Chandler's Transfer Targets

[Ric Flair]

Chandler, me old china. I read your posts with great interest and even though I totally disagree with alot of the stuff you say i'm keen to hear your views on a few things you fail to metion.

Firstly you talk about the 'mediocre jocks' that Levein has signed, which is incorrect as he's only signed one Scottish player and he looks our best player. The rest have been Irish, English, Dutch and Canadian. Anyway what i'd like to know is who would you like to see Leicester buy with the current finances we have got? What type of players should we be looking at? Were you impressed with the more 'mature' player such as Keown, Gemmill, Pressman and Dublin?

You rant on about how us boneheads have got rid of the 'saviour' Micky Adams, but were you truely happy with what Adams was doing at this club? Did you enjoy his signings this season? Did you enjoy his refusal to admit he was at fault?

Please, please, please can you give me a detailed list of the players you think we should sign and tell us exactly what Levein is doing wrong, that Micky was doing right? And don't get smart and say winning games because Adams ballsed that up all of last season.

Looking forward to hearing from you within the near future. I will be extremely upset if you turn your nose up at this and don't respond, i'm game to read and respond to your posts so please do so in return dude.

Hoof

[SilverFox]

I believe he wanted to install Walshe as Manager. Whilst Walshe is a great bloke, Leicester Legend, and seasoned Golf resort expert...he probably isn't managerial material.

[C-man]

What a quality team we would have if Chandler was the manager:

--------Pressman

Makin Dublin Keown Tiatto

Morris Gemmil Nalis Wilcox

-----Blake Scowcroft

[Steven]

What a quality team we would have if Chandler was the manager:

--------Pressman

Makin Dublin Keown Tiatto

Morris Gemmil Nalis Wilcox

-----Blake Scowcroft

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Quality side.

[step]

I am afraid you are wasting your time. Chandler will not be drawn into any discussion that he could loss; He will make a point which is usually based on some delusion and which he can not back with facts or reasoned discussion. Equally he will never respond to message that expresses an opinion or fact that disproves his twisted truth and when his point is totally lost he will resort to rhetoric and childish name calling.

Go on Chandler prove me wrong

[kenny]

I am afraid you are wasting your time.  Chandler will not be drawn into any discussion that he could loss; He will make a point which is usually based on some delusion and which he can not back with facts or reasoned discussion.  Equally he will never respond to message that expresses an opinion or fact that disproves his twisted truth and when his point is totally lost he will resort to rhetoric and childish name calling.

Go on Chandler prove me wrong

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Took the words out of my mouth, he only replies when he can pick holes in someones arguements. If you prove him wrong he ignores your post.

[Molson Canadian]

Bring Em Out ! Bring Em Out !

[Chandler]

Chandler, me old china. I read your posts with great interest and even though I totally disagree with alot of the stuff you say i'm keen to hear your views on a few things you fail to metion.

Firstly you talk about the 'mediocre jocks' that Levein has signed, which is incorrect as he's only signed one Scottish player and he looks our best player. The rest have been Irish, English, Dutch and Canadian. Anyway what i'd like to know is who would you like to see Leicester buy with the current finances we have got? What type of players should we be looking at? Were you impressed with the more 'mature' player such as Keown, Gemmill, Pressman and Dublin?

You rant on about how us boneheads have got rid of the 'saviour' Micky Adams, but were you truely happy with what Adams was doing at this club? Did you enjoy his signings this season? Did you enjoy his refusal to admit he was at fault?

Please, please, please can you give me a detailed list of the players you think we should sign and tell us exactly what Levein is doing wrong, that Micky was doing right? And don't get smart and say winning games because Adams ballsed that up all of last season.

Looking forward to hearing from you within the near future. I will be extremely upset if you turn your nose up at this and don't respond, i'm game to read and respond to your posts so please do so in return dude.

Hoof

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You're an honourable opponent Hoof so I accept your challenge.

1) I use the term 'Jocks' loosely - a general way to refer to SPL rejects.

