TERROR THREATS TO UK

[lush]

A new videotape showing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's right-hand man Ayman al Zawahiri has been broadcast threatening London with more attacks.

The video was broadcast by the al Jazeera satellite channel.

Al Zawahiri warned Britons that Prime Minister Tony Blair's policies will bring more destruction to London.

He said: "Blair's policies will bring more destruction to Britons after the London explosions.

"Blair has brought to you destruction in central London, and he will bring more of that, God willing."

Referring to the Western nations who have contributed troops to the US-led multinational force in Iraq, he said: "As to the nations of the crusader alliance, we have offered you a truce if you leave the land of Islam.

"Hasn't Sheik Osama bin Laden told you that you will not dream of security before there is security in Palestine and before all the infidel armies withdraw from the land of Muhammed."

[Gamesmaster]

why dont we just leave them be.

wish john lennon was still alive, his message of peace touched the hearts of millions of people.

[lush]

John Lennon was a fantasist, but i agree, we should pullout of islamic countries.

The problem is, that we can earn alot of money in them places, and powerfull governments arnt going to let a chance like that go by without a `fight`.

[Thracian]

why dont we just leave them be.

wish john lennon was still alive, his message of peace touched the hearts of millions of people.

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What a pity you don't tell that to all the activists in this country who are provenly and outspokenly determined to ruin our way of life and who are publicly supported by journalistic and administrative activists at the BBC who in some societies might be considered traitors.

It isn't very comfortable and believe me I wish I could ignore the evidence of my own eyes and be a good neighbour to people of all persuasions (which is certainly what I have been and would want to continue being) but I would remind you and, particularly all the young people on this forum that it is your country and if you don't fight for it (verbally and vigourously), then you will soon not have a country as you know it to fight for.

Why don't you read the front page of the Daily Express today if you want to see the very evidence that I warned about on this forum days ago and have warned my own family about regularly over the last three years?.

Did I not say that the BBC offered a forum for the Muslims after the London bombings? Well the Daily Express have followed up a few days late.

The people of this country are having the piss taken out of them and by the very people who they believe represent a fair and unbiased opinion and who, as their nation's broadcasting service should be determined to protect and defend our way of life... because they are the BBC...The BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation.

Furthermore, not only do they take the piss but they make YOU pay for it.

Like the Chinese make the family of criminal's pay for the bullet they use to execute that criminal.

And before people are tempted to liken me to others on this forum I have no political or religious allegiance but I am a patriot. I do care for this country and all its colourful diversity. But I don't care for those who would bring it down and I don't care for the political activists of the BBC who, of course, did so much to ensure that this Godforsaken Government got re-elected (by the Scots and the Welsh).

(With apologies to Babylon cos I hadn't intended to broach this subject ever again but I hate the way people are deliberately misled by others who are in a privileged position and who should be telling the truth and representing the truth, see specific thread).

I too wish for Peace but you won't get while there is a hidden but virulent cancer in our midst in the shape of the BBC.

[Kelt]

Well, I'd say the MAIN cancer in British society is a government that LIES to the public in order to stage a war that the British people are generally against. The largest demonstrations in British history are testimony to the resistance to Blair's American Arselicking Adventure.

Blair brought the bombs to London by staging his illegal war.

If you want to whine about why Britons are dying, whine about the grinning twat who led us into this conflict.

Personally I'd hope the Muslims give us a SERIOUS kick in the stones for what we've done to them.

[Fox Shagger]

Well, I'd say the MAIN cancer in British society is a government that LIES to the public in order to stage a war that the British people are generally against.  The largest demonstrations in British history are testimony to the resistance to Blair's American Arselicking Adventure.

Blair brought the bombs to London by staging his illegal war.

If you want to whine about why Britons are dying, whine about the grinning twat who led us into this conflict.

Personally I'd hope the Muslims give us a SERIOUS kick in the stones for what we've done to them.

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Yeah I think so too. I also think Bush brought down the towers.

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[Thracian]

Well, I'd say the MAIN cancer in British society is a government that LIES to the public in order to stage a war that the British people are generally against.  The largest demonstrations in British history are testimony to the resistance to Blair's American Arselicking Adventure.

