HighPeakFox

Terribly sorry for arguing my case. I'm sorry, but this is basically the kids I went to school with who had no respect for authority or rules. They want freedom when it suits them, and only them. I'm not offended by much Col, but I don't think very much of what you just said. It's just apologism for bad actors.

No Col. People will vote Reform for a variety of reasons. Some of it is anger, some of it gullibility, some of it 'patriotism', some of it xenophobia and there will be many other factors. My own personal take is that people like Farage because they, like him, want to gob off without consequences or responsibility, and don't want to be challenged on their prejudices. He sells a simplistic fantasy and it appeals to a certain demographic. Given the rise of the far right generally, and the known Russian interference in our processes which was quietly ignored by the Tories when it suited them, and is going on again now, I find it all terrifying.

One brave soul has said Reform is one of his choices. Given his religious/moral stance, the mind boggles.

Matterface, 60 million of us are NOT English, you melt.

Has anyone made a Toney/betting joke yet?

Love how it came about from a crap shot deflected in from head to head.

Football eh? Bloody hell!

Kane really is bloody awful

The irony is that killing off the old became policy under Johnson - the very voter base they should have been able to rely on.

How anyone can confidently write Starmer and Labour off after 14 years of destruction is beyond me. Sure, they might stink. But then again they might not.

There's evidence absolutely everywhere - and it's always been that way. Once someone of a certain mindset has decided they're right, it seems to become a badge of honour to double down, or maybe they are just brought up to believe that admitting a mistake is weakness.

For the record, I personally don't think it is stupidity that causes people to fall for the populist line - there are many understandable factors involved, one of which is the lack of trust and hope that was so evident in 2016. I'm just sad that many go that route. Once someone has been persuaded that way, it's almost impossible to argue them back the other way. Nobody wants to admit they've been had - I know, it hurts to do so. Been there.

Amazing, I said that with sincerity and I get the passive aggressive laughing emoji. Tellingly.

I'm glad we're of a mind on this. I hope nobody has done that to you.

I'm not really interested in engaging with someone who (admittedly eloquently) basically projects stuff onto me that I never said and just plays the victim. And there, by the way, is Farageism in a nutshell.

If sarcasm is your main argumentative weapon here, you don't have much.

Yes - I don't think in binary terms. And I have worked for people like him before. I know a lying, narcissistic sociopath when I see one.

What a response. I feel compassion for those that are fooled by him, but he is a total conman.

You're defending a faux victim quasi-fascist.

You might have seen, I removed one illegal (placard) in Chesterfield.

Just trying to reassure you a little. Ironically Reform helping Labour get in.

https://stopthetories.vote/parl/north-west-leicestershire

The point still getting missed. It isn't about your opinion, which is entirely valid - just please don't co-opt mine! I will wait and see what actually happens, rather than make my mind up before the fact.

You've made the same mistake as David did - he might be right, it's not about that. It's the appropriation of consent/assent I object to. 'We all know' how unhealthy it is to allow it.

Ooo, Leicester friends...