Syria - What happens next?

[Jaspa]

This thread may have died down, but the chaos most certainly hasn't

Found a Docu/Info piece from one of my many sites some of you may appreciate ( El Empty, Zing )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx32Z6jpvjU&feature=player_embedded

[breadandcheese]

big reply

I never did reply to this and it's a long time ago, but needless to say I disagree. Quick response. I still believe that a lot of the websites you visit have traditional Judeophobic and anti-semitic tendencies, only they replace the word Jew with Zionist, and use the cover of a very small sect of Jews (the one in your video link) to hide it. If Israel did not exist, would there be no Jew hating? I don't think so. There would still be accusations of controlling the world and plots of world domination.

Anyhow, back on point, it is all very sad in Syria. it's a full blown civil war, there's nothing we can do and people will lose their lives. Both sides are as bad as each other and it's looking like democracy at the end of this conflict will be a distant dream, no matter who wins.

The quitting of Kofi Annan, shows how hopeless the situation is. I think it is now a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia (+ the other gulf states). El Empty, I know you'll say that America is behind Saudi Arabia, but I'm not so sure who's driving who. I think Saudi Arabia have a number of cards they can play as they've always been the big regional player in the Middle East. Iran has encroached onto that, backing the Syrians, Hezbollah, Hamas, forming strong links with Iraq and going down the path of developing nuclear weapons, to give it a hegemony over it's Sunni neighbour.

[Rincewind]

If the Americans can find it on the map they will invade and bomb it.

[BoneDog]

I never did reply to this and it's a long time ago, but needless to say I disagree. Quick response. I still believe that a lot of the websites you visit have traditional Judeophobic and anti-semitic tendencies, only they replace the word Jew with Zionist, and use the cover of a very small sect of Jews (the one in your video link) to hide it. If Israel did not exist, would there be no Jew hating? I don't think so. There would still be accusations of controlling the world and plots of world domination.

Anyhow, back on point, it is all very sad in Syria. it's a full blown civil war, there's nothing we can do and people will lose their lives. Both sides are as bad as each other and it's looking like democracy at the end of this conflict will be a distant dream, no matter who wins.

The quitting of Kofi Annan, shows how hopeless the situation is. I think it is now a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia (+ the other gulf states). El Empty, I know you'll say that America is behind Saudi Arabia, but I'm not so sure who's driving who. I think Saudi Arabia have a number of cards they can play as they've always been the big regional player in the Middle East. Iran has encroached onto that, backing the Syrians, Hezbollah, Hamas, forming strong links with Iraq and going down the path of developing nuclear weapons, to give it a hegemony over it's Sunni neighbour.

Highlighted part 1 - Which websites do I visit that are anti-semitic?

Are you a zionist? I think you are. I went over a year without mentioning zionism or 'Jews', but you kept on piping up with crap in reply to my serious posts. I noticed you do that a few times. It was you who brought up the subject on numerous occasions, not me.

Highlight 2 - There's plenty we could do. We could stop backing terrorists. We could stop airlifting terrorists into Turkey and then moving them into Syria with CIA help just for starters. We could do much more. And if we did do these things then I'm sure Syria would be back to the overall peaceful situation it was in before the terrorists started crossing the borders over a year ago.

Syria was a pretty peaceful and normal country before we started sending in snipers and armed gangs. It is a secular country where most people were happy until the last year or so.

Highlight 4 - No they are not as bad as eachother. Assad is a far better option than the rebels. Most people were able to get on with normal everyday lives when Assad was in complete control. The 15% Christian population were happy. Other minorities were getting on ok too. There was only a small percentage of the population who were unhappy. Towns and villages weren't getting destroyed and massacred before the rebel terrorists arrived. It was quite a decent place before the terrorists moved in. Fact.

I've heard the "they're both as bad as eachother" quote too often and it is utter baloney.

Highlight 4 - Mmmm-kay.

I'd also like to see your proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. All the intelligence people from the US that I've heard speak about it say it is untrue and that there is no proof whatsoever to back such a claim. Did Hilary say it in one of her rants or something? Must be true if so.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

The Syrian situation is probably the most threatening of all the Middle East Wars. It would only need a nuclear weapon, to be used by the Syrian government, to cause a dangerous global confrontation. They have the capability, and could well use one, unless the situation can be somehow defused

The Syrians have threatened the use of chemical weapons,which in itself blatantly reflects their disregard of any form of decency.

Assad himself, is proving himself to be another "butcher", and has no intention of bowing to Democracy.

[Webbo]

The Syrians do not have any nukes.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

The Syrians do not have any nukes.

I'm sure I heard mention of it, but I bow to your superior knowledge

[BoneDog]

Alot has cracked off in the last 18 days but I'll try not to go on.

I remember not long ago we had Hague come out and tell the British public that we are sending £5million to the Syrian 'rebels' (most of whom aren't Syrians) and he said it will 'save lives'. I was going to put a l o l face but it's not funny. The very next day after being told we're sending £5mill, we had the Syrian postal workers video come out - http://rt.com/news/s...post-video-476/ - The video's a little graphic but I think the postmen were already dead before they got thrown off the roof. Are we happy to be sending these men our taxes? And does anyone really believe those words saying that it will 'save lives'? If you do believe so, you are very wrong.

These FSA scum are killing Christians, postmen, engineers, doctors and anyone else who works for, or supports the government. They're doing the dirty work for scumbags from outside of Syria and are not helping Syrian people in any way.

Good chat, poor sound though. EDIT: Sound's been sorted.