Blair brought the bombs to London by staging his illegal war.

If you want to whine about why Britons are dying, whine about the grinning twat who led us into this conflict.

Personally I'd hope the Muslims give us a SERIOUS kick in the stones for what we've done to them.

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I already have done. It is recorded within this forum several times. I didn't help to put him there. I have already said the War is probably illegal. And, while you obviously welcome it, I don't see how more killings of innocent people helps at all.

[lush]

but I would remind you and, particularly all the young people on this forum that it is your country and if you don't fight for it (verbally and vigourously), then you will soon not have a country as you know it to fight for.

Its a mainstrem political problem now

Did I not say that the BBC offered a forum for the Muslims after the London bombings? Well the Daily Express have followed up a few days late.

I heard something on talksport last night vaguely saying how many complaints the BBC`s Question time programme got, that it was a one sided debate intent on praising muslims, yet i fail to see a link to that very same Programme, hmm.

The people of this country are having the piss taken out of them and by the very people who they believe represent a fair and unbiased opinion and who, as their nation's broadcasting service should be determined to protect and defend our way of life... because they are the BBC...The BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation.

Furthermore, not only do they take the piss but they make YOU pay for it.

The BBC have always been a political puppet for the political party who is government.

The sooner we eradicate the BBC, the BETTER!!

I don't care for those who would bring it down and I don't care for the political activists of the BBC  who, of course, did so much to ensure that  this Godforsaken Government got re-elected (by the Scots and the Welsh).

The conservatives won more votes in England, than Labour.

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[lush]

Well, I'd say the MAIN cancer in British society is a government that LIES to the public in order to stage a war that the British people are generally against.  The largest demonstrations in British history are testimony to the resistance to Blair's American Arselicking Adventure.

Blair brought the bombs to London by staging his illegal war.

If you want to whine about why Britons are dying, whine about the grinning twat who led us into this conflict.

Personally I'd hope the Muslims give us a SERIOUS kick in the stones for what we've done to them.

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I agree, the government are war hungry. How do we stop them, when millions march against them, and there still in power?

I`d have to disagree with your last point. I dont wana be a victim of these far right islamic extremists.

[lush]

Intelligence chiefs warn Blair of home-grown 'insurgency'

By Raymond Whitaker and Francis Elliott

Published: 07 August 2005

Intelligence chiefs are warning Tony Blair that Britain faces a full-blown Islamist insurgency, sustained by thousands of young Muslim men with military training now resident in this country.

The grim possibility that the two London attacks were not simply a sporadic terror campaign is being discussed at the highest levels in Whitehall. Fears of a third strike remain high this weekend, based on concrete evidence supplied by an intercepted text message and the interrogation of a terror suspect being held outside Britain, say US reports.

[lush]

Islamic radicals warn of city riots

Mark Townsend

Sunday August 7, 2005

A radical Islamic group declared yesterday it would resist all attempts by Tony Blair to ban the organisation.

Officials of Hizb ut-Tahrir warned that the government's proposals would be interpreted by the Muslim community as part of an 'anti-Islamic' agenda and could trigger civil unrest .

Speakers for the Islamic political party announced they had begun seeking legal advice to fight any attempts to ban the organisation, which has existed in Britain for more than 50 years. The announcement coincided with fresh warnings that Britain's deteriorating race relations could lead to a repeat of the inner-city riots in the Eighties .

'The move is a perilous route that is harming community relations and could lead to civil unrest comparable to that which affected the black community,' said Imran Waheed, spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir. He also rejected calls for the Muslim community to root out extremism and dismissed claims that the organisation was harbouring terrorists as 'ludicrous'.

However, experts believe that Hizb ut-Tahrir's extreme views may have helped to radicalise young British Muslims. The National Union of Students banned Hizb ut-Tahrir from campuses in 1995 after its speeches, leafleting and methods in a number of universities caused worry and distress. Leaflets called for Muslims to 'exterminate' the Jewish authorities in Israel.

The group, however, says it does not advocate or condone violence. Instead it aims to restore the caliphate, the all-encompassing Muslim state which existed in the first years of Islam, and to spread its power around the world.

