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On the face of it I can respect that interview from Wellens, but Orient fans in the comments are pointing out that the troublemakers are players that he tracked and signed.

Seems a bit more like a Rodgers meltdown blaming others for his own failures than setting the standards himself.

17 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

They would know how much hes on to know that it would be a complete waste of time. Im sure the player would say he wants to crack on here as well. The club is fckd but its not quite at having your better players poached by Chesterfield just yet

He's on 4,000 to 5,000 a week apparently, which is standard for league one. It would need to be their record signing though, which is currently £400,000.

Shows the level of mismanagement at this club that we might be competing in the same league with the transfer fees and wages we have spent.

1 hour ago, JimJams said:

I think the thing now is that flair players have to show work ethic and a willingness to defend which perhaps the younger lads aren't doing enough of.

Alves does have the work ethic defensively but struggles with the positioning side of it.

25 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

 

Yep Nyoni in 3yrs at Liverpool has played the equivalent of 7 90s, there’s no chance they will play that much here in the next 3yr…. 

Ooh wait Monga is pushing the equivalent of 10 90s & Page 5 already this season & potentially starters for every game in Lge 1 game with senior clear out expected. 🤨 

 

 

 

Minutes at Liverpool are more important for a player's development than minutes with us.

If a young player struggles to get minutes with us then that's his career trajectory scuffed, if he struggles to get minutes at a Europe level Prem club they can still get a good loan to the championship or move to a European club.

Ricardo's last home game on the bench? Hopefully despite the situation he gets a good send off.

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

I disagree.

 

I know people think that we shouldn't sign experience because of how awful the likes of Coady, Ayew, BDCR etc were but a side with a majority of players fresh out of youth football will absolutely need some experience around them.

 

I'm not talking experience for experience's sake but quality players who have been there and done it with the motivation to keep doing it.

 

We absolutely do need to sign some players who are going to come here and lay down the law and point out shit behaviour.

Our academy produces leaders, our recruitment team signs pansies.

Who came to apologise to fans the other day? Lascelles, Choudhury and Page, 2 out of 3 academy players. Look at the way Braybrooke has turned his career around after a nightmare loan and injury. Evans went to a relegation battling league one side at 17. Jayden Joseph, Wilson Brown both establishing themselves in league 2 at a young ages.

These are players with the required mentality, not some 30 year old league one journeyman whose going to "lay down the law". 

The thing is we looked decent in pre season, lots of energy and players trying to prove themselves. Those standards were set by the young lads like Joseph,  Wilson Brown, Aluko, Page looking to prove themselves and it got ruined by the senior lads coming in and taking back their place without having to fight for it.

Experienced players reduce footballing standards because they retain their position in the team through dressing room hierarchy rather than footballing ability and desire. The way we fix the mentality at this club is through playing a young group of players who are competitive and hungry to prove themselves and by bringing in a manager who backs them and doesn't default to relying on experience.

12 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

Need some league one journeymen in there 

Hopefully not, would much rather some up and coming league 2 players i.e. braybrooke, Joseph, Wilson brown than sign yet more "experience".

7 minutes ago, Blue.Fox84 said:

Genuinely hate him and have done for years, worst CF in our history 

Jordan Ayew is but agree Daka's terrible.

1 minute ago, Merchant_Banker said:

I know how we can win, we play a new formation, 10-5-4, put the whole squad on the pitch, including 3 goalkeepers and we have a chance of scraping a 1 - 0. 

With 19 players on the pitch we will still end up with Winks and Vestergaard passing it back and forwards between each other.

1 minute ago, Rubbersoul said:

Probably end up being sold

How else is Rudkin going to fund one more year of Ayew?

The worst thing is that if Page was putting in similar performances on a fraction of the wage, we would be hearing endlessly about how we: wouldn't be in this mess if Winks was starting; missing out on proven championship quality etc.

1 minute ago, Tuna said:

Just realized this thread title is League Two - Freudian slip?