2) It's not so much who we should be signing it's more about who we should not be signing. Bringing in minor league fodder (e.g. SPL) in bulk is not the answer.

3) Signings are not just about money. In fact it's more about connections, knowledge and nous. As I see it, whilst there is some need for re-enforcement (particularly up front) I don't see signings as the major issue right now. We certainly have at least a good a squad as Wigan and Reading and certainly better than Preston. No need to tell you where they are.

4) Of the seniors that you mention the only one that I had serious reservations about was Gemmil. If Adams had been offered Taylor he would have taken him as cover for Walker instead of Pressman. Dublin did indeed get off to a slow start and has looked sharper of late in a defensive capacity. Keown, great vet that he is, was a trouble maker and, unfortunately, Micky's nemesis (he only came to LCFC to get Micky's job).

5) On the whole I was happy with Adams but not because the sun shone out of his arse. The reason I wanted him to stay was because (1) He was turning things around (11points from last 6 games) and (2) I knew there was a 90% chance his successor would **** up - no matter who came in. And that is what Levein has done so far.

Don't give me the crap about Levein needing to bring in his own players. The more he brings in the worse the results get. Micky got us promotion with virtually no signings of his own.

6) Micky owned up to his faults. He said that he had lost his sparkle- which was a very big thing for him to have said. Things weren't nearly as bad as he thought they were - particularly when you compare the situation then to what it is now. And he didn't have the luck. Four sendings off in 12 games, whereas now we get penalties as if they were going out of fashion. The problem was fans' expectations. Relegation, La Manga, promotion favourites, slow start...

7) I could point you in a few directions of where to look (Like the Prem or Europe) but to be quite honest that would be throwing good money after bad with Levein in charge. He couldn't manage Brazil out of this division.

8) The problem is under performance. An interesting way to assess under/out performance is to look at goal difference relative to table position. A team enjoying a high league position with a low positive or even negative goal difference might be considered as outperformers. The reverse could also be considered true. It certainly applies in our case.

9) Micky's main strength was that he could get the team, through sheer force of personality, to grind out results in the promo season particularly on the road. Second half performances were usually good, especially at home. Levein just doesn't have it in the motivation department. You can talk as much tactical bullshit as you like but if you can't connect with your players you are wasting your breath.

10) It is possible that the team may bond and gel next year without any real input from Levein (like the Little years). After all, we are big fish in a rather small pond. But it would be more reassuring if we had a REAL leader and not a cardboard cut out wouldn't it?

PS Just noticed your crafty edit function that turns levein into Levein. Soon, no doubt, this will extend to 'fickle boneheads' before moving on to all opinions that could be considred damaging to LCFC management and support. This is what they called 'Newspeak' in '1984.'

PPS A final thought. Micky Adams generously referred to LCFC as being the 'Man U of the Championship.' If Man U finished in the bottom half of the Prem do you think the fans would be 'touchy feely' about Sir Alex? Get my drift?

Over to you Hoof...

[Sparky]

if adams was offered taylor he would have brought him here instead of pressman ! what sort of comment is that chandler ? i see its crystal ball time again . a manager dont have to be offered players to sign them , he can go off his own back and look for talent . thats what levein did with taylor he wasnt just offered him

[Guest]

You can't judge a man on one season, especially when that season finished almost two years ago.

[Stuliasz]

Despite the facts showing that over the course of this season Adams has a better record, as a Leicester fan who goes to every home game and some away games I have to say that the football I am watching is much more enjoyable and entertaining. I was sitting bored through games under Adams earlier this season, this is no longer the case for me. I don't know if anyone else feels this way...

[Ric Flair]

Chandler, me old china. I read your posts with great interest and even though I totally disagree with alot of the stuff you say i'm keen to hear your views on a few things you fail to metion.

Firstly you talk about the 'mediocre jocks' that Levein has signed, which is incorrect as he's only signed one Scottish player and he looks our best player. The rest have been Irish, English, Dutch and Canadian. Anyway what i'd like to know is who would you like to see Leicester buy with the current finances we have got? What type of players should we be looking at? Were you impressed with the more 'mature' player such as Keown, Gemmill, Pressman and Dublin?

