davieG Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15269831.stm Leading Premier League clubs should be able to negotiate their own overseas TV rights, Liverpool's managing director has been quoted as saying. Ian Ayre thinks English sides will be left behind by European rivals if they continue to be tied to a collective agreement, which expires in 2013. He told the Guardian: "Is it right that the international rights are shared equally between all the clubs? "What we are doing is disadvantaging ourselves against top European clubs." The current broadcasting deal for overseas rights is worth £1.4bn to the 20 Premier League clubs, with matches shown in 212 countries. Under current Premier League rules, 14 teams would need to vote in favour of any new arrangements. Ayre reportedly believes that Liverpool - along with Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal - deserve to receive an increased share. In Spain, Barcelona and Real Madrid are able to negotiate individual contracts. Ayre said: "What is absolutely certain is that, with the greatest of respect to our colleagues in the Premier League, if you're a Bolton fan in Bolton, then you subscribe to Sky because you want to watch Bolton. Everyone gets that. "Likewise, if you're a Liverpool fan from Liverpool, you subscribe. "But if you're in Kuala Lumpur there isn't anyone subscribing to Astro, or ESPN, to watch Bolton, or if they are it's a very small number. Whereas the large majority are subscribing because they want to watch Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal. "So is it right that the international rights are shared equally between all the clubs? Some people will say: 'Well you've got to all be in it to make it happen.' "But isn't it really about where the revenue is coming from, which is the broadcaster, and isn't it really about who people want to watch on that channel? We know it is us. And others. "At some point we definitely feel there has to be some rebalance on that, because what we are actually doing is disadvantaging ourselves against other big European clubs." Last month Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson called for more revenue from the overseas broadcasting deal, but he was in favour of sharing the money equally. Ferguson told BBC Sport: "We are being shown in 212 countries at the moment so whatever we are being paid, it is not enough. "There is a negotiation to be had there next time around. [individual rights] is the big issue in Spain at the moment but I've no great feelings about that. "We'd love to have our own but I don't think it should happen that way. It's quite fair to have all equal shares."
davieG Posted 12 October 2011 Author Posted 12 October 2011 I wonder if we negotiated our own deal for our home games to be shown in Thailand Not sure what the FL take on this is.
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 Greed! Football gone mad! I agree. Always had a soft spot for Liverpool but this is very disappointing. I'm guessing this has more to do with their attendances being capped at 45,000 rather than anything else. John W Henry has just about knocked any future new ground on the head and the attendance at Anfield cannot be increased any further so they're really looking to increase their revenue by shafting everyone else!
Ford Super Sunday Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 I wonder if we negotiated our own deal for our home games to be shown in Thailand Not sure what the FL take on this is. The money we receive from any Thailand deal will go into the collective pot for the FL clubs, as it did last season. As for the idea, it's terrible, and if it goes ahead RIP Premier League, it'll become the 'top five/six and the rest' league. Strong case to argue it can be called that now, but at least there's a small amount of unpredictability about it. Teams like Stoke and Aston Villa receiveing 80-90% less than they currently get in TV revenue would ruin the quality of their squad overnight. Add the other clubs into that and you have one hell of a boring league.
Mack Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 IF this is allowed then it will be the beggining of the end for the Premier League. The leagues that allow their 'big' clubs to tender their own TV deals (Spain being the biggest example) end up with a huge gulf between the haves and have nots both on and off the field.
Benji Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 They use Spain as an example of what Barcelona and Real Madrid do and yet that couldn't be a worse example to use given the gulf between the top two or three and the rest. The premier league is competitive for a reason.
Tielemans63 Posted 12 October 2011 Posted 12 October 2011 They use Spain as an example of what Barcelona and Real Madrid do and yet that couldn't be a worse example to use given the gulf between the top two or three and the rest. The premier league is competitive for a reason. Spot on. That's exactly what I was going to say. Barca and Real's vastly superior income has killed off the competition that decent sides like Valencia, Depor and Atletico used to provide.
lcfcadam Posted 13 October 2011 Posted 13 October 2011 Wigan chairman Dave Whelan says Liverpool's "scandalous" call for clubs to sell their own overseas TV rights would "kill half the Premier League".Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre believes the current system - where revenies are shared equally between the 20 clubs - is unfair to bigger teams. But Whelan said: "It is absolutely scandalous. It would kill Wigan Athletic. It would kill Blackburn." Liverpool would need at 13 other clubs' support for any changes to be made. But Manchester City, Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea are all understood to be against it. The league's rights deal, which expires in 2013, is worth £1.4bn. Ayre wants to adopt the Spanish model, where individual clubs have the freedom to negotiate their own packages based upon their global popularity. He believes it would generate far more money for top teams, allowing them to recruit the best players and stay competitive in Europe. But Latics chairman Whelan is quoted by several newspapers as saying: "It is the 'American Dream', this. They are thinking 'How can we get more money?' "But you won't get more money by killing the heart and soul of the Premier League and of football in England. "The worst thing for English football is for teams like Liverpool - the top four let's say - who want to get rid of virtually half the Premier League. "We will finish up like the Spanish league with just two teams in it, no competition, no anything, no heart and soul in the league. "What we have is the finest league in the whole world and what Liverpool are calling for would absolutely wreck it. The likes of Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Wolves, Sunderland and Newcastle couldn't compete." Latics manager Roberto Martinez agrees, arguing that the Spanish model has not worked in his native country. "Real Madrid and Barcelona are getting richer and the others are finding it harder, year by year, to compete. "That is great for the two football clubs but no good for the league. "The good thing we have [in England] is the competitive edge. That is there for a reason. We should realise why." Asked whether fans in Spain are starting to get bored by the dominance of their Big Two, Martinez said: "Yes. They end up supporting Barcelona or Real Madrid. "They don't support their own [local] teams because they are not competing. "You end up splitting Spain into two football teams. The league suffers. That is a shame." Dave Whelan gets it spot on, glad to hear that it seems Liverpool are alone in calling for this and therefore very unlikely to get enough votes in their favour.
djedmundo Posted 13 October 2011 Posted 13 October 2011 what a load of rubbish from liverpool!!! i'm fed up of seeing the same teams all the time anyway give me a televised relegation scrap any day!
gazfox9 Posted 13 October 2011 Posted 13 October 2011 Pure greed. It'll never happen though. There is no way whatsoever 14 of the 20 premier league sides would vote in favour. It would only benefit the biggest sides. The likes of Swansea,Bolton,Blackburn,Wolves,Fulham,Norwich etc etc would lose all ends up.
FoxyPV Posted 14 October 2011 Posted 14 October 2011 I'm glad to see the rest of the wealthier clubs have told Liverpool to do one although it is only the overseas tv rights. Is the domestic money not split amongst the clubs based partially on appearances?
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