If there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

[Head Honcho]

I would vote for any party committed to (among other things):

- disband that costly political joke called the "EU" (particularly the euro and the tighter integration measures) and go back to independent sovereign states

- seriously fight against multinationals (ideally ban them altogether)

- remove GM stuff from the UK, as we already said earlier we didn't want it (!)

- introduce much tighter regulations for the use of pesticides and fines for abusing the system

- get pharmaceutical companies to do their own research (instead of its early stages being paid by charities like cancer research) and also to report truthfully about their findings, pay for any damage caused, particularly when negligence is evident, and pay for getting rid of any of their medications (and no, flushing down the loo is NOT acceptable, particularly if done by major hospitals or research centres).

- fight for our health and wellbeing (including increasing recycling, ban fluoridation everywhere, get companies to pay for disposing of their own garbage and this includes pharmaceutical companies)

Where are we going to find someone like that

The Green Party then

[Guest Bilo]

Look at the jugs on that.

Mmmmmotorboat!

[Guest Bilo]

Well basically cause I know nothing about what they stand for... it's very unclear at the best of times what any of them stand for but the Lib Dem's have always just been seen as the tag alongs behind Labour and the Tory's... perhaps it is time to take a serious look at what they all stand for and see who is best... but that is very difficult.

Somebody in politics once said that the Lib Dems stand for nothing and oppose everything so you wouldn't be the only one to be unaware of what they actually stand for.

I'd vote for the bird with the biggest tits.

Didn't know you read The Sun Dags.

[Fosse Boy]

Mmmmmotorboat!

That emoticon just isn't green enough at times like this...

[Daggers]

..............maybe all the labour voters have been hard at work in the 44 minutes since you started the thread instead of procrastinating online in their company's time

Maybe if we all knuckled down at work instead of wasting time online the country would start to fix itself!

[Guest Bilo]

That emoticon just isn't green enough at times like this...

That better for you Dave?

[Fosse Boy]

That better for you Dave?

That'll do nicely.

[BoneDog]

Look at the jugs on that.

I've pulled me pud at least 3 times thinking of Ann. (not today, in the past)

[Guest Bilo]

I've pulled me pud at least 3 times thinking of Ann. (not today, in the past)

Jerkin' the gherkin over Widdecombe's merkin. Classy stuff.

[Fosse Boy]

Jerkin' the gherkin over Widdecombe's merkin. Classy stuff.

OK, now seems an appropriate time in the game to play this card.

[Guest Bilo]

OK, now seems an appropriate time in the game to play this card.

That needs to be added as a new emoticon for the most disgusting moments in FT.

[BoneDog]

Jerkin' the gherkin over Widdecombe's merkin. Classy stuff.

I loved it when she went blonde. It got me right goin!

[Thracian]

In terms of voting for the Labour Party I find it hard to consider it a serious question at least for people who are prepared to keep an open mind on the subject.

Okay I know some people have been brought up in such a way that voting for the so-called party of the working class is as much a part of their instinct as eating, drinking, breathing and sleeping.

And some, of course, will continue to ignore or deny the many problems caused by or in pursuit of supposedly protective socialism.

But, with the jobess total passing two million now even though the system will never record them all, with 3 million OOW being the predicted figure in a year's time, with the most anti-white, divisive and discriminatory government I have ever known (even the worst ones previously have never been all three!) I don't know why any Englishman would consider voting Labour. Even the working class have been mostly shit on.

But it's not only Labour's policies. It's the hypocrisy, the sleeze, the self-serving manipulation or ignoring of the rules to their own ends, the backhanders taken, the inevitable return of shamed politicians, the totally irresponsibly way they have loaded future generations with a mountain of debts that will never be cleared and so many other things.

And on top of all that it is the total lack of sincerity they show for dealing with the consequences of people who have lost their savings and their jobs on the altar of socialist idealism, poor administratiion and misguided decision-making as emphasised by the fact that they continue to tax at unprecedented levels and propose even now to hit people with still higher fuel taxes.

The Labour government has been a catastrophe for England and I would pretty well prefer any serious party as an alternative not because they would necessarily do well but because they would surely do less harm.

Great effort is made by representatives of Labour, in various forms, to discredit other parties and, in particular the BNP but the reality is that the BNP have no chance of being elected and the Labour Party have every chance.

Yet there's some in the Labour Party who are a far greater threat to the well being of England than anyone in the BNP will ever have the chance to be. And that is the real threat to our future and, indeed the very entity that is England.

You can have supposedly respectable parties representing the Welsh Nationalists and Scottish Nationalists but the BNP is villified, often unjustly, and far from particularly wanting to vote Conservative I would much rather see the rise of an English National Party - an enlightened party which would truly represent a way forward for England and the millions of people from so many cultures who live here.

A party that would genuinely serve those people instead of themselves, care responsibly for their welfare, inspire them to be the best they can, end the "something-for-nothing" and "can't do" culture, respect and reward achievement and stop us being ridiculed as an administrative soft touch the world over.

A party too that would govern for all people fairly and without favour rather than a party that continually seeks to gain favour by playing one class and one colour against another, again, for its own benefit.

[stez]

In terms of voting for the Labour Party I find it hard to consider it a serious question at least for people who are prepared to keep an open mind on the subject.

Okay I know some people have been brought up in such a way that voting for the so-called party of the working class is as much a part of their instinct as eating, drinking, breathing and sleeping.

And some, of course, will continue to ignore or deny the many problems caused by or in pursuit of supposedly protective socialism.

But, with the jobess total passing two million now even though the system will never record them all, with 3 million OOW being the predicted figure in a year's time, with the most anti-white, divisive and discriminatory government I have ever known (even the worst ones previously have never been all three!) I don't know why any Englishman would consider voting Labour. Even the working class have been mostly shit on.

