Mad Dog Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 WalkerCanero, Heath, Dabizas, Tiatto Gillespie, Gudjonsen, Nalis, Stewart Scowcroft, Connolly 11973[/snapback] Yeah that's the team I was thinking about. Looks good to me but I didn't put it because I'm sure it won't happen. I'd be pleased to see it though.
Mark Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 WalkerCanero / Heath / Dabizas / Tiatto Gillespie / Gudjonsson / Williams / Stewart Connolly / Wright Subs: Pressman, Benjamin, Keown, Nalis, Stearman 11955[/snapback] Ridiculous. Dropping Nalis but keeping Williams in? Dropping Scowcroft and not even having him on the bench? Starting Wright up front? Having Keown and Stearman on the bench I put Stearman on the bench cause i ran out of acceptable "experienced" players. I dropped Nalis because we need to try a different pair in midfield. I start Wright up front because Nathan Blake is abysmal. I drop Scowcroft and leave him out of the 16 cause i've had enough of him. It makes perfect sense! You just got to adjust to some changes.
Scow Posted 15 August 2004 Author Posted 15 August 2004 i agree with scowy but i'd rather have nalis and gudjohnsen rather than williams, but hopefully he wont play blake 11931[/snapback] Interesting thought Freund, Teeno and worcestercityfan. I was just wondering why almost everyone selects Williams over Nalis, Has he shown himself to be better, is he getting better marks from people, if so why?. On current form and involvement Nalis seems to be in pole position, but then some people just think he's rubbish. They both deserve a chance to prove their worth to the team but Nalis deserves it more so far! 11941[/snapback] I think Williams is seen as the more talented, despite Nalis performing better than him in the games against West Ham and Derby. With both Nalis and Williams in the team, we look very soft, and that was exploited cruely by Millwall yesterday. I think having someone like Gudjonnson will bring out the best in Williams' talent. He's looked dangerous going forward when he's had the opportunity, and would have a bit more license to do so with someone like Gudjonnson holding in that anchor role. The Williams/Nalis combination reminds me of England's midfield in Euro 2004, where the most talented players were chosen (Gerrard/Lampard) as opposed to a combination that would work more effectively - Butt with either Gerrard or Lampard. 11950[/snapback] Williams may have looked dangerous going forward but who's scored and who's hit the woodwork, Nalis. Agree Gudjonnson should be given a run but I don't assume it should be with Williams. 11966[/snapback] Despite Nalis' performances, I still think he has been too slow in closing down the opposition - He does seem a bit laboured at times, and still gives the ball away too cheaply. I've seen him makes passes without actually looking, assuming players are in a position he's passed to. I think Williams looks more comfortable and aware on the ball, and uses it better.
SilverFox Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 i agree with scowy but i'd rather have nalis and gudjohnsen rather than williams, but hopefully he wont play blake 11931[/snapback] Interesting thought Freund, Teeno and worcestercityfan. I was just wondering why almost everyone selects Williams over Nalis, Has he shown himself to be better, is he getting better marks from people, if so why?. On current form and involvement Nalis seems to be in pole position, but then some people just think he's rubbish. They both deserve a chance to prove their worth to the team but Nalis deserves it more so far! 11941[/snapback] I think Williams is seen as the more talented, despite Nalis performing better than him in the games against West Ham and Derby. With both Nalis and Williams in the team, we look very soft, and that was exploited cruely by Millwall yesterday. I think having someone like Gudjonnson will bring out the best in Williams' talent. He's looked dangerous going forward when he's had the opportunity, and would have a bit more license to do so with someone like Gudjonnson holding in that anchor role. The Williams/Nalis combination reminds me of England's midfield in Euro 2004, where the most talented players were chosen (Gerrard/Lampard) as opposed to a combination that would work more effectively - Butt with either Gerrard or Lampard. 11950[/snapback] Williams may have looked dangerous going forward but who's scored and who's hit the woodwork, Nalis. Agree Gudjonnson should be given a run but I don't assume it should be with Williams. 11966[/snapback] Despite Nalis' performances, I still think he has been too slow in closing down the opposition - He does seem a bit laboured at times, and still gives the ball away too cheaply. I've seen him makes passes without actually looking, assuming players are in a position he's passed to. I think Williams looks more comfortable and aware on the ball, and uses it better. 11977[/snapback] I know this comment is slag offable (if such a term exists), but I offer it as an option... From the games that I have seen where this individual has taken part he has looked comfortable on the ball, has held it up well, has picked out good passes, and importantly kept pocession...now you aren't going to like it so I'll only offer it once. Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps we should try Scott Gemmill!?!?!?! :w00t: N.B. I am being serious, this is not a joke, repeat not a joke.
