B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 He believed the fans of the club would be behind the players when they play...... He knew that Weale made mistakes and had to get another goalkeeper. Everyone on this forum agreed. The only thing I read before the two games Weale done a good job in was that he could only be a back-up. Ricardo was free to sign, very cheap. A well known keeper. Even voted in WC all star team five years ago. It's a no brainer what I as a fan should cheer and welcome to the club. A potential play-off winner and a real asset or a back-up keeper making lots of mistakes. Ricardo hadn't played so much lately wich ment he had to play and regain a bit of his former ability. Even with his limited gametime he was better than Weale and the mistakes he did the defence could sort out. Weales mistakes led to conceding goals. At this moment some idiot fans blow the team spirit away by cheering for Weale under the crucial games that could lead to a potential automatic promotion. Ricardo could handle the situation but his teammates couldn't give it all when they had to hear their own fans takin a team member down completaly. Remember one thing about Sven and that is he wants a team to feel good.and be relaxed. When this nasty cheering went on his work went down the drain... Are you mongers happy now?
hesapeepingtom Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 he as made several mistakes hopefully his niavity of this league ends this season and he as learnt his lesson,this league was there for the taking this year more so than any other!
B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 he as made several mistakes hopefully his niavity of this league ends this season and he as learnt his lesson,this league was there for the taking this year more so than any other! I could agree with you but you have to say what his mistakes were. You can also write down what his naivity was(besides the own fans). I claim that the team spirit were blown to pieces when the fans turned their back on the team at matches.
Webbo Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 There are lots of things to blame for this disappointing season, the fans aren't one of them.
accessory Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Are you mongers happy now? Another stunningly-intellectual contribution from the pro-mercenary legions...
Webbo Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Another stunningly-intellectual contribution from the pro-mercenary legions... By mercenary do you mean that Sven is paid to be our manager?
Mark_w Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 He believed the fans of the club would be behind the players when they play...... So why are you being so negative towards Weale, why have people like you generally been so anti Bruma and Yakubu, in fact this whole thread is just about you being anti-Weale, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at fans for something you are doing yourself.
hesapeepingtom Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I could agree with you but you have to say what his mistakes were. You can also write down what his naivity was(besides the own fans). I claim that the team spirit were blown to pieces when the fans turned their back on the team at matches. then i shall enlighten you i shall. number 1 mistake in no particular order : trying to squeeze jeffrey bruma into a winning side starting by playing him in midfield against cardiff this is when our poor form started. number 2 mistake constant fiddling with the defence: dropping vitor after we keep a clean sheet and he scores twice? beggers belief! number 3 too many inexperienced loan defenders ie van aanholt and bruma no better than hobbs or burner who do have experience in this league. number 4 no plan b or c teams know how we ar going to play and when we come up against a half decent team we get turned over all too easily. thatll do for now!
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Frankly i do not think Sven has made any 'mistakes'. Sure he has tried things that have not come off but that happens to every manager. Once you understand the decision that was made when Sven arrived, Ie that we were going to have a go at promotion despite being bottom of the league, everything else makes sense. With no time to build a team he had to bring in players who were already good enough to get us up and for a while in January and February they looked likely to do just that. When it started to get difficult the lack of teamwork and real fighting spirit meant we had nothing to fall back on and it all fell apart. Had we continued our top form for another month we would probably have made it, playoffs at least. But we didn't, great try but no cigar.
