Spring Budget 2014

[Guest MattP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26658742

 

Silly advert, and so blatant.

 

Shows what a good budget it was though when the main attack from the opposition is a poster connected to it.

 

Where is Ed Balls?

 

I've never seen a man who had so much time on television two years ago completely vanish from public life.

[davieG]

Most budgets are about moving/taking/giving money from one pot to another where people will be marginally better/worse off. The nearer you get to an election the bigger the % that will be marginally better off.

[Chilwell_Fox]

Im better off by £150.

 

I reckon the Tories may be in with a shout next May all of a sudden

[Guest MattP]

Im better off by £150.

 

I reckon the Tories may be in with a shout next May all of a sudden

 

Starting to think the same.

 

As I wrote the Balls thing he actually turned up! He didn't oppose a single thing in the budget yesterday and has confirmed Labour will now vote in favour of the welfare cap.

 

Ed's running scared.

[Chilwell_Fox]

Starting to think the same.

 

As I wrote the Balls thing he actually turned up! He didn't oppose a single thing in the budget yesterday and has confirmed Labour will now vote in favour of the welfare cap.

 

Ed's running scared.

 

If economy and unemployment figures continue like this I think that a lot of people will come to that conclusion.

 

Polls have confirmed that the public believe the economy to be in better hands under Cameron/Osborne rather than Milliband/Balls

[Guest MattP]

If economy and unemployment figures continue like this I think that a lot of people will come to that conclusion.

 

Polls have confirmed that the public believe the economy to be in better hands under Cameron/Osborne rather than Milliband/Balls

 

Yep and hopefully the economy will be the big issue when it comes to May 2015, you would think Labour can't surely get a majority if it is.

 

This also look like it's going to be the first election in my lifetime where the majority of the Murdoch press back the party that isn't leading in the overall polls, even The Sun know they can't be seen to have backed the winner if Ed and Ed get control over the nations credit card again with what will happen.

[Zingari]

What's with all this economic recovery and boom shite ?

Didn't Gordon Brown supposedly steer  the UK  through the longest ever period of economic growth a few years ago ? Surely things can still go wrong within a very short period if the circumstances change . i can't believe Osbourne's tinkering is the only factor.

[Guest MattP]

You are confusing economic growth with borrowing.

 

Brown kept squeezing the productive sector of society, Gideon is doing the opposite.

[Zingari]

You are confusing economic growth with borrowing.

 

Brown kept squeezing the productive sector of society, Gideon is doing the opposite.

i find all this stuff a bit confusing , are we borrowing less now than the last labour government p.a.,  and is economic growth higher than under Brown ?

[MooseBreath]

i find all this stuff a bit confusing , are we borrowing less now than the last labour government p.a., and is economic growth higher than under Brown ?

No and no. Very different circumstances though

[Guest MattP]

i find all this stuff a bit confusing , are we borrowing less now than the last labour government p.a.,  and is economic growth higher than under Brown ?

 

No, we are certainly still borrowing too much and in my opinion not paying the deficit quick enough but at least we are now going in the right direction in creating wealth.

 

If someone wants to really slash the debt we have they will have to massacre the NHS budget, virtually stop welfare and reduce our other public services to skeleton staff.

 

Who is going to do that? They would be out of office within weeks.

[Zingari]

No and no. Very different circumstances though

so basically it's the circumstances that have the bigger effect , not the tinkering at no. 11 ?

[l444ry]

At last it was now our turn to enjoy the countries growing wealth again!!!
All you have to do to enjoy this beautiful windfall is to go out and play bingo every night while drinking 380 pints of beer so you can enjoy having one free beer on the Tories!!

[Strokes]

At last it was now our turn to enjoy the countries growing wealth again!!!

All you have to do to enjoy this beautiful windfall is to go out and play bingo every night while drinking 380 pints of beer so you can enjoy having one free beer on the Tories!!

Im making a dent into that right now, thanks georgey boy.

[l444ry]

Im making a dent into that right now, thanks georgey boy.

 

Nice one Strokes. But please don't choke on it when l remind you that Gideon put beer up 5p in the previous Budget.

[Guest MattP]

We all remember how the price of beer just couldn't stop declining under Brown.

