Ric Flair Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 I'm bored and was just checking out the stats of Joachim and Heskey. Both have exactly the same goals to games ratio. So who would you rather have? Julian Joachim in his peak or Emile Heskey? Both were superb at times for us, but for me Julian was unstoppable when he first burst on to the scene for us.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Joachim but he was playing in the Second Division/First Division/Championship for most of his time with us, whereas Heskey only really played half a season down there. The sheer buzz of excitement around Filbo whenever Joachim picked the ball up just inside the opponents half and ran for goal edges it for me. He wasn't bad in the Premiership in 94/95 either, especially at the start of the season (Tottenham at home springs to mind). Nobody else since has created the same buzz just by picking up possession. He made things happen. Those goals against Barnsley, Portsmouth and Millwall... a joy to watch and somewhat of a wasted talent.
Nationwider Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Oooh. Good post. JUUUUUULIAN or BRUUUUUUNO??!! You've made me think of that play-off goal by Joachim at the Sh1tty Ground v Pompey. Lightning fast. However, I'm going to go for Heskey. When he's got his pecker up (metaphorically speaking), he's a complete menace and can really pull a defence apart.
Ric Flair Posted 19 May 2005 Author Posted 19 May 2005 Joachim but he was playing in the Second Division/First Division/Championship for most of his time with us, whereas Heskey only really played half a season down there. The sheer buzz of excitement around Filbo whenever Joachim picked the ball up just inside the opponents half and ran for goal edges it for me. He wasn't bad in the Premiership in 94/95 either, especially at the start of the season (Tottenham at home springs to mind). Nobody else since has created the same buzz just by picking up possession. He made things happen. Those goals against Barnsley, Portsmouth and Millwall... a joy to watch and somewhat of a wasted talent. 111577[/snapback] Don't forget also that Joachim had a good couple of seasons for Villa in the premiership so there was no doubting he could play to that standard. I remember at one time during his Villa career when he was scoring quite freely and there were alot of fans calling for him to be included in the England squad. Heskey was amazing at times, but Julian had that panache about him.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Joachim but he was playing in the Second Division/First Division/Championship for most of his time with us, whereas Heskey only really played half a season down there. The sheer buzz of excitement around Filbo whenever Joachim picked the ball up just inside the opponents half and ran for goal edges it for me. He wasn't bad in the Premiership in 94/95 either, especially at the start of the season (Tottenham at home springs to mind). Nobody else since has created the same buzz just by picking up possession. He made things happen. Those goals against Barnsley, Portsmouth and Millwall... a joy to watch and somewhat of a wasted talent. 111577[/snapback] Don't forget also that Joachim had a good couple of seasons for Villa in the premiership so there was no doubting he could play to that standard. I remember at one time during his Villa career when he was scoring quite freely and there were alot of fans calling for him to be included in the England squad. Heskey was amazing at times, but Julian had that panache about him. 111588[/snapback] He coulda been a contender..
Newcastle_Fox Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Tough tough tough one. Joachim was an awesome player, the way he burst onto the scene with his pace. I can remember his awesome goals against Portsmouth and Barnsley they way he used to loose his marker instantly with his pace. He then went off the boil abit but we still managed to sell him for £3M ish? Joachim was proven at div one level but didnt cut it that well in the premiership. However Heskey ran riot in the first div and riot in the premiership. It used to take two men to mark him or chop him down like they usually did. This would give more space to Cottee, Claridge, Marshall, Collymore etc who were finishers who heskey would provide for. I vote Heskey IMO!
Collymore Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 I think anyone who can remember Joachim in his prime will probably vote for him (like I would) The guy was immence. A large proportion of people on here will struggle to remember Heskey so you will probably just get an unfair responce.
Frenzied Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 No contest - Heskey every time. He had (has) strength, pace, skill, determination, good teamwork, could pass the ball well, decent finisher and a football brain. Joachim was utterly overrated and we did well to get rid of him for that kind of money. His best attibute was his pace but no football brain.
King Kyle lcfc Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Joachim's best attributes were his ability to right off porches and blow shed loads of money down the bookies
Nationwider Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Joachim's best attributes were his ability to right off porches and blow shed loads of money down the bookies 111647[/snapback] The first time I read that, it sounded like you meant the thing in front of your front door! I've got it now, mind! Perhaps he was just really bad at DIY???
Alexikokopops Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNO!! He's an animal!! Love him!!
supedaj Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 I say Heskey too. A few highlights I remember from his time 1) That solo goal against Arsenal at Filbert Street 2) That amazing flick-on for Claridge against Man Utd in Coca Cola Cup (1997?) 3) The equaliser at Wembley against Middlesborough 4) His brief partnership with Collymore 5) The goal against Newcastle in 1997 when Izzet chipped the ball through and Heskey showed amazing composure to trick their keeper (Srnizek I think??) oh bless him!