You rant on about how us boneheads have got rid of the 'saviour' Micky Adams, but were you truely happy with what Adams was doing at this club? Did you enjoy his signings this season? Did you enjoy his refusal to admit he was at fault?

Please, please, please can you give me a detailed list of the players you think we should sign and tell us exactly what Levein is doing wrong, that Micky was doing right? And don't get smart and say winning games because Adams ballsed that up all of last season.

Looking forward to hearing from you within the near future. I will be extremely upset if you turn your nose up at this and don't respond, i'm game to read and respond to your posts so please do so in return dude.

Hoof

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You're an honourable opponent Hoof so I accept your challenge.

1) I use the term 'Jocks' loosely - a general way to refer to SPL rejects.

2) It's not so much who we should be signing it's more about who we should not be signing. Bringing in minor league fodder (e.g. SPL) in bulk is not the answer.

3) Signings are not just about money. In fact it's more about connections, knowledge and nous. As I see it, whilst there is some need for re-enforcement (particularly up front) I don't see signings as the major issue right now. We certainly have at least a good a squad as Wigan and Reading and certainly better than Preston. No need to tell you where they are.

4) Of the seniors that you mention the only one that I had serious reservations about was Gemmil. If Adams had been offered Taylor he would have taken him as cover for Walker instead of Pressman. Dublin did indeed get off to a slow start and has looked sharper of late in a defensive capacity. Keown, great vet that he is, was a trouble maker and, unfortunately, Micky's nemesis (he only came to LCFC to get Micky's job).

5) On the whole I was happy with Adams but not because the sun shone out of his arse. The reason I wanted him to stay was because (1) He was turning things around (11points from last 6 games) and (2) I knew there was a 90% chance his successor would **** up - no matter who came in. And that is what Levein has done so far.

Don't give me the crap about Levein needing to bring in his own players. The more he brings in the worse the results get. Micky got us promotion with virtually no signings of his own.

6) Micky owned up to his faults. He said that he had lost his sparkle- which was a very big thing for him to have said. Things weren't nearly as bad as he thought they were - particularly when you compare the situation then to what it is now. And he didn't have the luck. Four sendings off in 12 games, whereas now we get penalties as if they were going out of fashion. The problem was fans' expectations. Relegation, La Manga, promotion favourites, slow start...

7) I could point you in a few directions of where to look (Like the Prem or Europe) but to be quite honest that would be throwing good money after bad with Levein in charge. He couldn't manage Brazil out of this division.

8) The problem is under performance. An interesting way to assess under/out performance is to look at goal difference relative to table position. A team enjoying a high league position with a low positive or even negative goal difference might be considered as outperformers. The reverse could also be considered true. It certainly applies in our case.

9) Micky's main strength was that he could get the team, through sheer force of personality, to grind out results in the promo season particularly on the road. Second half performances were usually good, especially at home. Levein just doesn't have it in the motivation department. You can talk as much tactical bullshit as you like but if you can't connect with your players you are wasting your breath.

10) It is possible that the team may bond and gel next year without any real input from Levein (like the Little years). After all, we are big fish in a rather small pond. But it would be more reassuring if we had a REAL leader and not a cardboard cut out wouldn't it?

PS Just noticed your crafty edit function that turns levein into Levein. Soon, no doubt, this will extend to 'fickle boneheads' before moving on to all opinions that could be considred damaging to LCFC management and support. This is what they called 'Newspeak' in '1984.'

PPS A final thought. Micky Adams generously referred to LCFC as being the 'Man U of the Championship.' If Man U finished in the bottom half of the Prem do you think the fans would be 'touchy feely' about Sir Alex? Get my drift?

Over to you Hoof...

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Cheers Chandler, i'm honoured.

Some nice points and well thought out but I still sense a touch of prejudice towards Levein. To be honest your views about Levein do have some substance at the minute as he's in a position that alot of managers are in when they take over from a club that has been ran badly for years and it's finally caught up with them.

