TrickyTrev Posted 12 April 2005 Posted 12 April 2005 Not good enough. He is not composed in front of goal and does not have the physical attributes, either pace or strength, to pose a threat to defenders. 92052[/snapback] He's our biggest threat though! Don't know if that says most about Connolly or De Vries!! 92068[/snapback] Without penalites his scorig record would be abysmal. I really don't see him as a threat at all, he rarely gets into the right areas and when he does he looks nervous.
Ric Flair Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 Not good enough. He is not composed in front of goal and does not have the physical attributes, either pace or strength, to pose a threat to defenders. 92052[/snapback] He's our biggest threat though! Don't know if that says most about Connolly or De Vries!! 92068[/snapback] Without penalites his scorig record would be abysmal. I really don't see him as a threat at all, he rarely gets into the right areas and when he does he looks nervous. 92084[/snapback] Explain to me his 42 goal in 65 games for Wimbledon then. His 9 goals for Ireland, which isn't bad as he's been sub most of the time. Enlighten me in to how he fluked 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. I'd be keen to hear how he hudwinked goalies that many times if he's so unatural in front of goal.
Steven Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 Explain to me his 42 goal in 65 games for Wimbledon then. His 9 goals for Ireland, which isn't bad as he's been sub most of the time. Enlighten me in to how he fluked 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. I'd be keen to hear how he hudwinked goalies that many times. 92161[/snapback] I cannot explain the goals for Wimbledon but it has been known for a player to score shedfuls at one Club and never be able to reproduce that anywhere else. I can however explain the 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team, that was on loan to a side one league below the top level in the Netherlands, the same league that a certain Mark de Vries plied his trade in before CL plucked him from obscurity.
Ric Flair Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 Explain to me his 42 goal in 65 games for Wimbledon then. His 9 goals for Ireland, which isn't bad as he's been sub most of the time. Enlighten me in to how he fluked 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. I'd be keen to hear how he hudwinked goalies that many times. 92161[/snapback] I cannot explain the goals for Wimbledon but it has been known for a player to score shedfuls at one Club and never be able to reproduce that anywhere else. I can however explain the 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team, that was on loan to a side one league below the top level in the Netherlands, the same league that a certain Mark de Vries plied his trade in before CL plucked him from obscurity. 92164[/snapback] Still though 32 goals is a good return. You can only beat the teams that are put in front of you. More than a goal a game at any professional level is good going so I still stand by my opinion on Connolly. I guarantee if he left Leicester he'll score for fun again, it embarasses me what we've reduced him to as a player.
Scow Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 I honestly think that penalty miss at Derby had a huge effect on him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, if he had converted that penalty, then I'm sure he would have had a more productive season in front of goal. A lack of confidence in a player can be underestimated, it plays a signficant part in a players performance.
Steven Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 I honestly think that penalty miss at Derby had a huge effect on him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, if he had converted that penalty, then I'm sure he would have had a more productive season in front of goal. A lack of confidence in a player can be underestimated, it plays a signficant part in a players performance. 92194[/snapback] Good players aren't brittle mentally.
Scow Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 I honestly think that penalty miss at Derby had a huge effect on him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, if he had converted that penalty, then I'm sure he would have had a more productive season in front of goal. A lack of confidence in a player can be underestimated, it plays a signficant part in a players performance. 92194[/snapback] Good players aren't brittle mentally. 92208[/snapback] You can be mentally strong and still lack confidence, Steven.
TrickyTrev Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 Not good enough. He is not composed in front of goal and does not have the physical attributes, either pace or strength, to pose a threat to defenders. 92052[/snapback] He's our biggest threat though! Don't know if that says most about Connolly or De Vries!! 92068[/snapback] Without penalites his scorig record would be abysmal. I really don't see him as a threat at all, he rarely gets into the right areas and when he does he looks nervous. 92084[/snapback] Explain to me his 42 goal in 65 games for Wimbledon then. His 9 goals for Ireland, which isn't bad as he's been sub most of the time. Enlighten me in to how he fluked 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. I'd be keen to hear how he hudwinked goalies that many times if he's so unatural in front of goal. 92161[/snapback] I would have thought that lower league Dutch football is a very poor standard as they have semi-pressional clubs in their premierleague. 9 goals for Ireland may be doing alright but it is hardly setting the world alight is it? He was not prolific at either watford or Feyernoord (where he had limited oppurtunities) and even at West Ham I think he only scored one goal after boxing day last season. Wimbledon is the only club he has ever socred goals fro prolificly in this country and I am left thinking it is a bit of an annomyly. I want to be wrong but I just don't see a great player when i see him play.
step Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 We can only judge Connelly from the evidence we have seen here and to-date I don’t think we have seen anything that gives me the confidence that he will score enough goals next season. I wish someone could explain to me how he scored 42 in 65, 9 for Ireland and 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. Because looking at his current form, I just can’t see it and IMO it is way to risky to go into next season expecting Connelly to perform miracles. I am not saying Connelly should move on, I would just hate to go through another season hoping and waiting for a player to start scoring. Remember PT and AA and what that cost us.