Until recently, the government tolerated Hizb ut-Tahrir. Home Office documents released to the group two months ago under the Freedom of Information Act advised that all media inquiries about the organisation should be used to promote Britain's tolerance to dissenting voices.

The group claimed it had received no explanation from the government on why it was now facing a ban.

However, many of its thousands of members are understood to have taken the view that the government was keen to eradicate critical voices concerning its foreign policy, particularly over the war in Iraq.

Waheed said: 'God help us if the level of frustration grows among the Muslim community and there is no-one there like us to challenge it . He (Tony Blair) has made statements that many in the Muslim community have interpreted as anti-Islamic. He could have gone on the record and made clear his position, but to my knowledge he hasn't.'

A later statement from the group described the moves as a blow against British democracy. 'Placing a ban on a political party with a 50-year history of non-violence will lead many to question the talk of freedom of speech, tolerance, people power, human rights and democracy .'

From a liberal point of view (The observer newspaper), the highlighted parts show a serious problem this is.

[Thracian]

Islamic radicals warn of city riots

Mark Townsend

Sunday August 7, 2005

A radical Islamic group declared yesterday it would resist all attempts by Tony Blair to ban the organisation.

Officials of Hizb ut-Tahrir warned that the government's proposals would be interpreted by the Muslim community as part of an 'anti-Islamic' agenda and could trigger civil unrest .

Speakers for the Islamic political party announced they had begun seeking legal advice to fight any attempts to ban the organisation, which has existed in Britain for more than 50 years. The announcement coincided with fresh warnings that Britain's deteriorating race relations could lead to a repeat of the inner-city riots in the Eighties .

'The move is a perilous route that is harming community relations and could lead to civil unrest comparable to that which affected the black community,' said Imran Waheed, spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir. He also rejected calls for the Muslim community to root out extremism and dismissed claims that the organisation was harbouring terrorists as 'ludicrous'.

However, experts believe that Hizb ut-Tahrir's extreme views may have helped to radicalise young British Muslims. The National Union of Students banned Hizb ut-Tahrir from campuses in 1995 after its speeches, leafleting and methods in a number of universities caused worry and distress. Leaflets called for Muslims to 'exterminate' the Jewish authorities in Israel.

The group, however, says it does not advocate or condone violence. Instead it aims to restore the caliphate, the all-encompassing Muslim state which existed in the first years of Islam, and to spread its power around the world.

Until recently, the government tolerated Hizb ut-Tahrir. Home Office documents released to the group two months ago under the Freedom of Information Act advised that all media inquiries about the organisation should be used to promote Britain's tolerance to dissenting voices.

The group claimed it had received no explanation from the government on why it was now facing a ban.

However, many of its thousands of members are understood to have taken the view that the government was keen to eradicate critical voices concerning its foreign policy, particularly over the war in Iraq.

Waheed said: 'God help us if the level of frustration grows among the Muslim community and there is no-one there like us to challenge it . He (Tony Blair) has made statements that many in the Muslim community have interpreted as anti-Islamic. He could have gone on the record and made clear his position, but to my knowledge he hasn't.'

A later statement from the group described the moves as a blow against British democracy. 'Placing a ban on a political party with a 50-year history of non-violence will lead many to question the talk of freedom of speech, tolerance, people power, human rights and democracy .'

From a liberal point of view (The observer newspaper), the highlighted parts show a serious problem this is.

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Today's Daily Mail highlights further fundamentalist declarations of the intention to ensure that Islam dominates the world. These are not opinions they are direct, unambiguous quotes. Blair should act and he should act now.

[breadandcheese]

Today's Daily Mail highlights further fundamentalist declarations of the intention to ensure that Islam dominates the world. These are not opinions they are direct, unambiguous quotes. Blair should act and he should act now.

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Too right, but part of the problem is that this government has consistently presented the problem to the public poorly. If people understood the difference between Islam and Islamism (including muslims themselves who all too often are unable to differentiate between this) then this war on terror would become much clearer and more justified in the eyes of a lot of people.

Islam = a religion practiced by a billion odd people

Islamism = a facist political-religious ideology based on the belief of the divinity of the Muslim people and the belief in creating a muslim empire living under sharia law.

