still tynie Posted 5 June 2005 Posted 5 June 2005 It seems to me Craig Levein is signing too many Spl players , obviously this is the market he knows well however these players have no experience of playing in the 2nd division in England.
Muz Posted 5 June 2005 Posted 5 June 2005 I trust Craig 100% on bringing in players. He has had enough time to study them whilst he was at Hearts. Hughes and Maybury have been class. And i have not judged MDV yet. When hes 100% fit he may be a different player. I dont care what league they play in aslong as the players CL brings in are the same quality of that of Hughes and Maybury!
step Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 It seems to me Craig Levein is signing too many Spl players , obviously this is the market he knows well however these players have no experience of playing in the 2nd division in England. 119630[/snapback] It would be a lot better if Cl signed players he knew nothing about but had loads of exeriance in the fizzy. Not How effing thick can people get
Ric Flair Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I am starting to get a little bemused that we are only getting linked with or signing players from the SPL. Now before people jump down my throat I know Levein is going by his instincts and he knows the Scottish Football leagues like the back of his hand. I suppose it doesn't matter where the players come from aslong as they are good, but Levein needs to take in to consideration that he isn't that experienced in English football and it would be very naive to compare his Hearts team to Leicester's in terms of what players will make the team more successful. I mean it's common knowledge that the majority of players that come down from the SPL to English football don't exactly set it alight, so he needs to be cautious. That isn't a dig at him, i'm more than impressed with Maybury and Hughes and i'm quietly confident over the other motley crew he's signed but he's going to be an easy target if the players he's recently signed don't do the business. My main concern is the lack of English players we have at this club, other than Dublin and Stearman I can't see any of the other English players at the club getting much first team football next season. Time will tell, pre-season has only just started and the real action gets going in a few weeks. I trust Craig, it would just be nice to see us strongly linked or sign a hot prospect that's English. That's my opinion anyway.
Fox in a Box Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 Hoofmeister, it may not be a bad thing cherry picking in your own back yard. Ok its at a different level but Raffa the Gaffa at liverpool keeps going back to Espanya.
City Fan Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 Levein has only been at an English club for about 8 months and is unlikely to know much about the players her. He has played and manged in Scotland all of his career and knows lots of players and how good they are. Who had heard of Stephen Hughes before he come to this club?
Babylon Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 If they are good I couldn't give a flying fcuk if they were all from outer mongolia.
Ric Flair Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 If they are good I couldn't give a flying fcuk if they were all from outer mongolia. 119668[/snapback] That is true, but what you need to ask yourself is the calibre of players playing in the SPL isn't that great. The players that are available up there that are anygood often get snapped up by the OF or other teams around the globe, so Levein needs to be careful about putting all of his eggs in to one basket. It would be naive not to look closely at the league he's now managing in!
Babylon Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 If they are good I couldn't give a flying fcuk if they were all from outer mongolia. 119668[/snapback] That is true, but what you need to ask yourself is the calibre of players playing in the SPL isn't that great. The players that are available up there that are anygood often get snapped up by the OF or other teams around the globe, so Levein needs to be careful about putting all of his eggs in to one basket. It would be naive not to look closely at the league he's now managing in! 119679[/snapback] Hughes and Maybury aint doing too bad so far. Douglas is from the old firm, so is momo and so is Laursen.
BartonFox Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 It seems to me Craig Levein is signing too many Spl players , obviously this is the market he knows well however these players have no experience of playing in the 2nd division in England. 119630[/snapback] CL is making a much better fist of attracting the better SPL players than previous counterparts. Ex Jambo boss Jim Jeffries took Gary Locke and Andy Tod to Bradford and they were a disaster. Ex Hibee manager Bobby Williamson has taken some right shite to Plymouth, Stevie Crawford and Lee Makel for starters, plus another couple I can't think of just now. Levein has at least trageted the big 3 in Scotland and I bet every SPL team out side the Old Scum would have killed to get Stephen Hughes on board. As much as I dislike Douglas I think he and the other 5 (Hughes, Maybury, Kisnorbo, de Vries and Sylla) will prove invaluable in this division. All have European experience and all are used to playing at least 4 games a year in front of 50,000 plus people aqs well as the intense Glasgow or Edinbrugh derby games.
fosseman Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I am very unsure about the wisdom of continuing to buy SPL players. Giving them long contracts is unwise to say the least. I would like to see some players coming from Europe as well as England. It would make the team a bit more interesting.
