B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 Complete and utter nonsense... have you been to any away games and seen the number of fans we have taken this year. Our fans have been as superb this season as ever... The fans got on Ricardo's back because they thought he was shite... are you really blaming THIS on our current run of form? When players go out in public and talk about it, Bamba was one, it is a problem. As I said, sven is trying to build a team spirit where everybody helps everybody. If someone gets so much stick as Ricardo got they can't give 100 percent when they play. Words tend to get in peoples head even if they try to avoid it. If someone has a problem with a player, deal with it on a forum like this instead of at a game where players is trying to give it all. Psychology is the answer.
B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 .... If someone gets so much stick as Ricardo got they can't give 100 percent when they play. Words tend to get in peoples head even if they try to avoid it. .... Psychology is the answer. The funny thing is that Weale got under immense pressure when he got the chance again. Instead being chosen and have faith by the manager he must have felt it as he was chosen by fans. A tough burdon to bear.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 When players go out in public and talk about it, Bamba was one, it is a problem. As I said, sven is trying to build a team spirit where everybody helps everybody. If someone gets so much stick as Ricardo got they can't give 100 percent when they play. Words tend to get in peoples head even if they try to avoid it. If someone has a problem with a player, deal with it on a forum like this instead of at a game where players is trying to give it all. Psychology is the answer. its part and parcel of football...the good players are as tough mentally as they are physically. Are you a counsellor or psychologist by any chance?
B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 its part and parcel of football...the good players are as tough mentally as they are physically. Are you a counsellor or psychologist by any chance? , not a chance. I wouldn't have time to write on a forum then.... I know it's part and parcel but I react when the criticism was unfair because Ricardo was doing a good job. If it was Weale and fans were shouting Ricardo I would look the other way....
Thracian Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Also, our season was lost before it even started with sousas hopeless pre season Our season wasn't over then at all. It didn't do us any good - nor the results under Sousa - but we surprisingly hauled ourselves back into contention with time to spare, mostly through our marvellous run at the start of the New Year. But as good as that was our general performances from the Cardiff game onwards (11 matches) were disappointing with only the Burnley and Scunthorpe results offering any glimmer of encouragement. All sorts of criticisms have been debated, about Sven, the team, individual players, tactics, missed chances, inadequate defending and about the effect of certain decisions on team spirit and, of course, the merits and failings of our goalkeepers. And whatever the individual rights or wrongs I cannot see that any one or two things made us fall short. It was the collective mistakes across the season right from the moment Pearson was pushed out. Several times I've mentioned that we fall down because we don't attend to details. I've just been reading a fascinating book about the legendary Bill Shankly and the thing that stands out is his dedication. Morning, noon and night he attended to details. Set pieces, throw-ins, even the order in which his pre-match music was played. So many little things. Shankly would have managed a football team for nothing he loved the game that much but he was tireless in his dedication and expected everyone else to be the same. Too many times we've fallen way short of the standards Shankly set. No-one got away with surrendering in a Shankly team. Aspects of play were practiced to perfection. Team spirit was everything. When Tommy Lawrence did a Weale, Shankly told the waiting press he was the best goalkeeper in the world. His team talks reduced opposition players to the level of so many static, brainless dustbins but when Liverpool had won he told his players they'd just despatched the best team in the world. We're way short and over the season I've said why but it no longer matters. What matters now is to start attending to those details - each and every one of them - so as to present ourselves ready for the new season with a team and a spirit to be feared. A team that will put the pressure on our opponents from the start. A team of remorseless, talented but ruthlessly efficient professionals united as one.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Our season wasn't over then at all. It didn't do us any good - nor the results under Sousa - but we surprisingly hauled ourselves back into contention with time to spare, mostly through our marvellous run at the start of the New Year. But as good as that was our general performances from the Cardiff game onwards (11 matches) were disappointing with only the Burnley and Scunthorpe results offering any glimmer of encouragement. All sorts of criticisms have been debated, about Sven, the team, individual players, tactics, missed chances, inadequate defending and about the effect of certain decisions on team spirit and, of course, the merits and failings of our goalkeepers. And whatever the individual rights or wrongs I cannot see that any one or two things made us fall short. It was the collective mistakes across the season right from the moment Pearson was pushed out. Several times I've mentioned that we fall down because we don't attend to details. I've just been reading a fascinating book about the legendary Bil