Fox in a Box Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 Somewhat ironically the day after Dennis Wise made an appearance at Leicester, the PFA chief Gordon Taylor has finally recognised that employment law does apply to footballers. Following the disgraceful fight between team colleagues Lee Bowyer and Kieron Dyer, Taylor was interviewed on BBC Five Live Sportsweek programme about the incident and stated “The sack is always open to an employer if employee behaviour has gone on that is gross mis-conduct and nobody can say it’s not gross mis-conduct to fight on the pitch†While it is good to see the penny has finally dropped at the PFA about footballers needing to act like any other employee it seems strange that Taylor has referred to fighting on the pitch, which has been witnessed several times per season in most years normally albeit normally between opposing players. What all Leicester City fans would like to know is why Taylor, or anybody else at the PFA, didn’t produce this kind of statement when Wise broke a fellow professionals jaw in a pre-meditated attack well away from any pitch. If they had taken that stance at the time, the length of time wasted on a wrongful dismissal case should have been avoided. If Taylor does ever appear at the Walkers Stadium, the Trust will not miss the opportunity to ask him
breadandcheese Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 The problem in Leicester's case was that they had already taken disciplinary action against Wise by fining him 2 weeks wages for the incident. Thus to then sack him after having fined him is in breach of employment law i.e. you cannot punish him twice. Yes, it is stupid. Any self-respecting decent person would see that Wise should have been convicted of assault, let alone be sacked. However, employment law is an ass, decided by judges and lawyers with little concept of business.
Louise Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 I think the problem is that Gordan Taylor after the Wise incident basically said the only reason we'd sacked him was to get out of paying his wages and that he didn't think players should be sacked, now he says that they can be sacked if they display 'gross-misconduct'. Like punching someone in the face say, and breaking their jaw? Presumably he's only changed his mind because this event happened in front of millions of people and made a much bigger story.
roger54 Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular.
davieG Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] So why wasn't he supporting and fighting on behalf of Calum Davidison, the innocent party, who was brutally assaulted?
Steven Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] Helping to kill the game is not helping his players. He is gut wrenchingly awful.
breadandcheese Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] Helping to kill the game is not helping his players. He is gut wrenchingly awful. 87519[/snapback] It is not surprising when you consider his role. As head of the PFA he represents his members, and it is the members who determine the head of their trade union. Therefore, it is unsurprising that Gordon Taylor would do anything that could jeopardise his wage and livelihood (would love to know how much he earns). Consequently, he will only criticise players if there is a big media commotion and it is backed by the majority of footballers within the game. Thus, he knows he is safe to criticise two team-mates fighting each other on the pitch in front of fans (if it was on the streets, arrests could result). However, he feels unsure when it comes to criticising players for antics off the pitch, or behind closed doors (such as Dennis Wise's attack on a sleeping Callum Davidson). My point is that Gordon Taylor will not do anything to jeopardise himself. Thus any of his actions will be dictated by PFA members' reactions from within the game and not from any sense of decency in trying to safe-guard football for the fans.
BartonFox Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] 675k a year that little weasel gets paid from the PFA and they have taken the decision to reduce investment in grass roots football He is a toe-rag of the highest order and is only ever heard when he deems the case high profile. If it had been Davidson breaking the 'media-villains' jaw I bet you he'd have pushed for Davidson to be sacked. Gordon Taylor - cancer in football.
Steven Posted 4 April 2005 Posted 4 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] 675k a year that little weasel gets paid from the PFA and they have taken the decision to reduce investment in grass roots football He is a toe-rag of the highest order and is only ever heard when he deems the case high profile. If it had been Davidson breaking the 'media-villains' jaw I bet you he'd have pushed for Davidson to be sacked. Gordon Taylor - cancer in football. 87579[/snapback] Gordon Taylor - malignant cancer in football. In case anyone was in any doubt.
TrickyTrev Posted 5 April 2005 Posted 5 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] 675k a year that little weasel gets paid from the PFA and they have taken the decision to reduce investment in grass roots football He is a toe-rag of the highest order and is only ever heard when he deems the case high profile. If it had been Davidson breaking the 'media-villains' jaw I bet you he'd have pushed for Davidson to be sacked. Gordon Taylor - cancer in football. 87579[/snapback] It is not a trade unions job to invest in grass roots football, that would be the FA's responsibility.
TrickyTrev Posted 5 April 2005 Posted 5 April 2005 It is Gordon Taylor's job to support players and fight their cause whatever the situation. Nobody needs a trade union when everything is going well, but they are vital in preventing unfair treatment of workers and Taylor would not be earning his money if he did not atleast attempt to defend footballers in any given situation. I respect him for doing a very difficult and vitalling imnportant job that will always make him unpopular. 87496[/snapback] So why wasn't he supporting and fighting on behalf of Calum Davidison, the innocent party, who was brutally assaulted? 87515[/snapback] If Callum Davidson had wannted money for medical care or money to launch criminal charges I am certain that the PFA would have funded both players. It is their obligation and is what the players pay them for. I obviously agree Taylor was wrong int his case, but he was only answering to one of his paymasters.
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