete nuisance of himself to other guests but our backroom staff joined in the fun. The squad was sent home in disgrace. The divine ex manager couldn't be bothered to attend and sent the party out 'unsupervised.'

Our reaction? A bit of a hoot wasn't it? A jolly jape. Kept us in the public eye didn't it? No one likes us, we don't care sort of thing. Stan, manic depressive that he is needed to bond, to be understood, to let off the fire extinguishers. Many of us made sure we bought the commemorative T shirt.

Could the fact that we were eighth in the Prem and in a Worthington Cup final at the time have had anything to do with our LACK of reaction?

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Sorry to say this but Micky Adams QUIT his job. The fan reaction was often not ideal but he had a choise and he exercised it!

Can you please try to live with that and focus on living in the present...I can see that past is a big thing for you but you are going to have to move on sooner or later. You can't still be harping on about Micky Adams in ten years?!?!?

CAN YOU?

[Chandler]

Silver Fox, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I am not on here to wax lyrical over Mr Adams. I am on here to wane mournfully over his replacement, one Craig Levein.

I deal in the hard currency of facts, Silver Fox. And facts are something that footer fans generally have scant regard for. One fact, in particular, Leicester boneheads choose to ignore is that we are currently languishing in P18 in the Championship. This position is termed an 'achievement' - a peculiar description of the form which has taken us from the 11th spot we occupied at the time of Adams' resignation.

The boneheads also rave about the SPL rejects and crocks that Levein is inflicting upon us when it is pretty obvious to the level headed (and any masochistic neutral) that two of the acquisitions are below standard and that the other maybe considered promising but lightweight. Not content with that, the boneheads then roar on encouragingly when word gets out he wants to sign the most obscure and unproven professionals in Britain.

We are constantly told that this dour, quiet, establishment figure is a 'motivator.' Anyone with the most elementary understanding of the human personality suspects this to be unlikely. There are things about him which we can be a little bit more sure of, however. One in particular. He underestimated the task of getting us out of this league.

Levein has probably got the best squad of players in the Championship. Yet we are sitting not so pretty near the bottom of the table. A team that used to revel on the road is now incapable of a league win outside the Walkers. Yet the boneheads insist that we are improving as we sink lower and lower.

Question: When will you all wake up?

Answer: When we're knocked out the cup.

[SilverFox]

Silver Fox, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I am not on here to wax lyrical over Mr Adams. I am on here to wane mournfully over his replacement, one Craig Levein.

I deal in the hard currency of facts, Silver Fox. And facts are something that footer fans generally have scant regard for. One fact, in particular, Leicester boneheads choose to ignore is that we are currently languishing in P18 in the Championship. This position is termed an 'achievement' - a peculiar description of the form which has taken us from the 11th spot we occupied at the time of Adams' resignation.

The boneheads also rave about the SPL rejects and crocks that Levein is inflicting upon us when it is pretty obvious to the level headed (and any masochistic neutral) that two of the acquisitions are below standard and that the other maybe considered promising but lightweight. Not content with that, the boneheads then roar on encouragingly when word gets out he wants to sign the most obscure and unproven professionals in Britain.

We are constantly told that this dour, quiet, establishment figure is a 'motivator.' Anyone with the most elementary understanding of the human personality suspects this to be unlikely. There are things about him which we can be a little bit more sure of, however. One in particular. He underestimated the task of getting us out of this league.

Levein has probably got the best squad of players in the Championship. Yet we are sitting not so pretty near the bottom of the table. A team that used to revel on the road is now incapable of a league win outside the Walkers. Yet the boneheads insist that we are improving as we sink lower and lower.

Question: When will you all wake up?

Answer: When we're knocked out the cup.

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Its a good argument you put forward. But I think the table is currently not reflecting the type of football we are playing. As a team we currently seem to play far better as a unit and are far more creative, as evidenced by the number of chances that went begging last night. The table is deceptive because our performances are better then our current position suggests.

Yes there are problems, and our current league position is one of them. I believe that we need to address this quickly and I also think it is within Leveins contemplation...starting with the obvious defensive (and centre forward) problems we have.

This is little to do with Levein because he does not have the benefit of having a squad on the pitch that you can adequately judge him by. He is in effect, being judged by you on the merits of what he has inherited. As I poetically put on another forum yesterday, 'you can't make a clay pot out of dog shit'.

I would say that in spite of this the football Levein has brought to the Leicester has been a superior product to his predecessor, the age of the team has took a tumble, and we look like a more potent force. What is needed is a little patience on both your part and my part. I am the type of person who doesn't like to wait for tomorrow and I dedicate myself fully to achieving results in everything I commit myself to...however, in respect of our club we need to be more patient. As a great poster put it, 'this is a complete re-building job, Levein isn't just re-decorating the living room'. Sadly it won't change overnight but I take comfort, as do many others on this forum that the signs of change are positive, and most are very pleased with the way we conduct ourselves on the pitch.

As for Leveins signings, I think they have been excellent so far. Maybury is far superior to any other defender we have, and Hughes looks like a clever little player who can only improve with time. DeVries is also far superior to any striker we have seen play for us this season. This is where your argument fails Chandler. The weak link isn't what we brought in but what we already have.

Yes the league is a problem, but Levein should be judged on the merits of his own team...something you will only be able to adequately do next season. We need to survive and re-build which will take time...this is not Leveins fault, it is the position his predecessor left him in.

[Nathan_Ellington_WAFC]

''the league table never lies''

make sure to watch the dukes goal on ssn

scowy, daniel etc, still think we will finish up int playoffs?

[Guest Daniel]

''the league table never lies''

make sure to watch the dukes goal on ssn

scowy, daniel etc, still think we will finish up int playoffs?

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Yep.

Ipswich and Sunderland automatic.

[Bert]

did you go to watch "your team" play tonight WAFC??

[SilverFox]

Correct it doesn't...but it also doesn't reflect how we have improved. Until we have someone who can stick it in the net, and someone at the other end who can call themselves a competent centre half, it won't!

I'm not bothered about this season anymore though. We need to win enough to survive and then we'll trade places with you in the premiership next season Wiganboy.

I have noticed that you never post when your team loses...shows your lack of charecter. You can't take it on the chin!

[Nathan_Ellington_WAFC]

no bert i didnt

problem?

[Guest Daniel]

no bert i didnt

problem?

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Call yourself a fan?

[Nathan_Ellington_WAFC]

coming from someone who decided not to go to matches because of some reason i cant remember, dont deny it, because i know you did

the coaches left at 3.30, bit hard when i finish college at 5

why am i explaining myself to you lot, we're going up, you're not!

[Bert]

i aint denyin anything, but at least your loyal to your club.

ive been every game this season except 1 and all beacuse my m8 got banned from driving

[Nathan_Ellington_WAFC]

i was talking to daniel about that bit.

[Bert]

why didint u quote him thn? but he's stil more loyal than you, ur on the verge of going up and you don't get to the games this is supposed to be the best part of the season for u lot, whereas nearly evry1 on here go and watch their team in lingering above the relagation zone every wk

[Nathan_Ellington_WAFC]

think what you like burt, i'm not the one who spat my dummy out and refused to watch my team

my college work is more important, as i'm actually doing something with my life

so you're saying i should go to every game? what if i cant always afford it?

i dont live off my parents like some on here