Most of the victims of Islamism have so far been muslims and we should be ensuring that Islamist states are not imposed on peoples in the middle east or elsewhere. For example, ask the people in Iran (I remember working with an Iranian who fled the country. He told me how students there protest for freedoms, but are brutally repressed). Ask the Egyptians in Sharm El Sheikh.

Running away and hiding from these islamist groups will only sadly embolden them. Just ask America (Bush when he was elected was originally very isolationist. He wanted America to retreat from its dominant foreign policy and become less involved with regional disputes e.g. Middle East. Whilst embarking on this policy, the trade towers were attacked).

[Thracian]

Too right, but part of the problem is that this government has consistently presented the problem to the public poorly.  If people understood the difference between Islam and Islamism (including muslims themselves who all too often are unable to differentiate between this) then this war on terror would become much clearer and more justified in the eyes of a lot of people.

Islam = a religion practiced by a billion odd people

Islamism = a facist political-religious ideology based on the belief of the divinity of the Muslim people and the belief in creating a muslim empire living under sharia law.

Most of the victims of Islamism have so far been muslims and we should be ensuring that Islamist states are not imposed on peoples in the middle east or elsewhere.  For example, ask the people in Iran (I remember working with an Iranian who fled the country.  He told me how students there protest for freedoms, but are brutally repressed). Ask the Egyptians in Sharm El Sheikh.

Running away and hiding from these islamist groups will only sadly embolden them.  Just ask America (Bush when he was elected was originally very isolationist.  He wanted America to retreat from its dominant foreign policy and become less involved with regional disputes e.g. Middle East.  Whilst embarking on this policy, the trade towers were attacked).

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I too know an Iranian, lives near London Road, who says exactly the same. Many thanks for such an enlightening post.

[Hullfox]

I too wish for Peace but you won't get while there is a hidden but virulent cancer in our midst in the shape of the BBC.

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Hidden = Out of sight

Virulent = Severe, harmful

Cancer = A serious disease

The BBC is none of these. A broadcast never killed anyone.

Top = The thing you have gone over in your never ending ranting.

[lush]

Hidden = Out of sight

Virulent = Severe, harmful

Cancer = A serious disease

The BBC is none of these. A broadcast never killed anyone.

Top = The thing you have gone over in your never ending ranting.

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If only out of sight.

Definately harmfull, harmfull to decent members of the public.

The BBC have cancer of the brain

The BBC have been the cause of serious boredom, so much so that people have become isolationists and deprssive suicides are reported on a daily basis

Dont you call Thracian`s comments ranting, do you know the medical effects of banana beer

[Hullfox]

Dont you call Thracian`s comments ranting, do you know the medical effects of banana beer

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In which case my comment is withdrawn

[Rincewind]

On my recent trip to London I walked by the Houses of Parliment. Opposite there were placards/popsters with words such as ' Stop[ killing our children', Bush, Blair leave Iraq alone, our children are dying because of your bombs, etc.

I was reminded of the old saying, One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.'

Let's reflect on that for a few moments before we start a hate war against others different to ourselves.

[lush]

On my recent trip to London I walked by the Houses of Parliment. Opposite there were placards/popsters with words such as ' Stop[ killing our children', Bush, Blair leave Iraq alone, our children are dying because of your bombs, etc.

I was reminded of the old saying, One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.'

Let's reflect on that for a few moments before we start a hate war against others different to ourselves.

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That post would make sense had we voted for war.

[lush]

Islamic cleric says Ireland is a 'legitimate target'

By Mick McCaffrey

17 August 2005

A notorious British-based Islamic extremist has said Ireland is a "legitimate" target for al-Qa'ida terror attacks.

Anjem Choudary, who has close links to the infamous hate preacher, Omar Bakri Mohammed, said the use of Shannon Airport as a stop-off for US warplanes justifies Ireland being attacked.

The solicitor (38) said: "If your government wants to support the atrocities in Afghanistan they can expect some repercussions," and added that Ireland had "opened itself" to attacks from radical Muslims linked to al-Qa'ida.

Choudary even said that terrorists have the right to kill indiscriminately since American bombers did not pick and choose military targets in Iraq.