[MooseBreath]

so basically it's the circumstances that have the bigger effect , not the tinkering at no. 11 ?

Depends how you define circumstances and tinkering. The government's overall economic policy will shape the circumstances of the future. Labour's 'tinkering' was to borrow relentlessly and the circumstances that created was of unsustainable debt that needs to be cut. The tories are still having to borrow so as not to make changes too suddenly, but ultimately the circumstances they create will be one of no net borrowing while evidently still achieving excellent growth.

[Strokes]

Nice one Strokes. But please don't choke on it when l remind you that Gideon put beer up 5p in the previous Budget.

Hehe i think you should stick to the bitter

[Zingari]

Depends how you define circumstances and tinkering. The government's overall economic policy will shape the circumstances of the future. Labour's 'tinkering' was to borrow relentlessly and the circumstances that created was of unsustainable debt that needs to be cut. The tories are still having to borrow so as not to make changes too suddenly, but ultimately the circumstances they create will be one of no net borrowing while evidently still achieving excellent growth.

So you can't envisage a scenario or think  of any circumstances beyond the control of the chancellor of the day that can completely wipe out all the supposed improvements in the state of the nations finances.?

Do you think we are now bullet proof because of the tory financial policies.? 

 

i don't , i think they just use the hard times to screw the worse off in society more and tell everyone that this is in fact the cure. It's nothing of the sort , it's just a nasty tasting placebo that nursey feeds us while knowing that the economy will boom and bust regardless.

Of course we have to believe the medicine won't work unless it tastes nasty     

[MooseBreath]

Like I said, depends on your definitions. You're using terms like "tinkering" that could really mean anything. Obviously many things influence the economy.

As for your 2nd paragraph, what part of the budget has "screwed over the worst off" again?

[Zingari]

Like I said, depends on your definitions. You're using terms like "tinkering" that could really mean anything. Obviously many things influence the economy.

As for your 2nd paragraph, what part of the budget has "screwed over the worst off" again?

Sorry moose , i didn't make myself clear about that 

I was talking about the government policies in general seem to be focused on making the least well off suffer ,

So this  creates an imagery  in our minds that these measures are the cure , when in fact i believe them to be no more than nasty tasting medicine placebos .

We all tend to believe in "no pain no gain" so this panders to it 

 

If you believe they are in fact  the cures,  then fine , but i don't   

[l444ry]

Sorry moose , i didn't make myself clear about that 

I was talking about the government policies in general seem to be focused on making the least well off suffer ,

So this  creates an imagery  in our minds that these measures are the cure , when in fact i believe them to be no more than nasty tasting medicine placebos .

We all tend to believe in "no pain no gain" so this panders to it 

 

If you believe they are in fact  the cures,  then fine , but i don't   

It is as if the Tory party have decided that the minority of people that are intelligent or educated enough to spot the flaws in their simplistic narratives are so few and far between, that they can invent all kinds of absurd stories to justify their policies. They have made the assumption that the majority of British people are simply too uneducated or too intellectually lazy to ever bother to question their flawed fundamental assertions.

 

Another Angry Voice.

[ADK]

Hopefully a more united left leads to them being removed at the next election.

[MooseBreath]

Sorry moose , i didn't make myself clear about that

I was talking about the government policies in general seem to be focused on making the least well off suffer ,

So this creates an imagery in our minds that these measures are the cure , when in fact i believe them to be no more than nasty tasting medicine placebos .

We all tend to believe in "no pain no gain" so this panders to it

If you believe they are in fact the cures, then fine , but i don't

This would sound a lot less whacky if you could could provide some examples. I can help you out with one - labour's welfare state. Pitched as if it's based on altruism, it's actually intended as a vote buying machine that traps people into dependency.

Do you have any more?

[MooseBreath]

It is as if the Tory party have decided that the minority of people that are intelligent or educated enough to spot the flaws in their simplistic narratives are so few and far between, that they can invent all kinds of absurd stories to justify their policies. They have made the assumption that the majority of British people are simply too uneducated or too intellectually lazy to ever bother to question their flawed fundamental assertions.

Another Angry Voice.

Yet more purely superficial criticism from l4rrie. I won't waste my time asking for a bit more depth to your views because you've never been able to provide it before.