Syria - What happens next?

[Captain...]

So let me get this right, according to El Empty the Syrian rebels in Homs are terrorists who've hoodwinked the West, UN, Arab League and various humanitarian organistions and made them believe that the Assad regime are killing Syrian citizens, when in actual fact it's the rebels who are doing the killings? Or have I misunderstood?

Yes and no, basically somebody is killing Syrian Citizens, Assad say it is the rebels, the rebels say it is Assad, the West generally seems to be taking the side of the rebels, but then they hate Assad so they probably would.

The underlying point here and the only thing they agree on is that Syrian Citizens are being killed, and that really shouldn't be tolerated and it needs to be stopped, but Russia and China have vetoed UN resolutions to support the rebels, I wonder if the resolution was to go into Syria and prevent the killing of citizens they would agree and maybe their reasons for the veto is that they can't support the rebels as they believe they are terrorists killing civilians, dunno, but it wouldn't be the first time the Western media was lied to and lied to us.

[Zingari]

So let me get this right, according to El Empty the Syrian rebels in Homs are terrorists who've hoodwinked the West, UN, Arab League and various humanitarian organistions and made them believe that the Assad regime are killing Syrian citizens, when in actual fact it's the rebels who are doing the killings? Or have I misunderstood?

The claim, to my understanding, is that the snipers are CIA Mossad MI6 trained and funded mercenaries sent in purposely to create mayhem and give the appearance of civil war and unrest. In other words " firestarters"

The West is doing its best to destabilize the situation in Syria, author and journalist Webster Tarpley told RT. According to him, civilians have to deal with death squads and blind terrorism, which is typical of the CIA. “What average Syrians of all ethnic groups say about this is that they are being shot at by snipers. People complained that there are terrorist snipers who are shooting at civilians, blind terrorism simply for the purpose of destabilizing the country. I would not call this civil war – it is a very misleading term. What you are dealing with here are death squads, you are dealing with terror commandos; this is a typical CIA method. In this case it’s a joint production of CIA, MI6, Mossad, it’s got money coming from Saudi Arabia, The United Arab Emirates and Qatar,”

[Reynard Bleu]

How would you know that most people in Syria are pro Assad? He allows no alternative to his absolute rule and shelling a city full of civillians is the action of a resonable regime? He's not the only one of course and the west shames itself with its selective support for its 'allies' in the region. But Assad is a despot and tyrant who will kill his own people to maintain his grip on power. Whatever the west is doing or not doing Assad is a cvnt.

[BoneDog]

The rebels are not Syrian and they are also not Muslims. People should know that these guys are as far away from Islam as can be. Anybody who stands there shouting "God is Great" whilst shooting and bombing random civilians (who ironically* are God's Creation) is obviously a fake and has never read The Quran. But the whole image does help certain powers gain public support for their missions.

This was todays main headline on RT (channel 512). The video is two and a half minutes long.

http://rt.com/news/syrian-witness-report-rebel-crimes-639/

And then you have this:

http://rt.com/news/cameron-assad-rebels-crescent-711/

I have not had chance to watch all of those videos, but I will get round to it, but I am pretty sure as always the real truth lies somewhere between the official Western propaganda and the Assad propaganda.

I agree that I wouldn't trust Assad just as I don't trust most people at the top levels of any government around the world. But I believe he is the lesser of two evils in this situation and his country and people would be much better off if these rebels were quickly obliterated. Most citizens in Syria could get along with a normal everyday existence before these terrorists started coming over the borders.

Interesting stuff Empty , I really don’t know what to believe anymore .

I think USA and UK did try something similar in Syria in the 50s but the Russians got wind of it and were greater allies back then and warned them off .

It's a shame that the Russians seem to be backing down in their support of Assad because I thought that with their full backing this could be ended soon.

So let me get this right, according to El Empty the Syrian rebels in Homs are terrorists who've hoodwinked the West, UN, Arab League and various humanitarian organistions and made them believe that the Assad regime are killing Syrian citizens, when in actual fact it's the rebels who are doing the killings? Or have I misunderstood?

It's not according to me! It's according to many of the best and and most courageous journalists around the globe. The terrorists have not hoodwinked anyone in power in the West or The Arab League. The terrorists have been recruited, trained, funded and shipped into position by certain factions in the West and the Arab League. And the West also knows exactly who and what kind of people these terrorist so-called rebels are. There can be no excuse from any power in the West when we see the consequences of backing these guys. It is their doing. Anybody who wants these 'rebels' to be given even more arms and support is insane.