Babylon Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I am very unsure about the wisdom of continuing to buy SPL players. Giving them long contracts is unwise to say the least. I would like to see some players coming from Europe as well as England. It would make the team a bit more interesting. 119743[/snapback] What a load of cack.
Ric Flair Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I think the main thing is that we get the best possible team together, irrespective of where they come from. Obviously there is going to be certain factors when signing players such as where they come from, their experience in this league, etc. Levein obviously has a plan, he's not in it for a short term fix so he must see these lads from the SPL being the secret to our success and to be honest he might be right. There's always a risk when signing any player, but it is always noted that signing players from a different country is a bigger risk because they might not settle. Now Scotland isn't much different to England and with us bringing in 4 or 5 players from up there means that they will settle in easier and the team spirit should be kept intact. Levein knows that he can't rely on every signing being from north of the border, but he has known for a long while which players will be out of contract there and I can see why he's been swift in capturing them. Pre-season has barely started yet and many teams don't do their signing until atleast July, which is when I imagine we'll see Levein looking at options from England. You can't actually talk to a player who's out of contract until 5 weeks before their deal expires unless they play in another country, so it's only been the last week or so that we could speak to out of contract players in thsi league anyway. I think everyone just gets a little bored when they hear us being linked with hundreds of SPL players, when it's not as if we even play in that league. Variety is the spice of life and being linked with a couple of unknown jonny foreigners or some english whizkids would get us buzzing again.
Hazza Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 It seems to me Craig Levein is signing too many Spl players , obviously this is the market he knows well however these players have no experience of playing in the 2nd division in England. 119630[/snapback] You could say that about the likes of Thierry Henry aswell. We've signed McCarthy and Henderson should he pass a medical, from English clubs, aswell as loaned Moore, Taylor and Kenton, so it's not like we're only getting players from Scotland. As has been said, it's the market Levein knows best and is cheaper than buying English players. Like Hoof i'd prefer to see more Englishmen, but the majority of the squad is British or Irish and that's not as bad as having players from all over.
alijambo Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I feel you are missing the point a bit here guys as i have said on a different thread you only have a limited amount of money to spend by buying players from scotland craig know the wage structures in scotland are much lower than down here so he can get players of a certain quality for a vastly reduced price. To put it another way what if steven hughes and alan maybury had been established players with another club in your division what chance would you have had of being able to afford there transfer fee and wages. I would think they would be out of your reach on both counts.
BartonFox Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 I feel you are missing the point a bit here guys as i have said on a different thread you only have a limited amount of money to spend by buying players from scotland craig know the wage structures in scotland are much lower than down here so he can get players of a certain quality for a vastly reduced price. To put it another way what if steven hughes and alan maybury had been established players with another club in your division what chance would you have had of being able to afford there transfer fee and wages. I would think they would be out of your reach on both counts. 119812[/snapback] Excellent point and the one I was trying to make in saying we are signing the 'higher end' players from within the SPL.
step Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 Summarise CL is after very particul players for specific roles in the team and heCL knows the players from SPL better than the english players They are cheaper to buy in Work for lower salaries They are not all scots, so it aint descrimination They have had experiance else where He has looked at english players that he can afford but they aint good enough. I cant see the problem. Keep up the good work CL
Babylon Posted 6 June 2005 Posted 6 June 2005 SummariseCL is after very particul players for specific roles in the team and heCL knows the players from SPL better than the english players They are cheaper to buy in Work for lower salaries They are not all scots, so it aint descrimination They have had experiance else where He has looked at english players that he can afford but they aint good enough. I cant see the problem. Keep up the good work CL 119946[/snapback] Spot on
kahoonas Posted 7 June 2005 Posted 7 June 2005 also - the hearts team he managed are better than us - if you look at their results in europe Beat braga - home and way unlucky against schalke and feyenoord beet basel in basel - how many teams have done that then robertson took over....
alijambo Posted 7 June 2005 Posted 7 June 2005 also - the hearts team he managed are better than us - if you look at their results in europe Beat braga - home and way unlucky against schalke and feyenoord beet basel in basel - how many teams have done that then robertson took over.... Are you a hearts supporter kahoonas if so you had yir heid down the toilet all of last season. We beat braga at home and drew away from home we were gubbed by feyernoord 3-0 while levien was still in charge however Robbo was in charge for the the schalke and basel and ferernvarcos games. There is one point you got right though not many teams to win in basel in europe some of the recent defeated teams include celtic, liverpool and inter milan.
