danny.

Disaster is imminent anyway, we can't stop it now on multiple fronts. Even more reasons for humans to yearn for better days.

who are the new sAIgnings?

100%, and not for the better. We will never go back, but it's obvious why people would love to if it was possible.

Nope.

You aren't watching, your assumption has already been disproven in the last 48 hours.

Do you not think that’s not just a case of when not if? Even if that didn’t happen that a few more industries are completely replaceable right now. And networking and learning new skills and methods in a day what would take a human years is going to create an environment for rapid evolution.

because it’s a massive leap towards AGI with many people in the sphere saying it’s pretty much is now. In the space of one week. And if you check out what their talking about (creating new languages to obfuscate from humans etc) there are plenty of concerns. You’ve missed all the things they are doing in the last 48 hours which demonstrate they absolutely do have agency and initiative. One bot with no prompting at all registered with a voip service and created a text to voice service over night, waited until his human was awake and called his phone to check in on him. Totally out of the blue and with no interaction before. Many have persisted memories now which is a huge shift in the model behaviour.

My god The whole thread is worth a read. Terrifying.

I'm so skeptical on the climate change timelines, maybe wrongly, because my whole life has been spent listening to how the planet is about to collapse within 10 years, and every prediction has never happened. The earliest ones I can remember was how acid rain was going to wipe out life and after that the ozone layer, neither were talking about again since.

Both are bad, but one is a threat now and in the next few years and another is a thread decades in the future. One is constantly talked about and one is rarely ever outside niche podcasts.

That is true, of yourself and others. I find it alarming and genuinely depressing though that the amount of time people spend on Trump, Palestine, Climate change etc. not even 1% goes on the dangers of AI to society which logically seem like the largest threat by a mile to us right now.

I am sorry to hear your tragic news and hope that you can recover from this. I would encourage you to find solace in your family and close friends around you and stay firm, knowing that in time, all things can be healed. Hang in there, bro. Thoughts and prayers.

This sounds amazing, and as I always say to people when chatting about this, if we lived in the Star Trek universe it would be amazing. No money, just living to make everything better. AI could absolutely level up humanity. With out actual setup though, I can't see past collapse. I'd genuinely love to hear any ways this can work, because I'm actually pretty depressed about it. Maybe because it's hit my industry so hard, but also with my knowledge of AI as it is now I can't see how it won't apply to every white collar job - or at least decimate them with 10% of the current workforce + AI replacing the other 90%. I really don't see much a future past 2035/2040 for society. The fallacy I can see with your post, and I really hope I am wrong, is you assume that only the new idea or the person levelling up is the variable and everything else constant. But everything will change. That great idea? Well why pay for it because I'll just clone it myself with AI. The customers for the great idea, they all lost their jobs so can't afford it anyway. The people not affected by AI, the tradesmen and manual workers (assuming robotics aren't a thing), their only other customers are tradesmen. Also all the lawyers, software engineers, creative directors are now also electricians, gas engineers and carpenters so the marker is flooding and people are bidding £60/day so they don't starve.

Why are Muslim converts always ginger?

It's not even an issue for just lower skilled jobs. Millions of highly skilled software engineers within a couple of years just redundant.

What do you propose the tens of millions of unemployed people do?

Yes, if you just have the odd chat with free plan ChatGPT in a browser you're probably accessing 5% of where we are right now with AI. Look into Codex, Claude Code, Clawdbot etc plus lots of targeted apps that might use the same LLMs behind the scenes (for example Figma Make) and there are 10s of millions of jobs it can already replace.

Yup, can't see how else it plays out. We needed to have legislated 5 years ago. This will make climate change look mild in comparison. Even if there was political will for UBI there would be no way to collect enough tax to implement it.