But it's not only Labour's policies. It's the hypocrisy, the sleeze, the self-serving manipulation or ignoring of the rules to their own ends, the backhanders taken, the inevitable return of shamed politicians, the totally irresponsibly way they have loaded future generations with a mountain of debts that will never be cleared and so many other things.

And on top of all that it is the total lack of sincerity they show for dealing with the consequences of people who have lost their savings and their jobs on the altar of socialist idealism, poor administratiion and misguided decision-making as emphasised by the fact that they continue to tax at unprecedented levels and propose even now to hit people with still higher fuel taxes.

The Labour government has been a catastrophe for England and I would pretty well prefer any serious party as an alternative not because they would necessarily do well but because they would surely do less harm.

Great effort is made by representatives of Labour, in various forms, to discredit other parties and, in particular the BNP but the reality is that the BNP have no chance of being elected and the Labour Party have every chance.

Yet there's some in the Labour Party who are a far greater threat to the well being of England than anyone in the BNP will ever have the chance to be. And that is the real threat to our future and, indeed the very entity that is England.

You can have supposedly respectable parties representing the Welsh Nationalists and Scottish Nationalists but the BNP is villified, often unjustly, and far from particularly wanting to vote Conservative I would much rather see the rise of an English National Party - an enlightened party which would truly represent a way forward for England and the millions of people from so many cultures who live here.

A party that would genuinely serve those people instead of themselves, care responsibly for their welfare, inspire them to be the best they can, end the "something-for-nothing" and "can't do" culture, respect and reward achievement and stop us being ridiculed as an administrative soft touch the world over.

A party too that would govern for all people fairly and without favour rather than a party that continually seeks to gain favour by playing one class and one colour against another, again, for its own benefit.

that would be wonderful! sadly the middle class will always think the scrounging, lazy, working class are doing nothing to deserve their tax credits. the middle class will always think they're being hard done by (which in some ways they are) the upper class/rich class will not want to redistribute any of the wealth, the working and middle classes have helped them (in the main) to build up. the working class will always think the immigrants are doing them out of work and homes.

also generalisations are always wrong

before you go on the defensive, i'm not having a pop at you, so chill out before you post a tome thinking i've wronged you somehow.

[Thracian]

that would be wonderful! sadly the middle class will always think the scrounging, lazy, working class are doing nothing to deserve their tax credits. the middle class will always think they're being hard done by (which in some ways they are) the upper class/rich class will not want to redistribute any of the wealth, the working and middle classes have helped them (in the main) to build up. the working class will always think the immigrants are doing them out of work and homes.

also generalisations are always wrong

before you go on the defensive, i'm not having a pop at you, so chill out before you post a tome thinking i've wronged you somehow.

I've not argue with the genalisations you use to make your point.

Indeed, if true they only emphasise the desperate need for the sort of political party I mention.

And there's no need to harbour a sense of hopelessness about the prospect of changing so many long-held prejudices.

If people can be persuaded to sit back and blandly accept the sort of shit they've been bombarded with in recent years even pursuading people that night was day should be a doddle.

[Thracian]

While thinking of who to vote for in the next election it might be prudent to consider the latest employment, or unemployment, figures released by the independent Office of National Statistics.

As today opened with news that a 12-year record high of over TWO MILLION British people were now umemployed, figures also showed that the number of foreign workers in Britain had INCREASED by 175,000 to 2.4 million over the past 12 months...with the number of British workers IN employment falling by 234,000 over that period.

How indefensible is that under a government that preaches against unfairness and non-discrimination or who's supporters claim they are not anti-white.

It's totally indefensible and guess who's pissed off.

None other than that paragon of British politics, Leicester's own Keith Vaz, Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee who, angry about release of the figures, told The Times this morning that he was afraid the figures might be “be misconstrued or misused by those who do not support the view that Britain should be a diverse and multicultural society,”

And isn't that just another reason why Labour are too disgusting to vote for.

If they don't want you to read something or don't think you'll interpret it as they'd wish their instinct is to keep it hidden and avoid being answerable.

They simply have no honour.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle5712634.ece

[Ultra]

I disagree with KV on many things, as he well knows.

But on this issue, he's absolutely spot-on.

The timing of this release to coincide with the worst unemployment figures in over a decade does not appear to be an accident. The person responsible should be asked to explain why it happened.

And by the way, here's one part of the article which wasn't quoted.

Gordon Brown told the Commons: “Despite all the figures that are bandied about today and on other days, the percentage of non-UK nationals employed in the United Kingdom is 8 per cent and it is lower than many other countries that people compare us with.”

The idea, propagated by the BNP and their media mouthpieces, that the UK is a "soft touch" for immigrants has very little basis in reality.

And to describe the current government as "anti-white" is dangerous paranoia.

[Thracian]

I disagree with KV on many things, as he well knows.

But on this issue, he's absolutely spot-on.

The timing of this release to coincide with the worst unemployment figures in over a decade does not appear to be an accident. The person responsible should be asked to explain why it happened.

And by the way, here's one part of the article which wasn't quoted.

The idea, propagated by the BNP and their media mouthpieces, that the UK is a "soft touch" for immigrants has very little basis in reality.

And to describe the current government as "anti-white" is dangerous paranoia.

The percentage is irrelevent. Eight per cent of a lot is an enormous amount and for more foreigners to be employed than there are natives out of work is a disgrace and shows Gordon Brown's comment about British jobs for British workers to be more of his usual bullshit.

I stand by both of the last two comments and as for Keith Vaz, words are wasted.