Steven Posted 13 April 2005 Posted 13 April 2005 We can only judge Connelly from the evidence we have seen here and to-date I don’t think we have seen anything that gives me the confidence that he will score enough goals next season. I wish someone could explain to me how he scored 42 in 65, 9 for Ireland and 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. Because looking at his current form, I just can’t see it and IMO it is way to risky to go into next season expecting Connelly to perform miracles. I am not saying Connelly should move on, I would just hate to go through another season hoping and waiting for a player to start scoring. Remember PT and AA and what that cost us. 92451[/snapback] This I think is spot on. I am hoping that we will stop relying on Connolly because as you say it is way too risky to wait for a player to come good. We need to have confidence that whomsoever is designated as a goalscorer for us can hit the ground running. My worry is that we give "someone" time (could be MDV or Connolly) and they never come good and we end up in the same situation as now. CL needs to be ruthless and if that means keeping or dumping someone sobeit.
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 Not good enough. He is not composed in front of goal and does not have the physical attributes, either pace or strength, to pose a threat to defenders. 92052[/snapback] He's our biggest threat though! Don't know if that says most about Connolly or De Vries!! 92068[/snapback] Without penalites his scorig record would be abysmal. I really don't see him as a threat at all, he rarely gets into the right areas and when he does he looks nervous. 92084[/snapback] Explain to me his 42 goal in 65 games for Wimbledon then. His 9 goals for Ireland, which isn't bad as he's been sub most of the time. Enlighten me in to how he fluked 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. I'd be keen to hear how he hudwinked goalies that many times if he's so unatural in front of goal. 92161[/snapback] I would have thought that lower league Dutch football is a very poor standard as they have semi-pressional clubs in their premierleague. 9 goals for Ireland may be doing alright but it is hardly setting the world alight is it? He was not prolific at either watford or Feyernoord (where he had limited oppurtunities) and even at West Ham I think he only scored one goal after boxing day last season. Wimbledon is the only club he has ever socred goals fro prolificly in this country and I am left thinking it is a bit of an annomyly. I want to be wrong but I just don't see a great player when i see him play. 92340[/snapback] As i've said before though, if you score 32 goals in 30 games for any club you've done well. Now i'll guarantee you that the Dutch team he was playing for are atleast as good as any team in League One in England or even the Championship. So if there was a player in any of these two leagues in England that had scored 32 goals then I guarantee that every Leicester fan would welcome him here. The club was FC Excelsior and he was a legend there. If you score more than a goal a game at any level to a certain extent then your a natural goalscorer and if you then go on to repeat that at your next club (Wimbledon) with a very respectable scoring rate of a goal every 1.4 matches. It's obvious this was his peak as a footballer and he's since lost his form, but even so i'd like to see you suggest a striker for the same money as we paid for Connolly under the age of 28 with a better history than Connolly has got. Granted, we can't rely on what he's done in the past but he is a natural goalscorer and he'll find his form trust me. We don't supply him with enough passes and when we have done he's often missed channces which has affected him. What he needs is chance after chance and he'll start scoring, once that happens he'll be more clinical, trust me. The whole of the Leicester team has under performed this season and if the midfield can't get the ball in to the strikers any striker will struggle here. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Dublin, Connolly, Scowcroft, Blake, de Vries, Wright and Benjamin have all failed to score frequently this season. Now the easy answer to that is 'that it's because they are all shit' but there are alot of strikers worse than them playing in the championship who have scored more than them put together this season!! Well that's a slight exageration, but I do think our problems stem from the whole team not just from our strikers. PS Connolly played on the right wing at West Ham for alot of the season and scored 14 goals that season. Also bud, he scored 6 goals after boxing day, so i'm not sure where the '1 goal since boxing day came from' PPS Connolly scored 15 goals in 24 starts and 10 substitute appearances for Watford, which seems a pretty good record to me in your first season as a footballer. As for his record at Feyenoord he hardly played for them, which is why he's at Leicester and not a bigger club. I'll vouch for Connolly, he'll come good. Everyone has their opinions, but with the situation we are in we should be pleased we've got a striker of Connolly's calibre.