As for the humanitarian organizations, thankfully now that the Syrian Army has kicked out the rebels from Homs, The Red Cross and others have been allowed in to help. When the rebels had control no aid was allowed in.

How would you know that most people in Syria are pro Assad? He allows no alternative to his absolute rule and shelling a city full of civillians is the action of a resonable regime? He's not the only one of course and the west shames itself with its selective support for its 'allies' in the region. But Assad is a despot and tyrant who will kill his own people to maintain his grip on power. Whatever the west is doing or not doing Assad is a cvnt.

Yes Assad is most likely a cvnt. But in a situation where it would require hundreds of thousands of indiscriminate deaths and injuries to replace him with an even bigger cvnt, I think it is better to stick with the cvnt you know.

The shelling was awful but thousands of civilians had been killed by rebels beforehand. Hundreds of Syrian soldiers and security forces were also killed so I think any government would be forced to act. I've heard reports that say people in Syria feel that the government took too long to step in with the army. The Syrians want this 'revolution' to finish.

*not sure if that is the right word!

[FoxyPV]

The Libyan rebels held quite a large amount of territory which allowed air strikes to happen. The Syrian dissidents hold no secure land area which means that it would be extremely unsafe to send the airforce in.

Ideally we should help but Syria is in such a politcally volatile region, it could cause major unrest for decades.

[Gold Coast Fox]

As awful as it this will sound, it's not our fight.

As much as id like to see the like of Europe and America intervene like in Libya, Syria has a much more capable army, the British army is underfunded and under supplied (from what i've heard) and with the like of china and russia opposing intervention, it would be a very risky move.

I also think we should be keeping our forces out of Syria and ready for action eles where, just incase the likes of Argentina do decide to make another move for the the falklands islands or the iran situation gets out of hand, as this would have greater implications for the uk. (Heartless as it might sound)

PS. This is only my opinion and i could be way off the mark with most of what i say because i don't know the ins and outs of any of this, just going on what i've seen and heard on the news and so on.

[mhs123]

why doesn't the Syrians claim to have an underground oil reserve and the western armies will be there in a flash

[marko]

The rebels are not Syrian and they are also not Muslims. People should know that these guys are as far away from Islam as can be. Anybody who stands there shouting "God is Great" whilst shooting and bombing random civilians (who ironically* are God's Creation) is obviously a fake and has never read The Quran. But the whole image does help certain powers gain public support for their missions.

This was todays main headline on RT (channel 512). The video is two and a half minutes long.

http://rt.com/news/s...bel-crimes-639/

And then you have this:

http://rt.com/news/c...s-crescent-711/

I agree that I wouldn't trust Assad just as I don't trust most people at the top levels of any government around the world. But I believe he is the lesser of two evils in this situation and his country and people would be much better off if these rebels were quickly obliterated. Most citizens in Syria could get along with a normal everyday existence before these terrorists started coming over the borders.

It's a shame that the Russians seem to be backing down in their support of Assad because I thought that with their full backing this could be ended soon.

It's not according to me! It's according to many of the best and and most courageous journalists around the globe. The terrorists have not hoodwinked anyone in power in the West or The Arab League. The terrorists have been recruited, trained, funded and shipped into position by certain factions in the West and the Arab League. And the West also knows exactly who and what kind of people these terrorist so-called rebels are. There can be no excuse from any power in the West when we see the consequences of backing these guys. It is their doing. Anybody who wants these 'rebels' to be given even more arms and support is insane.

As for the humanitarian organizations, thankfully now that the Syrian Army has kicked out the rebels from Homs, The Red Cross and others have been allowed in to help. When the rebels had control no aid was allowed in.

Yes Assad is most likely a cvnt. But in a situation where it would require hundreds of thousands of indiscriminate deaths and injuries to replace him with an even bigger cvnt, I think it is better to stick with the cvnt you know.

The shelling was awful but thousands of civilians had been killed by rebels beforehand. Hundreds of Syrian soldiers and security forces were also killed so I think any government would be forced to act. I've heard reports that say people in Syria feel that the government took too long to step in with the army. The Syrians want this 'revolution' to finish.

*not sure if that is the right word!

lol

Right-o, i'll take your word for it.

