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The boundaries have changed. To answer your earlier question, if you want your vote to have an effect, it's wasted. If you want to vote totally honestly, then it's not.

That's what they'd have you believe...

I'm more interested in who is funding Farage Plc

I think he was saying that a percentage of people voted for Brexit due to racism, rather than because they understood what was going to happen.

I don't think so.

Tories following the 1930s propaganda rule again, I see.

Who is this 'we' you presume to speak on behalf of?

I think a shadow fron bench tends to be relatively unknown after 14 years in opposition. The same was true of the Tories in 2010. The difference is that (up to now) the majority of our press has been in hock to the Tory party, and go out of their way to not tell us who the opposition are. Oh, and you're one of many who spells Kier like Pier, instead of Keir, like Weir

Yes, again I agree... sometimes we have to go for the best worst option. Ideally, we deserve better, absolutely.

I respect that opinion, of course. However, 50 reform MPs would send a shudder through every sane individual for what is coming... I am sure you've already done so, but look at who their backers are and how they run themselves - it's a plc, Farage cannot be ousted. That doesn't bode well for anyone who wishes to have anny form of democracy.

Yes, Yes...........hard NO. Nothing nice about the fresh face of a cosplay Fascist.

Fair.

They're desperate, and desperate people say and do desperate things.

Under the current voting system, I respectfully suggest that this is a wonderfully idealistic yet naive notion.

Oadby etc is set to go to Labour, apparently. It's been blue since I was born.

One was found entirely not guilty by the police and the HMRC, one is passing off his 'new home' as though permanent in order to justify his selection in a constituency he has no association with whatsoever.

That, sir, is false equivalence.

I think you MIGHT be missing the point here

For clarity - no, I don't think all right wingers are bad, or evil, or Nazis. What I DID say was that by spouting crap about the current government being 'Socialist' (and does anyone here really believe that description?), it allows anyone who seeks to justify their abhorrent outlook as 'moderate'. In other words, the awful lurch to the right is no good for any of us. And if we were similarly all lurching to the left, it would not be good either. Balance requires honesty, and Reform / Farage / Tice and their horrible backers are not honest. I hope that makes my position clearer @Paninistickers - I appreciate your sincerity here and I know you weren't picking a fight.

Things are not good when you get people like Tice suggesting that the most right wing government of our lifetimes is actually following Socialist policies - and this will chime with every wannabe nazi that wishes to try and justify their appalling political and social stances.

Quitting means they can just carry on as if nothing has gone wrong and they can avoid the deafening cognitive dissonance.

He said 'could', not 'will'.

Again, I admire your lack of defensiveness here. I don't agree with you, but that doesn't actually matter. I hope that if Labour do win, they do better than you fear.

Well, you're honest at least. But talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Nice insults to anyone that disagrees with you. Plenty of talent in the Labour ranks. Farage is both a "conviction" politician and a single issue candidate. So presumably you'd vote for him over a Labour candidate...