Levein can only back himself up by being honest and outline his plans for Leicester. You instantly took a dislike to Levein and his credentials, yet I think his record in Scotland is extremely good. Before you say that anyone could get a team in to 3rd in the league in the SPL, well how about a similar thing in anyone could get a Leicester team promoted with players like Izzet, Walker, Taggart, Elliott, Dickov, Deane, Sinclair and a few other players who were galvanized through administration and a determination to get their deferred wages through promotion and a tidy bonus. Obviously that's all hypothetical and results are what matter, people can say all they like about how it's achieved but at the end of the day promotions and league positions are what count. Not the scenario's that cause these facts.

Levein also did remarkably well at Cowdenbeath aswell given all the problems he went through there. Infact it seems both Adams and Levein thrive on taking teams upwards through constant problems, Adams did it at City and Brighton. Levein did it at Cowdenbeath and Hearts who had major problems and alot of board unrest. I think the old cliche that Scottish football is piss poor can be said about football in the lower leagues of english football, it's just full of horrible teams and horrible football. So on that note alone, I think what Levein did up north matches what Adams has done in his time as manager. The one thing that Adams has over Levein is he has taken City in to the premiership. But if your not going to give Levein a chance then how can you compare them?

Being a football manager is a complex job, alot of managers make their jobs impossible by complicating things. I think Levein is one of those managers who try to keep things simple though and i'm all for that. He actually wants to try and build something here instant of short term fixes that Adams was so eager to do. You might want a short term fix, but after seeing Leicester go through a horrible 3 or 4 years in terms of stability I think it makes sense we try to stabalise things here and build a team that can potentially play together for more than just a season, which was what was happening under Adams. That can't be good for a team, it just can't be.

I've been a football fan for 15 years, and no doubt you've been a fan for alot longer than that. The point i'm trying to make is that managers deserve a fair crack at a job to get things right, we live in a democratic world and that's the way forward, bud. Success doesn't always come straight away, it sometimes never does but what would we gain in denying Levein the chance to complete his job he's started here?

I see no signs what so ever that Levein is tactically inept to manage at this level, I think that situations that have happened before him has meant he's completely got to re-build things here and as a fan i'm over the moon that a manager has come in seen what a state this club is in and instead of patching things up and moving on he's actually trying to sort us out so that we are secure long after Craig Levein is a manager.

Are you un-impressed with Stephen Hughes? Are you un-impressed with Paddy McCarthy? Are you un-impressed with Alan Maybury? Were you un-impressed with Stuart Taylor? Are you un-impressed with Darren Kenton? All of Levein's signings who I actually think look good players. That's a high percentage rate of players who are good that Levein has signed.

Give the man a chance dude, give him another 6 months which will take him up to a year. If things are still as bad as you claim they are then fair do's i'll even accept what you are saying.

PS 4 out of the 8 players Levein has signed have come from premiership clubs. I think a team like Leicester should make use of the fact you can sign young players from premiership teams for a small fee. Sounds good to me, good policy.

Over and out.

[Dunc]

If you notice point 10 - yet again Chandler is covering his back by saying even if we go up then it will have nothing to do with Levein, just as apparently Brian Little taking us from 1 game from Relegation to the Play Off Final had nothing to do with him, his signings or his force of personality.

Who the feck did do it then? Granted Gregory did some coaching, Evans did some organising but without Little we would have failed (see both Evans & Gregory's overall records since). As someone who worked at the club during these years and whose father worked at the very highest level at the club, closely working with the manager day in day out, I can only say you are catagorically wrong in that point.

Competely and utterley wrong.

[Dunc]

Another point to make is that from looking at Chandler's posts, he never comments on individual games (ie, player ratings, incidents etc), which leads me to assume that he never actually goes to any games.

Additionally, If Chandler did indeed own 10% of the club then I know who he is.

Additionally, if he owned 10% and he is who he says, then no 'starlet' from LCFC would have tried to chat up his partner and therefore wouldn't have recieved a 'hook' that he never saw coming, as Chandler describes in a previous post.