You state that the Red Cross have now been let in! We'll you're wrong, sunshine. Also, the fact that even the Chinese are calling for an end to the violence and encouraging the Assad regime to enter talks with the Arab League speaks volumes about who's doing the killings.

One day you'll realise not everything in this world is part of some grand, global plan by some mythical secret society hell bent on world domination.

[Zingari]

lol

Right-o, i'll take your word for it.

You state that the Red Cross have now been let in! We'll you're wrong, sunshine. Also, the fact that even the Chinese are calling for an end to the violence and encouraging the Assad regime to enter talks with the Arab League speaks volumes about who's doing the killings.

One day you'll realise not everything in this world is part of some grand, global plan by some mythical secret society hell bent on world domination.

History is littered with groups hell bent on world domination and this has usually been tried with open aggressive force and eventually fails.

But “possibly” the new tactic is to make us gradually demand that the world is run globally and this is achieved by much more stealthy methods.

They (whoever “they” are) seem to be gradually encouraging us to give up liberties for our own security and well being.( patriot act , homeland security etc in the US )

Remember whatever liberties we have taken away from us can be fought for and won back, but those that are freely given by us cannot.

I’m only offering this scenario as a possible explanation of what may be happening in world politics and that we should not dismiss Empty’s opinions too lightly.

I really do not “know” anything for sure , but I’m also fairly sure that neither do the vast majority of us “know” anything for sure

Maybe he is wrong, but maybe not. Maybe we are just “frogs in the pot” not noticing our own gradual entrapment. Maybe all is just as we are told .

Ps

Empty will make his own reply I’m sure , but this is just my own understanding of his posts , and long may he continue to post, imo, because I really believe the world needs a few like him

pps

And that's not saying we don't need the Markos as well,because we do , it's just that maybe we ought to listen a little more to each other

[marko]

Well to be honest Zing, i'm always hearing about these organisations (illuminati, etc, etc)who are taking over the world, etc, etc. But let's face it, they're pretty bloody hopeless! They've had hundreds and hundreds of years to achieve this "global domination" and no-one has even come remotely close. I'm pretty sure if it was going to happen, it'd be here by now.

El Empty will always find some video of some Paranoid Pete that says "we're doomed I tell thee, run for the hills, the secret global corporation is coming and you ain't going to like it".

[skinnydipper]

A bigger question may be How Do You Solve A Problem Like Iran?

Personally, I don't think that Lloyd-Webber and Norton are up to it this time.

[Zingari]

Well to be honest Zing, i'm always hearing about these organisations (illuminati, etc, etc)who are taking over the world, etc, etc. But let's face it, they're pretty bloody hopeless! They've had hundreds and hundreds of years to achieve this "global domination" and no-one has even come remotely close. I'm pretty sure if it was going to happen, it'd be here by now.

El Empty will always find some video of some Paranoid Pete that says "we're doomed I tell thee, run for the hills, the secret global corporation is coming and you ain't going to like it".

Yes of course, it does appear that were global domination possible it would have already happened.

But the point Empty and many others are trying to make is that this is a new form of technological infowar not previously possible on a grand scale.

This type of infowar does not appear aggressive to us and it bathes us in a warm feeling that the global masters of finance /military/industry are here to protect us and aiming for a utopian world peace by letting them take our liberty in exchange for extra powers freely given to them by us to fight of any opposition these ideals.

Some people call it the Hegelian principle roughly translated as:

Create a problem or threat

Reaction is to demand protection

Offer the solution but at a cost to our liberty

Therefore they gradually or incrementally dominate us at our request until we get to the tipping point of no return and which makes it almost impossible to recover those lost liberties

I don’t think Empty is saying that global dominance by these shadowy puppet masters has already happened and complete, I believe he is saying that it is at a fairly advanced stage in the process.

Hopefully he’ll give you his own take in good time though as this really is just my opinion of his views and i'm a bit concerned we've got a bit sidetracked in the thread so before Webbo and his goons come to whisk me off , I'll leave it there .

all the best anyway marko

edit ;

yes skinnydipper, Iran does seem to be where the real action is going to take place soon enough

[speedwayson]

this is a bit for a sunday when you are watching tottingham getting thrashed by utd but you can look at it and say why bother everyone ates us in the world but they all keep coming here to live i say let em blow each other to bits then creep in and grab all the oil

[flowwolf]

I still do not know why we ( the British ) set ourselves up as some kind of world sheriff. Our governments take the moral high ground completely ignoring our own historical background of domination and abuse of colonized countries. When ever the Americans shout shit we jump on the shovel and do their bidding. The situation in Syria has got absolutely nothing to do with us , but no doubt we shall be sticking our unwanted noses in again and bombing innocent civilians to death.