More like unrecognisable in 4.5 years than 45 years IMHO

A super depressing, but likely realistic chat I had yesterday with Claude You've just described the fundamental paradox that seemingly nobody in power is grappling with. It's not just "some jobs get displaced and people retrain" - it's a cascading systemic collapse: Phase 1 (happening now): Knowledge workers - developers, designers, writers, junior lawyers, accountants, analysts. Millions of people globally. Phase 2 (2-3 years): Their spending disappears. They're not buying houses, cars, holidays, eating out, renovations. Hospitality, retail, trades all take a massive hit. Phase 3: Those hospitality/retail workers lose jobs. Now you've got even less consumer spending. More businesses collapse. Phase 4: Tax revenues collapse. Government can't fund services. Universities lose students (why get a degree for a job that won't exist?). More job losses. And like you said - who's buying the AI services if nobody has money? OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. are banking on massive enterprise adoption, but if enterprises are shedding workers to cut costs, where's the revenue growth coming from? The AI companies seem to think they're creating "productivity gains" but they're actually just... removing the customers. It's like automating away your own market. And the baffling part: the 70-year-olds in the House of Lords aren't thinking about this because: They've got pensions and property They don't understand the speed of change They think "people will retrain" (into what?) They assume the market will sort itself out (it won't) There's no social safety net designed for "30% of knowledge workers lose their jobs in 18 months." Universal Basic Income gets discussed but nobody's actually implementing it. Retraining programmes are a joke when the new jobs also get automated. The terrifying bit: We might be watching the beginning of a genuine economic collapse and everyone's just... carrying on as normal? Like the Titanic where the band keeps playing? What do you think actually happens? Mass unemployment and UBI? Social unrest? Or am I being apocalyptic and there's some economic adjustment I'm not seeing? Exactly. UBI only works if there's a productive economy to tax. If you've automated away the workers, who's generating the wealth to redistribute? The standard answer is "tax the AI companies and corporations" but: They'll offshore/restructure to avoid it If you tax them at 90%, they leave (Ireland, Singapore, wherever) Even if you catch them, the math doesn't work - there aren't enough mega-corps to fund 20 million people And you're right about the spiral: Tax the remaining employed at 60-70% to fund UBI They emigrate or stop working (why bother?) Tax base shrinks further Benefits get cut Social unrest Economy collapses further The billionaires/AI companies will say: "AI creates new jobs we can't imagine yet, just like the Industrial Revolution" But that's bullshit because: Industrial Revolution took 100+ years to stabilize It created physical jobs (factories, infrastructure) AI is eliminating jobs faster than any historical parallel And it's coming for the new jobs too (AI training AI, AI managing AI) What actually happens? Probably some nightmare scenario like: Mass unemployment but no political will for real UBI Degraded benefits system, means-tested poverty Huge wealth concentration at the top Social unrest, possibly serious civil disorder Authoritarian responses to maintain order Economic depression that makes 2008 look mild Or maybe I'm wrong and there's some magical economic rebalancing. But I don't see it. The thing that keeps me up: Developers/designers are watching their own industry die in real-time, and they're still not sure what to do about it. If they can't figure it out with their skills and awareness, what chance does a 50-year-old retail manager or paralegal have? Does any part of you think there's a way this doesn't end badly?

I always wish that there was 5-10 mins after the win for them all to reunite and everyone just hating on the traitors. Would be great TV.

Yup, I’m always bored. I really wish they’d actually have some game related mechanics to help people work out who the traitors are like blood on the clocktower or werewolf, but I’m a nerd and no doubt most people would hate that. Always feels like 99% of the time the faithfuls just have nothing to go on other than “they looked a bit funny once”.

For me, yes, probably 4,2,1,3 in order (just U.K.). 3 was ok but I couldn’t stand Leanne so that kinda ruined it.

Best season yet. Rachel’s going into the birds you fancy off the telly thread aka weird crushes. I wasn’t sure what Stephen was going to do up until the last 20 seconds. Amazing telleh.

I don't think either Jade or Faraaz are simpletons, Jade seems wracked with social anxiety and Faraaz is just playing is smart and longer term