Either way, he is exageratting somewhat on some angle and his views must be taken with a pinch of salt if indeed he doesn't go to the games as I assume (possibly for reasons that would fit with who had 10% ownership).

Chandler, its time to take the bus/coach home.

[Guest]

Another point to make is that from looking at Chandler's posts, he never comments on individual games (ie, player ratings, incidents etc), which leads me to assume that he never actually goes to any games.

Additionally, If Chandler did indeed own 10% of the club then I know who he is. 

Additionally, if he owned 10% and he is who he says, then no 'starlet' from LCFC would have tried to chat up his partner and therefore wouldn't have recieved a 'hook' that he never saw coming, as Chandler describes in a previous post.

Either way, he is exageratting somewhat on some angle and his views must be taken with a pinch of salt if indeed he doesn't go to the games as I assume (possibly for reasons that would fit with who had 10% ownership).

Chandler, its time to take the bus/coach home.

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[Chandler]

You can't judge a man on one season, especially when that season finished almost two years ago.

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er...Brighton...and er... Fulham?

[Guest]

You can't judge a man on one season, especially when that season finished almost two years ago.

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er...Brighton...and er... Fulham?

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How could I forget the Championship strugglers and the Premiership strugglers Adams left before they got there in the first place?

[Chandler]

Another point to make is that from looking at Chandler's posts, he never comments on individual games (ie, player ratings, incidents etc), which leads me to assume that he never actually goes to any games.

Additionally, If Chandler did indeed own 10% of the club then I know who he is. 

Additionally, if he owned 10% and he is who he says, then no 'starlet' from LCFC would have tried to chat up his partner and therefore wouldn't have recieved a 'hook' that he never saw coming, as Chandler describes in a previous post.

Either way, he is exageratting somewhat on some angle and his views must be taken with a pinch of salt if indeed he doesn't go to the games as I assume (possibly for reasons that would fit with who had 10% ownership).

Chandler, its time to take the bus/coach home.

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You make a lot of assumptions Dunc.

I don't give player scores after matches because the whole thing is just a con. Most sports journos admit that it is virtually impossible to accurately grade individual performances in this way without thorough post match video analysis. When idiots post their marks on here it is pretty much 'follow my leader' until it comes to the individuals they love or hate.

As for my 10% holding in the club; you are either partially dyslexic or suffer from short term memory loss. I wrote that I ONCE owned 10% of the club a VERY long time ago. Probably before you were born.

Finally, you are in serious need of a reality check re. the activities of young footballers. They'll try and get it on with any woman they can. A significant percentage of 'surprise' transfers are prompted by sexual indiscretions and many of these are with wives and partners of backroom staff and club officers (though the trend now of course is to roast 'kiss and tell tarts' in 5 star Mayfair hotels).

Remember Dunc, when you ASSUME anything you make an ASS out of U & ME.

[ForeverBlue]

Another point to make is that from looking at Chandler's posts, he never comments on individual games (ie, player ratings, incidents etc), which leads me to assume that he never actually goes to any games.

Additionally, If Chandler did indeed own 10% of the club then I know who he is. 

Additionally, if he owned 10% and he is who he says, then no 'starlet' from LCFC would have tried to chat up his partner and therefore wouldn't have recieved a 'hook' that he never saw coming, as Chandler describes in a previous post.

Either way, he is exageratting somewhat on some angle and his views must be taken with a pinch of salt if indeed he doesn't go to the games as I assume (possibly for reasons that would fit with who had 10% ownership).

Chandler, its time to take the bus/coach home.

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You make a lot of assumptions Dunc.

I don't give player scores after matches because the whole thing is just a con. Most sports journos admit that it is virtually impossible to accurately grade individual performances in this way without thorough post match video analysis. When idiots post their marks on here it is pretty much 'follow my leader' until it comes to the individuals they love or hate.

As for my 10% holding in the club; you are either partially dyslexic or suffer from short term memory loss. I wrote that I ONCE owned 10% of the club a VERY long time ago. Probably before you were born.