We can't even afford to say as a British citizen " not in my name" because we the public will no doubt be blown to pieces on public transport by Muslim fanatics hell bent on revenge for what we do in their Islamic countries. Trouble is I don't think we will ever learn to keep out noses out of other peoples problems.

[Captain...]

I still do not know why we ( the British ) set ourselves up as some kind of world sheriff. Our governments take the moral high ground completely ignoring our own historical background of domination and abuse of colonized countries. When ever the Americans shout shit we jump on the shovel and do their bidding. The situation in Syria has got absolutely nothing to do with us , but no doubt we shall be sticking our unwanted noses in again and bombing innocent civilians to death.

We can't even afford to say as a British citizen " not in my name" because we the public will no doubt be blown to pieces on public transport by Muslim fanatics hell bent on revenge for what we do in their Islamic countries. Trouble is I don't think we will ever learn to keep out noses out of other peoples problems.

You are kinda right and wrong, we should get involved in situations when innocent people are dying, if we don't we are failing as human being, but not as the UK and the US vs Islam and communism, but as a joint operation with the UN and the Arab League as part of a peace keeping mission protecting the innocent and human rights.

[breadandcheese]

There is very little we can do. It is one of those horrible situations, where we know people will die, but there is nothing we can do.

Assad's troops are using indiscriminate tactics, shelling an entire district in Homs, just as his father's troops did in the early 80s.. There are no precision weapons being used, and the true horrors of this approach will be revealed, which will show how much care our troops take (or try to take) when fighting in Afghanistan (or when they fought in Iraq).

However, do those fighting Assad want a free democratic Syria? Just like Libya, the answer looks likely to be no, so I see no reason for us to commit troops.

El Empty, the problem I have with your analysis is that if the West had taken the stance of Russia and backed Assad, you and your Press TV journalists would be claiming it is a Western/Zionist plot, designed to stop the free Syrians from exercising their will. As it is, the West is criticising Assad and looking to see if there's anything they can do so instead it's a Western/Zionist plot designed to create a civil war. Is there anything that's happened in the last 100 years that isn't a Western/Zionist plot? I took a dump about 30 mins ago that took two flushes to go down. Is there a Western/Zionist plot to damage the flushing power of toilets everywhere and cover the world in p00?

[BoneDog]

lol

Right-o, i'll take your word for it.

You state that the Red Cross have now been let in! We'll you're wrong, sunshine. Also, the fact that even the Chinese are calling for an end to the violence and encouraging the Assad regime to enter talks with the Arab League speaks volumes about who's doing the killings.

One day you'll realise not everything in this world is part of some grand, global plan by some mythical secret society hell bent on world domination.

Some aid was allowed in to Homs when the rebels retreated. I was only reporting what was in the news. It is well known that the FSA (joke name) refused aid while they were in control and were also refusing injured people to have an exit. It is also well known that they've committed atrocities, just like they have done/are doing in Libya. Their gangs are full of despicable racist (as proved in Libya), rapist thugs and if you think that the Syrians want anything to do with these foreign rebels then you're wrong.

And what do you mean by "mythical secret society"? Are you saying that they don't exist? Or that they haven't infiltrated all aspects of government and society? You should read Albert Pike's books for starters to get some info straight from the horses mouth and stop living in La La Land. To be honest though, I suspect that if you did read them, the enormity of what you are reading would be straight over your head.

There are no precision weapons being used, and the true horrors of this approach will be revealed, which will show how much care our troops take (or try to take) when fighting in Afghanistan (or when they fought in Iraq).

Some of our weaponry is precise and I agree that a large majority of our troops would try to take care not to harm innocents. But alot of our bombing and shelling is indiscriminate just as Assads would be. In Iraq recently we had killed thousands of civilians from airstrikes and artillery before our troops even got near the cities.

However, do those fighting Assad want a free democratic Syria? Just like Libya, the answer looks likely to be no, so I see no reason for us to commit troops.