Shankly and the thing that stands out is his dedication. Morning, noon and night he attended to details. Set pieces, throw-ins, even the order in which his pre-match music was played. So many little things. Shankly would have managed a football team for nothing he loved the game that much but he was tireless in his dedication and expected everyone else to be the same. Too many times we've fallen way short of the standards Shankly set. No-one got away with surrendering in a Shankly team. Aspects of play were practiced to perfection. Team spirit was everything. When Tommy Lawrence did a Weale, Shankly told the waiting press he was the best goalkeeper in the world. His team talks reduced opposition players to the level of so many static, brainless dustbins but when Liverpool had won he told his players they'd just despatched the best team in the world. We're way short and over the season I've said why but it no longer matters. What matters now is to start attending to those details - each and every one of them - so as to present ourselves ready for the new season with a team and a spirit to be feared. A team that will put the pressure on our opponents from the start. A team of remorseless, talented but ruthlessly efficient professionals united as one. As usual... superb post I think you are 100% correct BUT, watching Cardiff v QPR today I think we have an awful lot of work to do... those two sides are miles away from where we want to be, there is a gulf existing. Attention to lots of detail needed then...
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 As usual... superb post I think you are 100% correct BUT, watching Cardiff v QPR today I think we have an awful lot of work to do... those two sides are miles away from where we want to be, there is a gulf existing. Attention to lots of detail needed then... I really don't think this is the case. You're clearly comparing good performances by some top sides in the division to an out of form City. If you compared our performance against Derby or Burnley or Doncaster to QPR's against Scunthorpe you get a completely different story. We have the potential and the ability in place. They've both been building for at least 2 seasons now compared to our half a season. I honestly think you're jumping the gun and need to realise that however well Sven could possibly have done a team is still built and moulded, not chucked together and with a 20 year old back line. He gambled on promotion with quality individuals alone. Realise this and have a bit of faith that next season we'll start to take shape.
Stig the Lawnmower Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Our season wasn't over then at all. It didn't do us any good - nor the results under Sousa - but we surprisingly hauled ourselves back into contention with time to spare, mostly through our marvellous run at the start of the New Year. But as good as that was our general performances from the Cardiff game onwards (11 matches) were disappointing with only the Burnley and Scunthorpe results offering any glimmer of encouragement. All sorts of criticisms have been debated, about Sven, the team, individual players, tactics, missed chances, inadequate defending and about the effect of certain decisions on team spirit and, of course, the merits and failings of our goalkeepers. And whatever the individual rights or wrongs I cannot see that any one or two things made us fall short. It was the collective mistakes across the season right from the moment Pearson was pushed out. Several times I've mentioned that we fall down because we don't attend to details. I've just been reading a fascinating book about the legendary Bil Shankly and the thing that stands out is his dedication. Morning, noon and night he attended to details. Set pieces, throw-ins, even the order in which his pre-match music was played. So many little things. Shankly would have managed a football team for nothing he loved the game that much but he was tireless in his dedication and expected everyone else to be the same. Too many times we've fallen way short of the standards Shankly set. No-one got away with surrendering in a Shankly team. Aspects of play were practiced to perfection. Team spirit was everything. When Tommy Lawrence did a Weale, Shankly told the waiting press he was the best goalkeeper in the world. His team talks reduced opposition players to the level of so many static, brainless dustbins but when Liverpool had won he told his players they'd just despatched the best team in the world. We're way short and over the season I've said why but it no longer matters. What matters now is to start attending to those details - each and every one of them - so as to present ourselves ready for the new season with a team and a spirit to be feared. A team that will put the pressure on our opponents from the start. A team of remorseless, talented but ruthlessly efficient professionals united as one. interesting post, but how can you compare the Shankly era with todays game? it's totally different, players have more say, power and money. Like you, I'm old enough to have witnessed the shankly, busby and of course the gillies eras. football was more simplistic then, and probably better. give Sven time to build a team next season, loans were his only option for a quick fix, could have worked but didn't
Thracian Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 interesting post, but how can you compare the Shankly era with todays game? it's totally different, players have more say, power and money. Like you, I'm old enough to have witnessed the shankly, busby and of course the gillies eras. football was more simplistic then, and probably better. give Sven time to build a team next season, loans were his only option for a quick fix, could have worked but didn't Dalglish seems to be reviving Liverpool well enough - and adherring to many of the Shankly principles.