SamuearlJackson Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 Heskey by a country mile. Yes Julian was exciting but Heskey could be the complete package. Even when he wasn't on top form he brought a lot to the side with his pace and power. Obscure highlight from Heskey for me was a great piece of skill at Villa where he megged Southgate on the left and cut inside to hit a laser off the underside of the crossbar that bounced away. Could have been one of the best goals in LCFC history.
TrickyTrev Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 I only really saw the end of Joachim at leicester but I still think I am qualified to say that Heskey was the better all round footballer and he actualy one trophies with us! His ball control and general footballing ability was unbelievable for such a young player and you rarely get a player who cares for the club so much. Also we all have the memory of the one time he line up along side Stanley Victor Collymore. Leicester City 5-2 Sunderland and we would have destroyed anyone that day! I was so excited that day and genuinly believe they were a world class trike partnership. Heskey left for 'pool not long afterwards and Stan broke his leg.
Simon Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 I say Heskey too. A few highlights I remember from his time1) That solo goal against Arsenal at Filbert Street 2) That amazing flick-on for Claridge against Man Utd in Coca Cola Cup (1997?) 3) The equaliser at Wembley against Middlesborough 4) His brief partnership with Collymore 5) The goal against Newcastle in 1997 when Izzet chipped the ball through and Heskey showed amazing composure to trick their keeper (Srnizek I think??) oh bless him! 111694[/snapback] I still remember that goal- fantastic! As for the partnership with Collymore, it always makes me think 'if only', that would have been a quality partnership if had gone on longer! I'm afraid Bruno wins hands down every time, without a doubt.
Chandler Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 No contest - Heskey every time. He had (has) strength, pace, skill, determination, good teamwork, could pass the ball well, decent finisher and a football brain.Joachim was utterly overrated and we did well to get rid of him for that kind of money. His best attibute was his pace but no football brain. 111641[/snapback] Utter twaddle like all your other posts, Frenzied. And, judging by your powers of recall, it seems that you are suffering from Alzheimers. Julian was regarded by most INDEPENDENT experts as the most valuable teenager in British football at the age of 18. The generally agreed estimate of his value was around £4m. Some pundits were tipping him for the England squad for USA '94 in 1992 (England did not make those finals). A football writers poll in 1992 unanimously declared him a better prospect than Ryan Giggs (who at the time was hailed as the greatest prodigy since George Best). It was the sale of Julian for a paltry £1.7m that was the major reason for the infamous riot against Sheff Utd in 1996. By that time injuries and a less than disciplined off the field profile saw a sad decline in his on field performances. Looking around now, some have observed that JJ in his pomp was like a hybrid of Sean Wright Phillips and Jermaine Defoe. I go along with that. Without doubt he was the most talented player that we ever produced (light years ahead of Gary). Now get on your bike Frenzied and peddle your drivel somewhere else.
supedaj Posted 19 May 2005 Posted 19 May 2005 to think that the £11m we got for heskey went on panicbuy, benjamin, dennis wise, simon royce, rowett. such a shame - imagine what we could do with that now! i feel so tempted to start a 'against Peter Taylor' post.... its far too late now so i shall leave for now.. maybe tomorrow!
Ric Flair Posted 20 May 2005 Author Posted 20 May 2005 No contest - Heskey every time. He had (has) strength, pace, skill, determination, good teamwork, could pass the ball well, decent finisher and a football brain.Joachim was utterly overrated and we did well to get rid of him for that kind of money. His best attibute was his pace but no football brain. 111641[/snapback] Utter twaddle like all your other posts, Frenzied. And, judging by your powers of recall, it seems that you are suffering from Alzheimers. Julian was regarded by most INDEPENDENT experts as the most valuable teenager in British football at the age of 18. The generally agreed estimate of his value was around £4m. Some pundits were tipping him for the England squad for USA '94 in 1992 (England did not make those finals). A football writers poll in 1992 unanimously declared him a better prospect than Ryan Giggs (who at the time was hailed as the greatest prodigy since George Best). It was the sale of Julian for a paltry £1.7m that was the major reason for the infamous riot against Sheff Utd in 1996. By that time injuries and a less than disciplined off the field profile saw a sad decline in his on field performances. Looking around now, some have observed that JJ in his pomp was like a hybrid of Sean Wright Phillips and Jermaine Defoe. I go along with that. Without doubt he was the most talented player that we ever produced (light years ahead of Gary). Now get on your bike Frenzied and peddle your drivel somewhere else. 111858[/snapback] Got to agree with you there, the one thing that went against Joachim was his lack of discipline off the field. He got in with the wrong crowd and that effected him, but his natural ability was frightening. He always gave me the impression that he was incredibly thick and I think that utimately went against him off the pitch, if he'd been a bit more wiser we would of had a world beater on our hands. Heskey was amazing at times aswell, £11 million for him should have shaped this club in to a permanent top 6 team with O'Neill at the helm, but it all went wrong. Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulian