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 then i shall enlighten you i shall. number 1 mistake in no particular order : trying to squeeze jeffrey bruma into a winning side starting by playing him in midfield against cardiff this is when our poor form started. number 2 mistake constant fiddling with the defence: dropping vitor after we keep a clean sheet and he scores twice? beggers belief! number 3 too many inexperienced loan defenders ie van aanholt and bruma no better than hobbs or burner who do have experience in this league. number 4 no plan b or c teams know how we ar going to play and when we come up against a half decent team we get turned over all too easily. thatll do for now! No, far too simplistic. 1) Our midfield had been fragile defensively for some time and needed shaking up, King and Abe were tiring badly and Wellen's form was suffering as a result. Bruma was one of the few options open to him and was actually one of our better players at Cardiff. 2) Vitor was returning from a long layoff, consecutive games were probably beyond him at that time. Other wise Sven was simply backing his judgement. Bruma was as much a victim of our collapsing form as the cause of it. 3) Our defence was broken badly and had to be fixed, Bamba was bought and loans brought in. Hobbs could not cope with the new style of play and was hopeless on the left anyway, Mee or Vitor (when fit) were far better. Cunningham was first class, PVA less so, but I doubt a slow and rapidly aging Berner would have done better. Naughton was exellent pretty much all season, was that a problem? 4) The only point that has any truth, matchday tactics and the ability to change a game have never been his strongest suit, but thats Sven, always has been... Sven brought in talented players in the expectation that their natural ability would get us into the playoffs, as I said above, by the end of February it looked likely to work....
B52 Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 So why are you being so negative towards Weale, why have people like you generally been so anti Bruma and Yakubu, in fact this whole thread is just about you being anti-Weale, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at fans for something you are doing yourself. , I'm negative to fans taking down team spirit when they are playing a match. I don't see anybody playing on this forum... do you? Weale has been questioned all season and not by me. I followed the bandwagon regarding him. But I think Ricardo is much better.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Another stunningly-intellectual contribution from the pro-mercenary legions... Weeeeeeul, Weeeeeeul.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Another stunningly-intellectual contribution from the pro-mercenary legions... They continue to make my point for me...
smudger63 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 There are lots of things to blame for this disappointing season, the fans aren't one of them. I agree, i honestly don`t believe that any set of fans can influence the outcome of a season, no matter how noisy, quiet, supportive or critical of a team. Yes, of course it`s going to be better, if the fans are behind the team, but ultimitely, it`s down to what the players do on the pitch, the managers team selections, tactics and substitutions. I think we just need to draw a line under this season now, and stop the blame game, and look forward to what should be a very interesting summer, as there is alot of rebuilding to be done, but with the new owners backing, hopefully sven will assemble a squad that can take the league by storm next season. Lets look forward, and not backwards. Onwards and upwards! Up the City
AoWW Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I could agree with you but you have to say what his mistakes were. You can also write down what his naivity was(besides the own fans). I claim that the team spirit were blown to pieces when the fans turned their back on the team at matches. I suggest you read some of the other threads as this has been discussed in them ad nauseam.
hesapeepingtom Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 No, far too simplistic. 1) Our midfield had been fragile defensively for some time and needed shaking up, King and Abe were tiring badly and Wellen's form was suffering as a result. Bruma was one of the few options open to him and was actually one of our better players at Cardiff. 2) Vitor was returning from a long layoff, consecutive games were probably beyond him at that time. Other wise Sven was simply backing his judgement. Bruma was as much a victim of our collapsing form as the cause of it. 3) Our defence was broken badly and had to be fixed, Bamba was bought and loans brought in. Hobbs could not cope with the new style of play and was hopeless on the left anyway, Mee or Vitor (when fit) were far better. Cunningham was first class, PVA less so, but I doubt a slow and rapidly aging Berner would have done better. Naughton was exellent pretty much all season, was that a problem? 4) The only point that has any truth, matchday tactics and the ability to change a game have never been his strongest suit, but thats Sven, always has been... Sven brought in talented players in the expectation that their natural ability would get us into the playoffs, as I said above, by the end of February it looked likely to work.... i take your points but up untill the end of february the only decent teams we beat were swansea and hull as soon as we came up against the top teams we lost them all!