Guest freund Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 yeh, not a bad idea, he seemed ok against east bengal :wacko:
Mark Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 Stearman was brilliant against East Bengal but no one can stand the thought of him playing!! Then when it comes to average Gemmill <_< You ageist lot <_< :wacko:
SilverFox Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 Stearman was brilliant against East Bengal but no one can stand the thought of him playing!! Then when it comes to average Gemmill <_< You ageist lot <_< :wacko: 11990[/snapback] I agree he was brilliant. I also think at some point he will get his chance. Chill out mate! At the moment I feel comfortable with the proven Dabizas/Heath combo and keown as sub to either. Hell I even feel comfortable with Elliot...Stearman will be great, but should be treated like grolsh(sp), released only when ready, (and no I don't mean when he is 37) I don't think Gemmill is the saviour but he struck me as being comfortable on the ball and he didn't lose it. He struck me as being similar to billy mac.
Scow Posted 15 August 2004 Author Posted 15 August 2004 Silver fox, it is a good point, but Gemmill is more of a holding player, and if it's between him and Gudjonnson, then there is no contest really.
Mark Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 you can't put a price on experience 11994[/snapback] Certainly cant, we got them all for free didnt we <_<
SilverFox Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 Silver fox, it is a good point, but Gemmill is more of a holding player, and if it's between him and Gudjonnson, then there is no contest really. 11995[/snapback] Agreed Scowy, I just thought I would offer it as an option given that no one else had. I think it important that we have a player who is comfortable with the ball, can keep pocession and can also play a few smart balls. The one thing that has struck me about the opening games is that we have given the ball away so much. We also lack a creative spark. If you llok at the last time we were in this division we had a midfielder who made chances & kept the ball well (Izzet) Pompey similarly had players who could do that. I just feel that right now we are lacking that. I am thus far not impressed with Williams, but I think we should give him a bit more time.
Scow Posted 15 August 2004 Author Posted 15 August 2004 Silver fox, it is a good point, but Gemmill is more of a holding player, and if it's between him and Gudjonnson, then there is no contest really. 11995[/snapback] Agreed Scowy, I just thought I would offer it as an option given that no one else had. I think it important that we have a player who is comfortable with the ball, can keep pocession and can also play a few smart balls. The one thing that has struck me about the opening games is that we have given the ball away so much. We also lack a creative spark. If you llok at the last time we were in this division we had a midfielder who made chances & kept the ball well (Izzet) Pompey similarly had players who could do that. I just feel that right now we are lacking that. I am thus far not impressed with Williams, but I think we should give him a bit more time. 11999[/snapback] As I have said previously, I think we would see the best of Williams if a ball winner is played alongside him - i.e Gudjonnson. I can't believe Micky has persisted to play these two together because it quite clearly doesn't work - It's too soft, and the opposition have far too much time on the ball to dictate the play. Both players are potentially good passers of the ball, but there seems to be a lack of movement and awareness which causes us to be very static.
SilverFox Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 Silver fox, it is a good point, but Gemmill is more of a holding player, and if it's between him and Gudjonnson, then there is no contest really. 11995[/snapback] Agreed Scowy, I just thought I would offer it as an option given that no one else had. I think it important that we have a player who is comfortable with the ball, can keep pocession and can also play a few smart balls. The one thing that has struck me about the opening games is that we have given the ball away so much. We also lack a creative spark. If you llok at the last time we were in this division we had a midfielder who made chances & kept the ball well (Izzet) Pompey similarly had players who could do that. I just feel that right now we are lacking that. I am thus far not impressed with Williams, but I think we should give him a bit more time. 11999[/snapback] As I have said previously, I think we would see the best of Williams if a ball winner is played alongside him - i.e Gudjonnson. I can't believe Micky has persisted to play these two together because it quite clearly doesn't work - It's too soft, and the opposition have far too much time on the ball to dictate the play. Both players are potentially good passers of the ball, but there seems to be a lack of movement and awareness which causes us to be very static. 12002[/snapback] I agree, we need a meaty tackler in there who can pass the ball well. The only worry/Question mark I have over Gudjonnson is that he is a small lad and I can't see him winning many ariel balls. Aside from that I am impressed with what I have only briefly seen and hope he gets a chance. The official site seems to suggest that MA may change his starting line up for the next game. I am also worried because if we have designs on going up we should be fairly certain on what works and what doesn't. I'd hate to spend half a season experimenting with the side and losing vital games as a result. I understand that no one knows what will/won't work yet so we have to experiment...but damn!