Scow Posted 7 June 2005 Posted 7 June 2005 I'm not fussed to be honest. It's the quality of player that is the most crucial factor here, not which league/country/nation they've arrived from. Hughes and Maybury have been excellent as already highlighted in this thread - MDV needs a pre season before we judge him, and Douglas and Sylla are two players who have considerable experience in Europe, and will be keen to prove themselves.
kahoonas Posted 7 June 2005 Posted 7 June 2005 also - the hearts team he managed are better than us - if you look at their results in europe Beat braga - home and way unlucky against schalke and feyenoord beet basel in basel - how many teams have done that then robertson took over.... Are you a hearts supporter kahoonas if so you had yir heid down the toilet all of last season. We beat braga at home and drew away from home we were gubbed by feyernoord 3-0 while levien was still in charge however Robbo was in charge for the the schalke and basel and ferernvarcos games. There is one point you got right though not many teams to win in basel in europe some of the recent defeated teams include celtic, liverpool and inter milan. 120494[/snapback] no - my mates a hearts fan - as i have said - i was 8 when i moved down south so i am scottish - got a leaning towards wick academy in the highland league mate told me that the time robbo took over he had no time to impact on the basel game and you were unlucky not to get penalties / offside decisions etc in the other games sorry if im wrong but if robbo had just took over was it not leveins tactics that one in basel??
step Posted 8 June 2005 Posted 8 June 2005 I'm not fussed to be honest. It's the quality of player that is the most crucial factor here, not which league/country/nation they've arrived from.Hughes and Maybury have been excellent as already highlighted in this thread - MDV needs a pre season before we judge him, and Douglas and Sylla are two players who have considerable experience in Europe, and will be keen to prove themselves. 120528[/snapback] Exactly. the whole point is that we will get the best value for limited funds by looking away from the english leigues.
jjno1 Posted 13 June 2005 Posted 13 June 2005 It does not matter if we get alot of spl players aslong as they do the job then im satisfied
Thracian Posted 13 June 2005 Posted 13 June 2005 I think the main thing is that we get the best possible team together, irrespective of where they come from. Obviously there is going to be certain factors when signing players such as where they come from, their experience in this league, etc.Levein obviously has a plan, he's not in it for a short term fix so he must see these lads from the SPL being the secret to our success and to be honest he might be right. There's always a risk when signing any player, but it is always noted that signing players from a different country is a bigger risk because they might not settle. Now Scotland isn't much different to England and with us bringing in 4 or 5 players from up there means that they will settle in easier and the team spirit should be kept intact. Levein knows that he can't rely on every signing being from north of the border, but he has known for a long while which players will be out of contract there and I can see why he's been swift in capturing them. Pre-season has barely started yet and many teams don't do their signing until atleast July, which is when I imagine we'll see Levein looking at options from England. You can't actually talk to a player who's out of contract until 5 weeks before their deal expires unless they play in another country, so it's only been the last week or so that we could speak to out of contract players in thsi league anyway. I think everyone just gets a little bored when they hear us being linked with hundreds of SPL players, when it's not as if we even play in that league. Variety is the spice of life and being linked with a couple of unknown jonny foreigners or some english whizkids would get us buzzing again. 119750[/snapback] I was among the first to support Levein's appointment and, indeed, have quoted elsewhere in this forum that wee Davie Gibson was the best ball player ever to play for City. Not just that but the likes of Frank McLintock and Ian King (in the same outstanding 60's team) were also footballing Gods and they weren't the only ones from north of the border.. Indeed City had their best ever manager (O'Neil included) at that time in Scotsman Matt Gillies - and I can confirm as a Tuesday/ Thursday trainee at the club in those days that Scottish accents were far more familiar than English accents. That said, CL should remember that City is an English club in an English league and that many of us would like to see a few of our own especially as there are a several talented English individuals out there who would probably welcome a chance at The Walkers. CL should also remember that Scottish football is in the doldrums - the likes of Dalglish, Souness, Willie Johnstone, Joe Jordan et al are no longer easy to spot, if they exist at all. Maybury and Hughes are big improvements and anyone who can better what is available in England will be more than welcome. But we have had enough of journeymen at City courtesy of Mickey Adams and Peter Taylor. Believe me there are more potent attackers in England than MDV and if we're going to win anything the sooner we get one the better.
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