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 We can only judge Connelly from the evidence we have seen here and to-date I don’t think we have seen anything that gives me the confidence that he will score enough goals next season. I wish someone could explain to me how he scored 42 in 65, 9 for Ireland and 32 goals in 30 games for some Dutch team. Because looking at his current form, I just can’t see it and IMO it is way to risky to go into next season expecting Connelly to perform miracles. I am not saying Connelly should move on, I would just hate to go through another season hoping and waiting for a player to start scoring. Remember PT and AA and what that cost us. 92451[/snapback] To put Connolly and Akinbiyi's name in the same sentance is the equivalent of murder. Your lucky your not in Belmarsh mate.
Guest Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 To put Connolly and Akinbiyi's name in the same sentance is the equivalent of murder. Your lucky your not in Belmarsh mate. 92557[/snapback] Why? Both players tried their hardest on the pitch, with little return. Surely it's only natural for people to compare the two?
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 To put Connolly and Akinbiyi's name in the same sentance is the equivalent of murder. Your lucky your not in Belmarsh mate. 92557[/snapback] Why? Both players tried their hardest on the pitch, with little return. Surely it's only natural for people to compare the two? 92559[/snapback] Fred West and the person who built your house were both builders but would you put them in the same category?
dynamite foxes Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 We should keep him as a third striker and make he earn his place. The problem was that Adams built him up saying he could easily score 20 goals, but there is no competition for his place. I think he needs a rocket up his arse, like dropping him for a few games, we need to make him sweat for his place. I still would have my doubts though, He is not quick or strong and he is not skillful and panicks in front of goal, I don't see how he can have scored goals. He might be a useful last 20 minutes player, but at the moment I do not see it. I think we need 2 new strikers next season, one hopefully Boyd and the other i don't know. I don't see this Sturm coming off, but he is probably worth a gamble and I have faith in CL.
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 We should keep him as a third striker and make he earn his place. The problem was that Adams built him up saying he could easily score 20 goals, but there is no competition for his place. I think he needs a rocket up his arse, like dropping him for a few games, we need to make him sweat for his place. I still would have my doubts though, He is not quick or strong and he is not skillful and panicks in front of goal, I don't see how he can have scored goals. He might be a useful last 20 minutes player, but at the moment I do not see it. I think we need 2 new strikers next season, one hopefully Boyd and the other i don't know. I don't see this Sturm coming off, but he is probably worth a gamble and I have faith in CL. 92580[/snapback] How can you say that about Connolly and then mention a striker who is completely unproven at this level. If your going to slate Connolly and question his ability atleast name a striker who has the credentials to score regularly in this league. Boyd might be able to cut it here, but we can't afford to take a big risk. We've struggled this season and if Connolly is deemed not good enough then we need a cast iron scorer, not a player who's done alright from the SPL.
Steven Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 Connolly returns to Feyenoord - December 12, 2000David Connolly could is to have one more chance to prove himself at Feyenoord after the Dutch league leaders recalled the Irish international from his loan spell with feeder club Excelsior. Connolly became the highest-paid player in the Dutch league when he secured a dream move from Watford to Feyenoord but quickly it all went wrong. Connolly was signed by manager Ari Haan but by the start of the season Haan was sacked and Leo Beenhakker took charge of team affairs. From the outset Beenhakker didn't fancy Connolly and the player became frozen out at the club. After just one appearance Connolly was loaned out first to Wolves and then to Feyenoord's feeder club, Excelsior, where he scored 29 goals in his first season. Now Connolly's goal exploits in the current campaign with Excelsior have convinced Feyenoord to recall him. David has scored 16 goals in 19 games,including thirteen in the Dutch Toto Division which have lifted Excelsior to the top of the table. Feyenoord - currently leading the Dutch top division - have decided to try and harness some of this form in front of goal so instead of calling him back after the winter break as expected they have decided to bring him back straight away. A Feyenoord spokesman said Connolly would stay at the De Kuip at leats until the end of his current contract this summer.
Guest Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 To put Connolly and Akinbiyi's name in the same sentance is the equivalent of murder. Your lucky your not in Belmarsh mate. 92557[/snapback] Why? Both players tried their hardest on the pitch, with little return. Surely it's only natural for people to compare the two? 92559[/snapback] Fred West and the person who built your house were both builders but would you put them in the same category? 92563[/snapback] As builders, yes.
Nationwider Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 Fred West and the person who built your house were both builders but would you put them in the same category? 92563[/snapback] As builders, yes. 92613[/snapback] The builder that built my house got away with murder - terrible floorboards. Think he subcontracted the plastering to Stevie Wonder, too.
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 To put Connolly and Akinbiyi's name in the same sentance is the equivalent of murder. Your lucky your not in Belmarsh mate. 92557[/snapback] Why? Both players tried their hardest on the pitch, with little return. Surely it's only natural for people to compare the two? 92559[/snapback] Fred West and the person who built your house were both builders but would you put them in the same category? 92563[/snapback] As builders, yes. 92613[/snapback] But categorising them as the same is a little wrong Lisa. I would expect better from you. Ade Akinbiyi has never and will never be a patch on David Connolly, even you have got to admit that. If not, then I seriously suspect your judgement of football players in general.