Finally, you are in serious need of a reality check re. the activities of young footballers. They'll try and get it on with any woman they can. A significant percentage of 'surprise' transfers are prompted by sexual indiscretions and many of these are with wives and partners of backroom staff and club officers (though the trend now of course is to roast 'kiss and tell tarts' in 5 star Mayfair hotels).

Remember Dunc, when you ASSUME anything you make an ASS out of U & ME.

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I think you do that yourself mate.

[Dunc]

"Remember Dunc, when you ASSUME anything you make an ASS out of U & ME"

yeah, you might want to live by that one yourself my friend.

As for assumption, if you had a 10% share before I was born I would safely say that any hook (seen or unseen) wouldn't hurt a professional sportsman. It would be akin to the scene in the Simpsons when Monty Burns is trying to hit the mafiosi with a baseball bat but unable to hold it due to its weight.

"i'm giving you the beating of a lifetime".

I know a few footballers, and if your partner is as old as you now indicate you are, then unless it was grab a granny night she would have been safe.

Of course if she was a Phillipino mail order teen bride, I take it all back.

[Dunc]

I don't give player scores after matches because the whole thing is just a con. Most sports journos admit that it is virtually impossible to accurately grade individual performances in this way without thorough post match video analysis. When idiots post their marks on here it is pretty much 'follow my leader' until it comes to the individuals they love or hate.

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Its not just that though Chandler, you never make reference to any incident during a game, like dodgy penalty decisions for or against us, or bad tackles. The only time you do is when the game has been televised.

Now you aren't telling me that someone as opinionated as you wouldn't take great pleasure in telling the referees responsible for such decisions, which law and sub laws they failed to enforce.

[Sparky]

by the sounds of it the words fan and armchair come to mind

[Chandler]

"Remember Dunc, when you ASSUME anything you make an ASS out of U & ME"

yeah, you might want to live by that one yourself my friend.

As for assumption, if you had a 10% share before I was born I would safely say that any hook (seen or unseen) wouldn't hurt a professional sportsman.  It would be akin to the scene in the Simpsons when Monty Burns is trying to hit the mafiosi with a baseball bat but unable to hold it due to its weight.

"i'm giving you the beating of a lifetime".

I know a few footballers, and if your partner is as old as you now indicate you are, then unless it was grab a granny night she would have been safe. 

Of course if she was a Phillipino mail order teen bride, I take it all back.

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Best non sequitur since: 'We have real democracy in Singapore - footballers can now have long hair.'

By your peculiar logic, Dunc, diminutive dynamo's like Giggs, Dickov, Gera et al could handle coffin cases like Foreman, Holmes, Cooney and the nearly late Smokin' Joe Frasier.

Dunc, have you ever met the Guys who run the doors at any club or pub you care to mention? Many of them are in their 50's or 60's. They possibly might not KO the hardest, largest football headcases.

They'd probably KILL them.

[Dunc]

So you are a hardman 60 year old that used to have a 10% stake in the club going back over 20 years, who has a partner that is far younger than he is, so much so that 20-30 year old millionaire footballers find her so attractive that they get beaten up for it?

Remind me again how this all ties together to form a single human?!

[Chandler]

I don't give player scores after matches because the whole thing is just a con. Most sports journos admit that it is virtually impossible to accurately grade individual performances in this way without thorough post match video analysis. When idiots post their marks on here it is pretty much 'follow my leader' until it comes to the individuals they love or hate.

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Its not just that though Chandler, you never make reference to any incident during a game, like dodgy penalty decisions for or against us, or bad tackles. The only time you do is when the game has been televised.

Now you aren't telling me that someone as opinionated as you wouldn't take great pleasure in telling the referees responsible for such decisions, which law and sub laws they failed to enforce.

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So if I can't resist giving my opinion Dunc, how comes I'm NEVER on a match thread before, during or shortly after games? Surely the temptation would be too much for me to resist?

Generally I don't indulge in post mortems (though not never as you suggest) because I don't get in till all hours with too little blood in my alcohol stream to make me coherent.

If you have monitored my postings as closely as you suggest you would not have made the blunder about my 10% shareholding.