CONDEMNING

He said he was "not in the business" of condemning terrorist attacks in Britain and Ireland and added: "What you need to do is you need to be responsible and you need to look after your national security.

"If people slipped into Ireland from Iraq, Afghanistan or elsewhere, where the Irish are standing side by side with the butcher of Baghdad, George Bush, then they would have a legitimacy for that type of thing.

"That's not my personal opinion but your asking me what it says in the Koran."

Choudary believes that Ireland has risked being targeted by opening up Shannon to planes transporting US troops to Iraq.

"Obviously if Ireland is allowing their land to be used for planes to fly and to bomb Muslims, then those Muslims will obviously have a right to retaliate, it goes without saying."

He also criticises Irish Muslims, saying they've been "stripped of their Islamic personality through secular education. On the one hand they're not willing to speak up and on the other hand they're intimidated into being docile."

Choudary joined Omar Bakri Mohammed's al-Muhajiroun extremists in the late 1990s and became the cleric's spokesperson and advisor. He hailed the September 11 attacks as a "towering day in history" and hailed the hijackers as "magnificent martyrs".

Among the targets that the extremist believes are legitimate include hospitals, women and children.

"So this is the nature of war, people don't make love in war do they? They'll kill each other. If you fire a nuclear weapon they will fire a nuclear weapon back."

When are these obvious preachers of anti-british/chritian/western/sikh/hindu/jew hate, going to be punished?

When are YOU going to defend yourself? When its a little too late? When you or a family/friend becomes a victim? When, what will it take?

[lush]

London bomber: Text in full

The full text of the videotape of Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the four 7 July bombers, which was aired on Arabic television channel al-Jazeera and in which he explains his motives.

"I'm going to keep this short and to the point because it's all been said before by far more eloquent people than me.

And our words have no impact upon you, therefore I'm going to talk to you in a language that you understand.

Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood.

I'm sure by now the media's painted a suitable picture of me, this predictable propaganda machine will naturally try to put a spin on things to suit the government and to scare the masses into conforming to their power and wealth-obsessed agendas.

I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe.

Our driving motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer.

Our religion is Islam - obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Muhammad... This is how our ethical stances are dictated.

Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.

And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.

Until we feel security, you will be our targets. And until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight.

We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

A second part of the tape was less clear, but he could be heard saying:

I myself, I myself, I make dua (pray) to Allah... to raise me amongst those whom I love like the prophets, the messengers, the martyrs and today's heroes like our beloved Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, Dr Ayman al-Zawahri and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and all the other brothers and sisters that are fighting in the... of this cause.

With this I leave you to make up your own minds and I ask you to make dua to Allah almighty to accept the work from me and my brothers and enter us into gardens of paradise.

London bomber video aired on TV

A truly sickening individual yorkshireman. Thankfully, most yorkshiremen are not like this muslim, and the sooner his mates are captured and put down, the better and safer i`ll feel.

[cisono]

I wonder if this thread will disappear?!?!

[MC Prussian]

It better should.

I have yet to see a non-religious-related thread started by lush.

Utter crOp.

[Rincewind]

His girlfriend said he was led astray by extremists. And The Koran main purpose is peace. By the same token if all young Muslims see on this forum is that all Muslims are terrorists and the Koran preaches haie they may come to believe it. What better way to disuade them than say to them what you have been told is wrong here are passages from the Koran that preaches peace.

Lush says he does not post the peaceful extracts because they do not harm him. What better reason to search them out and prove to the misguided that the extremists are wrong? That the koran does NOT encourage violence. That the passages put about by the right wing and the Muslim extremists are misquotes. That is unless Lush wants an all out racial war in this country.

[Thracian]

Well, I'd say the MAIN cancer in British society is a government that LIES to the public in order to stage a war that the British people are generally against. The largest demonstrations in British history are testimony to the resistance to Blair's American Arselicking Adventure.

Blair brought the bombs to London by staging his illegal war.

If you want to whine about why Britons are dying, whine about the grinning twat who led us into this conflict.

Personally I'd hope the Muslims give us a SERIOUS kick in the stones for what we've done to them.

I already have done and have suggested his decision to go to war would quite probably be deemed illegal were it ever tested in a court of law.