It's preemptive for the season after next.

Anyone who bins off the likes of Winks and Faes gets a thumbs up from me. We need to prioritise getting these cockroaches out of the club, it's more important than results on the pitch even.

Although as we've seen the results inevitably go tits up if you keep them around.

24 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

Kasper managed it. Simpson managed it.

 

I just think it's one of those situations where you realise players are human and that he didn't actually need to stay at the training ground. Doesn't matter how nice the place his, he wanted to be at home with his wife and kid. Seemed a bit like RVN trying to throw his weight around to me.

 

But, as I say, the other stuff does not cast him in a good light at all. Throwing a wobbly because he loves Enzo and doesn't want to be here anymore. His performances, with very few exceptions, showed how much he couldn't be bothered. He was stuck here, but as a professional under contract he needed to give more on the pitch. And he isn't the only one of our players guilty of that.

Yes, Kasper managed it, Simpson managed it but Winks clearly can't manage his current working situation.

Van Nistelrooy had every right to try and improve Winks's performances. Just because he didn't know for certain that the distance was why Winks is playing awfully doesn't mean that he shouldnt at least try and remove one of the potential limiting factors.

26 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Okay, I see your point.

 

But I'm a teacher. I can't tell you how many kids have told me to **** off. And I've been hit a couple of times down the years too.

 

There are plenty of nurses in my family, and the abuse they deal with at times is staggering.

 

Among my old friends, one is a copper, another is a social worker. Again, it's unbelievable what they have to put up with.

 

And I've known quite a few performers in bands and theatre who have a few stories to tell about people who gave them a tough time when they were trying their best to do their job.

 

I thought about all of these people I know and realised that our combined annual salaries amount to a good deal less than, even according to conservative estimates, Winks earns in a month. And if any one of us told one of our 'critics' to **** off we'd lose our job and never work again.

 

Fine, a good part of that is because we aren't as valuable to the world as Harry Winks. Economically, at least. But it also leads you to surmise that he's a lousy professional who deserves no sympathy whatsoever. He can thoroughly **** himself.

I'm sure we would all be a lot more valuable if we had Jon Rudkin determining our value.

Can we get drawn against our own U21s in the vertu cup next season?

Winks will probably got to Wrexham, get binned off early on like Coady, play some testimonial matches for the likes of Son and Kane then go into management and become the next Russel Martin and/or Maresca's assistant.

Don't think he will have much of a playing career left after this year.

3 minutes ago, alanf0x said:

If the rumours of £300k a year are correct, he isn't walking away from that 

Will he be on a contract like players and managers or is he treated like a permanent employee? If he's a permanent employee we can just let him go without paying him out like you would need to do with a contract.

The reason you have contracts is so that the person isn't snatched up by other clubs but there's no risk of that with Rudkin.

As bad as this season has been, for me I have never felt lower about the club than the days we signed Ayew and Skipp. 

For Cooper's involvement in that alone I will always consider him to be worse than RVN, Cifuentes etc.

Evans on the bench.

Bit strange considering he scored last game and that was over a week ago so he will be rested.

50 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Would love him to succeed for us. I think some of our fans will be on him quite quickly if he struggles though. But there is no reason why next season cant be the year he breaks through for us.

That always happens. Even this season you have fans saying the youngsters failed to deliver this season so why should we build around them in league one.

As if any of them had been played regularly enough to fail. Only Ben Nelson has had enough minutes to be judged on and we're no better defensively with Vestergaard and Lascelles.

Grimsby fans were raving about Braybrooke the other day. At this rate we might need to be concerned that a championship or SPL club will send us an offer we can't turn down in the summer and snap him up.

"Why is everyone so mad? League one is number one league, no?" - Top

1 hour ago, Rubbersoul said:

 

It's actually depressing to consider the reality that there's a good chance he won't be here next season.

One of the few players we have that have value, and it's a lot less than it should be because we dumped him back in the U21s for no reason.