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 Connolly returns to Feyenoord - December 12, 2000David Connolly could is to have one more chance to prove himself at Feyenoord after the Dutch league leaders recalled the Irish international from his loan spell with feeder club Excelsior. Connolly became the highest-paid player in the Dutch league when he secured a dream move from Watford to Feyenoord but quickly it all went wrong. Connolly was signed by manager Ari Haan but by the start of the season Haan was sacked and Leo Beenhakker took charge of team affairs. From the outset Beenhakker didn't fancy Connolly and the player became frozen out at the club. After just one appearance Connolly was loaned out first to Wolves and then to Feyenoord's feeder club, Excelsior, where he scored 29 goals in his first season. Now Connolly's goal exploits in the current campaign with Excelsior have convinced Feyenoord to recall him. David has scored 16 goals in 19 games,including thirteen in the Dutch Toto Division which have lifted Excelsior to the top of the table. Feyenoord - currently leading the Dutch top division - have decided to try and harness some of this form in front of goal so instead of calling him back after the winter break as expected they have decided to bring him back straight away. A Feyenoord spokesman said Connolly would stay at the De Kuip at leats until the end of his current contract this summer. 92611[/snapback] A good find there Steven and some serious scoring there from Connolly. Tricky Trev's analysis on him is being undone as we speak. God knows where he got the '1 goal since boxing day' fact from and that he didn't score many for Watford in the games he played. Connolly only played about 10 games for Feyenoord, so again you can hardly question his record there.
Nationwider Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 I think the vote is fairly conclusive, and I think CL will concur. 1 - He's a good player. 2 - He's not scored enough goals, for a variety of reasons. 3 - Despite point 2, we're in no position to get rid of players who come under the heading of point 1.
Steven Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 God knows where he got the '1 goal since boxing day' fact from and that he didn't score many for Watford in the games he played. Connolly only played about 10 games for Feyenoord, so again you can hardly question his record there. 92631[/snapback] The truth is that he scored 4 goals (2 pen) in the League and 2 in the FA Cup for West Ham after Boxing Day 2003.
Guest Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 But categorising them as the same is a little wrong Lisa. I would expect better from you. Ade Akinbiyi has never and will never be a patch on David Connolly, even you have got to admit that. If not, then I seriously suspect your judgement of football players in general. 92628[/snapback] You're asking for categorisation on a professional level, therefore both are builders. Just because on probably goes home to his wife and kids, reads his paper, has his tea, then watches TV whilst the other is a very sick bastard doesn't detract from that fact. Similarly, Akinbiyi and Connolly are forwards who couldn't hit a barn door from 10ft, both appear to me to be confidence players, and they both are hard-working players, however ineffective. Just because one cost £5,000,000 and the other £500,000, doesn't justify villifying the more expensive one. It is quite clear you're a big fan of Connolly, and fair play to you. I can't say I am a fan of his, nor Akinbiyi. I think neither player was or is right for this club. I am just waiting for Conners to prove me wrong, which for once, I'd be very happy about!!
Ric Flair Posted 14 April 2005 Posted 14 April 2005 But categorising them as the same is a little wrong Lisa. I would expect better from you. Ade Akinbiyi has never and will never be a patch on David Connolly, even you have got to admit that. If not, then I seriously suspect your judgement of football players in general. 92628[/snapback] You're asking for categorisation on a professional level, therefore both are builders. Just because on probably goes home to his wife and kids, reads his paper, has his tea, then watches TV whilst the other is a very sick bastard doesn't detract from that fact. Similarly, Akinbiyi and Connolly are forwards who couldn't hit a barn door from 10ft, both appear to me to be confidence players, and they both are hard-working players, however ineffective. Just because one cost £5,000,000 and the other £500,000, doesn't justify villifying the more expensive one. It is quite clear you're a big fan of Connolly, and fair play to you. I can't say I am a fan of his, nor Akinbiyi. I think neither player was or is right for this club. I am just waiting for Conners to prove me wrong, which for once, I'd be very happy about!! 92651[/snapback] I still think that comparing him to Akinbiyi is disgusting though. Your reasons add up fairly, but if you asked anyone involved in football they would tell you David Connolly is a hell of alot better than Akinbiyi. My opinion doesn't come in to it really, I rate Connolly but he certainly doesn't bowl me over when I watch him. I just know that he's a million times better than that piece of shit we had in Akinbiyi and he's better than all our other current strikers. Time is a great healer and obviously people have forgotten how disgarceful Ade Akinbiyi was.
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