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Pretty much. And look where that leaves everyone, both "stupid" and "smart", in the end. Welcome to the world where no one is invalidated, but no one is right.

Only if this body is dead and/or the man pushes forward the Artemis Program considerably, mon ami.

As seems to be everyone today, including me. Fair enough, we'll see how things pan out. I've said this a few times too, but I hope like hell that I'm wrong.

And ignoring those ideals in favour of short term self interest ends terribly for everyone in the long term, those people included. Is that really so difficult to see?

This keeps being mentioned. At much as it seems, I'm not sure it's a universal truth and if it is, that's not a good thing and I'm not sure why people think that it is.

To be honest, I think a lot of them are in there because they didn't toe the line for him so I'm not sure how many he'll pardon.

It's tricky, isn't it? NB. James Fields must be allowing himself a quiet smile in his jail cell at having his worldview at least partly vindicated at the ballot box. As much as this is true, if there's no critical analysis that leads to consensus because of these differing value systems and so fractured decision making on certain matters because of it, that doesn't end well. That is obvious. I have no reason to doubt this assessment, more's the pity.

Hopefully not, but if it is, what a sad indictment of the way things are. ... and I wonder what the logical outcome for that dysfunction, accurate as it may be, is for our species.

The Russians and Chinese must be watching all of this and pissing themselves with laughter, too.

Bringing this back to the fore, because it's important. Also just a few more observations: - whoever takes charge in 2028 will have work to do. - a few posters on here said that Biden 2020 would lead nowhere good in four years time. That was pretty spot on.

Yes. They. Them. I. Always I. It's not stupidity (not in the strictest sense) and shouldn't be labelled as such, it's self interest. Trump seems to mess with such things in a way they simply cannot project for.

Unfortunately it isn't me who is going to have the bad day - what's happened today doesn't directly affect me. Or bad few years/decades. At first, anyway. Pardon me for considering those outside of line of sight spatially and temporally. But anyway, I wish I shared some optimism about the future based on the events of today, I just don't see any presenting any that holds up to logical scrutiny. Like I've said a few times, I hope I'm wrong.

So sorry, but asking for detail and presenting little of your own does ring a little hollow. That being said, when I have time we can talk about this more on the dedicated thread and you've given me at least some insight into your position here anyway.

Yep, exactly. You'd think those matters wouldn't be political footballs, right?

When you're ready to actually advance your own stance on the matter in detail rather than critiquing mine, I'll be here.

Nah, he doesn't deny the effects its having, I think (underscore think) that he thinks it's either too late to do much or business will save us in spite of what Trump does. As I've said many times before, I hope that I and pretty much the entire climate science corps are wrong on what's to come.

If you're really looking for a serious, absolutely hard-line cited stance on the topic, then I'll post one on the dedicated climate change thread when I have the time to devote to it. Before that, however, I do have to ask what exactly the point of this line of questioning is? Please do enlighten, because I'm not sure.

Clearly. Which is very human. I wonder how those folks and everyone else will feel about it in a decade or two.

Then let him be vengeful. Better that than be complicit in what's coming. Handmaids and aunts voting for Gilead. A testament to the marketing skill of the Trump campaign, tbh.

I'd have more respect for Lammy if he actually stuck to his guns.

And I'm sure all those women affected by the repeal of Roe v Wade, and those LGBT people affected by workplace and healthcare legislation that treats them as second class, among others, think similarly.

Yes, this topic means a lot to me, but if you're looking for a Masters level dissertation, then I apologise for lacking the time or the inclination to provide it. However... There will be a switch from renewable energy infrastructure building to increased extraction and burning of fossil fuels again. These will in turn contribute to increased carbon emissions and all that entails, which will represent the same risk the IPCC has been saying for years. If you want to think Trump won't affect the climate any more negatively than Harris, then fair enough - I disagree and given your own expertise on the topic, I'd like to know your own reasoning, rather than persisting in asking for mine.

Hey, don't worry about me, I'm a white guy in a nation currently not affected much by climate change (though talk to some farmers about that). I'm not the one in the firing line, it's just unfortunate that people don't consider those that will be.

Manned spaceflight programs. Ummm... that's about it? Of course not. What he represents, however, may remain for a long time. And that is not good.

... because the Biden administration of which she was part of made numerous moves legislative and politically to address carbon emissions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Joe_Biden_administration (Pardon the wiki link, but it's all there.) So yes, I think it's a safe assumption that she would continue on that work. If that's not clear to you from her words and actions, fair enough. On the other hand, the policy decisions of Trump in his first term regarding fossil fuel extraction and burning, combined with his pledges this time round, show rather clearly he intends a policy that will not address carbon emissions and vastly contribute to ongoing global average temperature increase. That increase will have global consequences, in money and in life. If you think he "won't be that bad", then again, fair enough - I hope you're right, for the sake of a great many people and civilisation itself.