Scow Posted 15 August 2004 Author Posted 15 August 2004 Silver fox, it is a good point, but Gemmill is more of a holding player, and if it's between him and Gudjonnson, then there is no contest really. 11995[/snapback] Agreed Scowy, I just thought I would offer it as an option given that no one else had. I think it important that we have a player who is comfortable with the ball, can keep pocession and can also play a few smart balls. The one thing that has struck me about the opening games is that we have given the ball away so much. We also lack a creative spark. If you llok at the last time we were in this division we had a midfielder who made chances & kept the ball well (Izzet) Pompey similarly had players who could do that. I just feel that right now we are lacking that. I am thus far not impressed with Williams, but I think we should give him a bit more time. 11999[/snapback] As I have said previously, I think we would see the best of Williams if a ball winner is played alongside him - i.e Gudjonnson. I can't believe Micky has persisted to play these two together because it quite clearly doesn't work - It's too soft, and the opposition have far too much time on the ball to dictate the play. Both players are potentially good passers of the ball, but there seems to be a lack of movement and awareness which causes us to be very static. 12002[/snapback] I agree, we need a meaty tackler in there who can pass the ball well. The only worry/Question mark I have over Gudjonnson is that he is a small lad and I can't see him winning many ariel balls. Aside from that I am impressed with what I have only briefly seen and hope he gets a chance. The official site seems to suggest that MA may change his starting line up for the next game. I am also worried because if we have designs on going up we should be fairly certain on what works and what doesn't. I'd hate to spend half a season experimenting with the side and losing vital games as a result. I understand that no one knows what will/won't work yet so we have to experiment...but damn! 12003[/snapback] Yeah, it concerns me too that we Micky doesn't seem to know what his best side is at the moment - But that may come together for the Wolves game when Dublin and Tiatto will be available. (Although the latter will be back for Watford anyway)
Teeno Posted 15 August 2004 Posted 15 August 2004 You what, Blake is not better than Wright on current form, and if we aint starting Benjamin than its got to be Wright. We cant just pick Blake for the sake of it he's a joke. Its not a suicidal team, its a different team - you dont get on with different things do you? Changes dont mix too well with you, 11967[/snapback] I was reffering to Benji starting not Wright.
Babylon Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 this would be my prefered team (as long as makins red is taken away) Walker Makin Heath Dabizas Tiatto Canero Williams Gudjonsson Stewart Connolly Scowcroft Obviously scow has to be in the team because micky loves him, i would rather have him upfront than on the wing if thats the case. Thats quite a young team really!!!
Guest Guest Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 Not even going to bother suggesting a team as it won't be right. I sincerely hope Micky Adams leaves this club sooner rather than later.
Mad Dog Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 this would be my prefered team (as long as makins red is taken away) Walker Makin Heath Dabizas Tiatto Canero Williams Gudjonsson Stewart Connolly Scowcroft Obviously scow has to be in the team because micky loves him, i would rather have him upfront than on the wing if thats the case. Thats quite a young team really!!! 12016[/snapback] Again, Nalis (who's a better player than Williams) dropped, and CANERO to start??! What?
Guest freund Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 I would like to see Canero start, he looked good at the end of last season, hes got pace etc
Babylon Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 this would be my prefered team (as long as makins red is taken away)           Walker Makin  Heath    Dabizas   Tiatto Canero Williams Gudjonsson Stewart        Connolly Scowcroft Obviously scow has to be in the team because micky loves him, i would rather have him upfront than on the wing if thats the case. Thats quite a young team really!!! 12016[/snapback] Again, Nalis (who's a better player than Williams) dropped, and CANERO to start??! What? 12026[/snapback] As i said my mad dog my prefered team, not the one that would start. I dont like nalis full stop, thats my opinion. I think williams with a defensive minded player next to him would come into the game alot more than he has been. I choose canero as the two games i saw him in i was quite impressed, especially his commitment, determination and fight. Which is something that we seemed to lack big time agaisnt Millwall.
Mad Dog Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 Well, Makin is definately banned for one game, so he won't be playing. Looks like Canero will have to start I guess. Walker Canero, Heath, Dabizas, Tiatto Gillespie, Nalis, Gudjonnson, Stewart Connolly, Scowcroft
Scow Posted 16 August 2004 Author Posted 16 August 2004 Well, Makin is definately banned for one game, so he won't be playing. Looks like Canero will have to start I guess.Walker Canero, Heath, Dabizas, Tiatto Gillespie, Nalis, Gudjonnson, Stewart Connolly, Scowcroft 12073[/snapback] If the red card isn't rescinded, then I would like to see that team. Tiatto and Stewart to swap positions though.
King Kyle lcfc Posted 16 August 2004 Posted 16 August 2004 This will probably piss a few people off but never mind depending wether all these players r fit i'd like to see micky try something new and makins red hasn't bin recinded can someone please inform me wot he did as i didn't attend the game and his red card wasn't on sky sports news wen i watched it. Walker Keown Heath Dabizas Canero Nallis Gudjonson Williams Tiatto/Stewart Sowcroft Connolly Subs Pressman Tiatto/Stewart Benjamin Gemill Wilcox Sorry really cant decide between stewart and tiatto probs go for tiatto But i see this will abolish our left sided problem
Scow Posted 16 August 2004 Author Posted 16 August 2004 Makin sending off So Kyle, what's happened to Louis Jean then?
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