"The imperialists are getting desperate. What is Clintons diplomacy worth if 30 countries, representing about half the worlds population, can come together on a pro-Syrian, pro-independance platform?"

Be prepared for a large incident or 'ugly surprise' to get the Israeli/US and the rest of the clans plan back on track.

Good news clip with Escobar. INFO

"The end of international law as we knew it.""Lebanonize and Somali-ize northern Syria - the Israeli strategy."T

he people behind this push for war only ever steal, deceive, destroy and kill. I can't believe that many people in the West seem to condone this, but it must be because our leaders and the majority of media egg it on with repeated lies and propaganda.

At the moment it seems that the Syrian army are dealing with the different rebel groups and removing them from towns, but when you hear about the tens of thousands more mercenaries that outside countries are shipping in things can only keep on getting worse - especially when the West openly back the terrorist bombings that are happening in major Syrian cities.

I never thought I'd see the day that the West openly back terrorist car bombings on innocents! It's always been obvious that they secretly condone them, but for them to go public with support is a bit of a shock! Sign of the times I suppose.

[MPH]

The Syrians do not have any nukes.

What they do have, however is an excellent missle/ air defence system especially so along the Israeli border area ( with a slice of Jordan between).. Any Israeli offense ( and i do believe there will be one eventually) will have to be very well planned. I expect it will be too.

[Reynard Bleu]

If the Israeli's of the US want to bomb Syria they will, the air defence network will be taken down just as Iraq's very, very good integrated air defence was taken down in the two recent campaigns. Syrian Command and Control is already disorganised after months of civil war. Syrian boasts of a chemical/biological capabikity which they would use on any invaders is more of a concern, by nature these are indiscriminate area weapons that are more leathal to the local population than to the military who will have at least some protection against them.

[EnderbyFox]

All internet connections in Syria have been disabled, this can't be good! Makes reporting whats actually happening there even more difficult..

[BoneDog]

Probably the outside turning off the connections. They've already done the satellite tv stations on a few occasions.

[I am Rod Hull]

Russia says it will go ahead with deliveries of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Syria, and that the arms will help deter foreign intervention.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said the missiles were a "stabilising factor" that could dissuade "some hotheads" from entering the conflict.

Russia also criticised an EU decision not to renew an arms embargo on Syria.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22688894

 

 

A nice little "GTFO" from the Ruskies.

 

 

 

[Guest MattP]

 

Russia says it will go ahead with deliveries of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Syria, and that the arms will help deter foreign intervention.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said the missiles were a "stabilising factor" that could dissuade "some hotheads" from entering the conflict.

Russia also criticised an EU decision not to renew an arms embargo on Syria.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22688894

 

 

A nice little "GTFO" from the Ruskies.

 

Not really a problem is it for Russia, they have been massacring their own for years.

[Trav Le Bleu]

The Syrians do not have any nukes.

 

Not until Russia gives them some.

[BoneDog]

Thanks to the western taxpayer, western governments and Al Qaeda, Syria is now well and truly f*&ked and it's far from over. A once secular country, that was moving forward, and where Christians were safe has been turned to shit. Can't believe that 'we' are still backing the terrorists in these wars. I've been watching this for about two years now and right from the start it was the outside terrorists who've caused it all. I despise the pricks.

 

They've been chucking postmen off 50ft high buildings, murdering Christians, Imams, civilians, eating hearts and using chemical weapons. The place will soon be a rogue state, ran by warlords, with constant terrorism and what's left of the population living in fear. 

 

We haven't even seen the start of what's to come thanks to 'our' backing of Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. Such a sorry state - and what's even sorrier is seeing the way it is all being spun to audiences over here.

[Stadt]

Apparently chemical weapons used by the Assad regime

[The God Emperor]

I wonder if Syria stopped using the US dollar as a reserve currency? could explain the west backing the rebels like we did in Libya

[Guest MattP]

Assads regime or Al Queda groups/Muslim brotherhood.

Great choice.

[ADK]

Shame we can't just colonise the place and make it civilised.

[Jordan]

Apparently chemical weapons used by the Assad regime

This would fit in nicely with the narratives pushed by the West, but there's often more than what meets the eye when it comes to reports out of Syria.

Intervention in this conflict is such a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't matter for the USA and the EU, and the Sophie's Choice posed by MattP is just one of the reasons why. It's almost as if this is a 21st century version of a Cold War hotspot.

[Zingari]

Shame we can't just colonise the place and make it civilised.

shame we can't do it here 

[breadandcheese]

Assads regime or Al Queda groups/Muslim brotherhood.

Great choice.

 

I agree, but we can't stand by and do nothing when faced with the scenario we saw yesterday.  

 

Whether it's possible to carve out safe zones for civilians, independent of the conflict, so as not to take sides in the conflicts?  Yes it would mean boots on the ground and potentially put us in the middle, but it would provide an opportunity to carve out areas where civilians can move to without fear of being shelled.

[Webbo]

This would fit in nicely with the narratives pushed by the West, but there's often more than what meets the eye when it comes to reports out of Syria.

Intervention in this conflict is such a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't matter for the USA and the EU, and the Sophie's Choice posed by MattP is just one of the reasons why. It's almost as if this is a 21st century version of a Cold War hotspot.

Isn't it Hobson's choice?

[Zingari]

Isn't it Hobson's choice?

Sophie's choice means someone dies either way ( i think ) Sophie had to choose of which of her  children lived or died at the nazi hands ( i've not seen the film or read the book so this is a bit sketchy ) 

 

Hobson's choice is no choice at all