Totally agree with this. Another reason not to commit troops would be that I think they deserve a long break! They have been hard at it for years now, are not fully backed by our government with essential equipment and to top it all off, injured soldiers don't get the full support the government owes them upon their return.

El Empty, the problem I have with your analysis is that if the West had taken the stance of Russia and backed Assad, you and your Press TV journalists would be claiming it is a Western/Zionist plot, designed to stop the free Syrians from exercising their will. As it is, the West is criticising Assad and looking to see if there's anything they can do so instead it's a Western/Zionist plot designed to create a civil war. Is there anything that's happened in the last 100 years that isn't a Western/Zionist plot? I took a dump about 30 mins ago that took two flushes to go down. Is there a Western/Zionist plot to damage the flushing power of toilets everywhere and cover the world in p00?

On your first point I don't think I would be claiming that at all! As for PressTV, I stopped watching them during the Libya 'revolution', even before they were banned from the TV, because I noticed some bullshine regarding the rebels. PressTV gave some support to the rebels and that was that for me. The video I posted just happened to be Tarpley being interviewed on there, but he isn't a PressTV journalist, he appears on many news outlets as his own man.

I don't think I've mentioned Zionism in the last year, but as to your question about it, I think that many of the major events that have shaken the world in the past 100 years have involved them and the West's powers, yes. WWI and WWII, for example, were created by all parties involved and the US and Britain were arming Hitler and also selling him the raw materials for his war machine. Without our help he wouldn't have been able to fly his bombers to our shores and kill our civilians. And the evidence seems to prove that it was no accident or mistake, but orchestrated. The same families in the US and Britain were arming the "bogeymen" then as are now. It's not a secret so I'm not sure why people don't realize it.

Perhaps we should keep this thread about Syria though, so if anyone wants to shit talk about this stuff then I think you should say it in one of the conspiracy threads I noticed recently (I'll have a gleg in there soon yo)!

Edit: And Zingari was spot on with this - "I don’t think Empty is saying that global dominance by these shadowy puppet masters has already happened and complete, I believe he is saying that it is at a fairly advanced stage in the process".

Also, I'm not slating PressTV, they have some great reports, I just didn't want to watch them spouting the crap about supporting the rebels so I turned off.

[marko]

Some aid was allowed in to Homs when the rebels retreated. I was only reporting what was in the news. It is well known that the FSA (joke name) refused aid while they were in control and were also refusing injured people to have an exit. It is also well known that they've committed atrocities, just like they have done/are doing in Libya. Their gangs are full of despicable racist (as proved in Libya), rapist thugs and if you think that the Syrians want anything to do with these foreign rebels then you're wrong.

And what do you mean by "mythical secret society"? Are you saying that they don't exist? Or that they haven't infiltrated all aspects of government and society? You should read Albert Pike's books for starters to get some info straight from the horses mouth and stop living in La La Land. To be honest though, I suspect that if you did read them, the enormity of what you are reading would be straight over your head.

Why report what's in the news?! I thought they were a bunch of lying scumbags?

lol Ok El Emptyhead I won't bother wasting my time if it's so far past my level of intellect and intelligence. One day you'll realise you've wasted your life on this pap.

[skinnydipper]

Is La la land a bit like Teletubby land ?

[Reynard Bleu]

Right so we're all agreed then?

[Zingari]

Is La la land a bit like Teletubby land ?

no, more like Poland

[skinnydipper]

Took me at least 3 minutes to get that

[Zingari]

Took me at least 3 minutes to get that

having a dipsy day ? maybe your wig is too tight

shouldn't you be trying to get chummy sent down or something and not wasting time trying to fathom out my crap jokes ?

[skinnydipper]

having a dipsy day ? maybe your wig is too tight

shouldn't you be trying to get chummy sent down or something and not wasting time trying to fathom out my crap jokes ?

Shocked that you made no mention of Tinky Winky

Doing a tedious attendance note at home before dashing off to wield the sword of truth and justice so your crap jokes are a welcome distraction

[Zingari]

Shocked that you made no mention of Tinky Winky

Doing a tedious attendance note at home before dashing off to wield the sword of truth and justice so your crap jokes are a welcome distraction

Make sure you get 'em bang to rights .We don't want some miscreant getting out of a good long stretch due to some legal loophole while you’d got your eye off the ball reading this stuff.