marbelladave Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 i take your points but up untill the end of february the only decent teams we beat were swansea and hull as soon as we came up against the top teams we lost them all! As I have said elswhere, the decision to go for promotion and to do it using primarily loan players was a huge gamble that nearly payed off, but in the end fell short. As you say, not quite good enough. To call this a disaster, as some have (in other threads) is to simply fail to understand what Sven was trying to achieve after an awful start to the season.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 He believed the fans of the club would be behind the players when they play...... He knew that Weale made mistakes and had to get another goalkeeper. Everyone on this forum agreed. The only thing I read before the two games Weale done a good job in was that he could only be a back-up. Ricardo was free to sign, very cheap. A well known keeper. Even voted in WC all star team five years ago. It's a no brainer what I as a fan should cheer and welcome to the club. A potential play-off winner and a real asset or a back-up keeper making lots of mistakes. Ricardo hadn't played so much lately wich ment he had to play and regain a bit of his former ability. Even with his limited gametime he was better than Weale and the mistakes he did the defence could sort out. Weales mistakes led to conceding goals. At this moment some idiot fans blow the team spirit away by cheering for Weale under the crucial games that could lead to a potential automatic promotion. Ricardo could handle the situation but his teammates couldn't give it all when they had to hear their own fans takin a team member down completaly. Remember one thing about Sven and that is he wants a team to feel good.and be relaxed. When this nasty cheering went on his work went down the drain... Are you mongers happy now? Complete and utter nonsense... have you been to any away games and seen the number of fans we have taken this year. Our fans have been as superb this season as ever... The fans got on Ricardo's back because they thought he was shite... are you really blaming THIS on our current run of form?
Joe. Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I think most of us would agree that he's made plenty of mistakes, but I'm confident he can get it right in the summer with a full pre-season to work on things. At the back he's been extremely suspect with some of his decisions, while sticking with the likes of Yakubu through this patch has been questionable to say the least. He had a big job to do to get us up this season though, and I for one and glad we are stable with exciting hopes for next season. Wrote this earlier about it all: http://tinyurl.com/3qo4mrx
cc_star Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 He believed the fans of the club would be behind the players when they play...... He knew that Weale made mistakes and had to get another goalkeeper. Everyone on this forum agreed. The only thing I read before the two games Weale done a good job in was that he could only be a back-up. Ricardo was free to sign, very cheap. A well known keeper. Even voted in WC all star team five years ago. It's a no brainer what I as a fan should cheer and welcome to the club. A potential play-off winner and a real asset or a back-up keeper making lots of mistakes. Ricardo hadn't played so much lately wich ment he had to play and regain a bit of his former ability. Even with his limited gametime he was better than Weale and the mistakes he did the defence could sort out. Weales mistakes led to conceding goals. At this moment some idiot fans blow the team spirit away by cheering for Weale under the crucial games that could lead to a potential automatic promotion. Ricardo could handle the situation but his teammates couldn't give it all when they had to hear their own fans takin a team member down completaly. Remember one thing about Sven and that is he wants a team to feel good.and be relaxed. When this nasty cheering went on his work went down the drain... Are you mongers happy now? What a load of horseshit Weale was a solid keeper when playing behind an organised defence last season, playing behind Sven's defence* is a different story. Does he need replacing because we play a different game to last season, yes of course he does its obvious, should Weale have collected that ball against Forest and ricardo the one against Cov? Yes of course they should, but whilst the defence* is so totally and utter shit, what chance does any keeper have. *I say defence but I'm still to see evidence of one, its more like a team of headless chickens who met 5mins before kickoff most of the time. All of them want to play in the opponents half, this strikes me as Sven has failed to get the mix right despite signing as many players at the back as anyone could ever hope to. If the season started October 16th (Sven's first match) we'd be 9th, yes NINTH, with 5 of the teams below us with a game in hand... some messiah
Mav Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I could agree with you but you have to say what his mistakes were. You can also write down what his naivity was(besides the own fans). I claim that the team spirit were blown to pieces when the fans turned their back on the team at matches. No, the team spirit was shot when Vitor was dropped after his performance against scunthorpe.
hesapeepingtom Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 i wouldnt call this season a disaster more a total waste,it was there for the taking, no disrespect to norwich but they got up there by working as a team,they have not got the best players in the division by a long way yet they are right up there. Sven did well getting us away from the bottom so quickly,but we were within a great shout of the play offs and pissed it away,other teams are up there with a lesser calibre of playing staff and a lot less money spent thats the part that pisses me off! im bored of this season roll on august i will be expecting a lot of improvement come then.
Mav Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Also, our season was lost before it even started with sousas hopeless pre season
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