Collymore Posted 20 May 2005 Posted 20 May 2005 Jochim and collymore, two of the biggest wasted talents ever, both played for our club At least we had rag head Marshall the complete opposite
Frenzied Posted 20 May 2005 Posted 20 May 2005 No contest - Heskey every time. He had (has) strength, pace, skill, determination, good teamwork, could pass the ball well, decent finisher and a football brain.Joachim was utterly overrated and we did well to get rid of him for that kind of money. His best attibute was his pace but no football brain. 111641[/snapback] Utter twaddle like all your other posts, Frenzied. And, judging by your powers of recall, it seems that you are suffering from Alzheimers. Julian was regarded by most INDEPENDENT experts as the most valuable teenager in British football at the age of 18. The generally agreed estimate of his value was around £4m. Some pundits were tipping him for the England squad for USA '94 in 1992 (England did not make those finals). A football writers poll in 1992 unanimously declared him a better prospect than Ryan Giggs (who at the time was hailed as the greatest prodigy since George Best). It was the sale of Julian for a paltry £1.7m that was the major reason for the infamous riot against Sheff Utd in 1996. By that time injuries and a less than disciplined off the field profile saw a sad decline in his on field performances. Looking around now, some have observed that JJ in his pomp was like a hybrid of Sean Wright Phillips and Jermaine Defoe. I go along with that. Without doubt he was the most talented player that we ever produced (light years ahead of Gary). Now get on your bike Frenzied and peddle your drivel somewhere else. 111858[/snapback] LMMFAO Joachim was all pace and little else. Why didn't he make as an England regular if he was so exceptional? The simple reason is because he isn't nor ever was good enough. Joachim better than Lineker, are you having a laugh? Yet again Chandler, you show signs of your provincial idiocy.
Chandler Posted 20 May 2005 Posted 20 May 2005 No contest - Heskey every time. He had (has) strength, pace, skill, determination, good teamwork, could pass the ball well, decent finisher and a football brain.Joachim was utterly overrated and we did well to get rid of him for that kind of money. His best attibute was his pace but no football brain. 111641[/snapback] Utter twaddle like all your other posts, Frenzied. And, judging by your powers of recall, it seems that you are suffering from Alzheimers. Julian was regarded by most INDEPENDENT experts as the most valuable teenager in British football at the age of 18. The generally agreed estimate of his value was around £4m. Some pundits were tipping him for the England squad for USA '94 in 1992 (England did not make those finals). A football writers poll in 1992 unanimously declared him a better prospect than Ryan Giggs (who at the time was hailed as the greatest prodigy since George Best). It was the sale of Julian for a paltry £1.7m that was the major reason for the infamous riot against Sheff Utd in 1996. By that time injuries and a less than disciplined off the field profile saw a sad decline in his on field performances. Looking around now, some have observed that JJ in his pomp was like a hybrid of Sean Wright Phillips and Jermaine Defoe. I go along with that. Without doubt he was the most talented player that we ever produced (light years ahead of Gary). Now get on your bike Frenzied and peddle your drivel somewhere else. 111858[/snapback] LMMFAO Joachim was all pace and little else. Why didn't he make as an England regular if he was so exceptional? The simple reason is because he isn't nor ever was good enough. Joachim better than Lineker, are you having a laugh? Yet again Chandler, you show signs of your provincial idiocy. 112021[/snapback] Because he spent his formative years in Divisions Two/One, because he was out for lengthy spells with injury, because of his off field antics, because he played for unfashionable sides and, wait for it... BECAUSE HE WAS SMALL (weren't we all surprised when Bruno got his call-up? Surprised until the old farts started to talk about his incredible bulk) Lineker was lucky in his career. He spent more time at a higher level in a plucky side with a lot of good players. He then moved to the league champions and was Johnny on the spot against Poland in '86. AS THEY SAY IN SHOW BUSINESS - HE GOT THE BREAKS. And if anyone ever had a game that was based mainly around pace it was Gary. His technique and close control were truly awful. And his long range shooting was feeble. And who said that? None other than the great Johann Cruyff who was his manager at Barca. In fact he was so appalled by his low skill levels he was played out wide. Like Johnson now Gary made the most of his limited ability. He was not fazed by playing at higher levels partly because of his great mental attitude, his anticipation, his reaction speed and his pace. AND BY THE GREAT PLAYERS HE INVARIBALY HAD AROUND HIM FEEDING HIM CHANCE AFTER CHANCE AFTER CHANCE - MANY OF WHICH HE SPURNED. HIS GOALS TO ATTEMPTS RATIO WAS VERY MODEST. Another severe critic of Gary was a certain Graham Taylor who substituted him in Euro '92 (Gary's last international) against Sweden. Turnip moaned that Gary just couldn't hold the ball up - it kept coming back at the defence. He was right and he was wrong. Gary could have snatched an equaliser. By that time though, the danger man was increasingly David Platt with his late runs from midfield. PS Having spent most of my life down the smoke FRENZIED you're the last person who could call me 'provinical' you brain dead hick.
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