cc_star Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 ......................What matters now is to start attending to those details - each and every one of them - so as to present ourselves ready for the new season with a team and a spirit to be feared. A team that will put the pressure on our opponents from the start. A team of remorseless, talented but ruthlessly efficient professionals united as one. This. I do fear about the 'spirit' aspect though Perhaps this will change when more of his own signings comes in, although Mee's reaction doesn't fill me with confidence. Anyhoo, we've got 3 and a half months to get things right and only then will we know for sure.
Kitchandro Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 interesting post, but how can you compare the Shankly era with todays game? it's totally different, players have more say, power and money. Like you, I'm old enough to have witnessed the shankly, busby and of course the gillies eras. football was more simplistic then, and probably better. give Sven time to build a team next season, loans were his only option for a quick fix, could have worked but didn't I don't think that really alters the point though. Even look at the teams at the top of this League, they have a lot of spirit and it's reflected in the character of the managers. The game of football may have changed but the same values and attitudes can still apply, and they can in any sport, or in fact in any walk of life. The mantality of the team, and the whole Club is very important.
B52 Posted 24 April 2011 Author Posted 24 April 2011 The mantality of the team, and the whole Club is very important. And of course the fans......
accessory Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 When players go out in public and talk about it, Bamba was one, it is a problem. As I said, sven is trying to build a team spirit where everybody helps everybody. /quote] Unless they're rentboys loanees from one of the Premiership giants, who unsettle the side with their attitude and general petulance..
B52 Posted 25 April 2011 Author Posted 25 April 2011 Unless they're rentboys loanees from one of the Premiership giants, who unsettle the side with their attitude and general petulance.. Well this is hard to know before a player has played a few games. Look at Bruma, is he bad or is it the gk, the rotation of defence or the oppo too good? We can only speculate the reasons to why we play bad when Bruma plays. A lot of people talk about how many great players we have. When I look at the other teams they have great players too. PL-players all over the place. A fair few have great goalkeepers and a well organised defence. On top of that they loaned PL-youngsters and got former stars like Bellamy at Cardiff. Pretty much like Sven tried to do in the middle of a season.
Kitchandro Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Frankly i do not think Sven has made any 'mistakes'. Sure he has tried things that have not come off but that happens to every manager. I hate to break it to you but that's what a mistake is. to this thread. Excuses, excuses. It's all the fans fault. Stop having a go at the players cos Weale is shit. blah blah move on.
ta-fc Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 To give a different perspective... I don't think Sven ever expected us to go up this season contrary to what he's said in press conferences and the like. I think this season for him was all about building for the next looking at existing players, Prem quality loanees and testing the financial clout of the owners. Whilst it bugs the hell out of me that he'll happily change a winning side breaking rule #1 of 'things not to do in football management' I think he does it to get a feel for who can play where next season... Don't forget pre-season is where transfer and formation changes are usually tested! Like I said though just an alternative perspective. Ash
B52 Posted 25 April 2011 Author Posted 25 April 2011 To give a different perspective... I don't think Sven ever expected us to go up this season contrary to what he's said in press conferences and the like. I think this season for him was all about building for the next looking at existing players, Prem quality loanees and testing the financial clout of the owners. Whilst it bugs the hell out of me that he'll happily change a winning side breaking rule #1 of 'things not to do in football management' I think he does it to get a feel for who can play where next season... Don't forget pre-season is where transfer and formation changes are usually tested! Like I said though just an alternative perspective. Ash It's an interesting thought. Some of his decisions go hand in hand with your theory.
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