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Here was the final vote btw. I’m glad parties didn’t whip an issue like this

I mostly agree, with the exception of the ever eye rolling Robert Jenrick who had to chime in with the pretty despicable dog whistling that approving it “would be giving over the decisions to "activist judges in Strasbourg".” in an otherwise mature debate.

Interesting how non-party this issue seems to be. Yes and No votes from close allies in the same party and similar votes from people with different opinions in every other area of life. Here’s a list I saw of a few people voting for and against the bill: Yes: Keir Starmer, Rishi Sunak, Rachael Reeves, Lee Anderson, Ed Miliband, Liz Kendall, Layla Moran No: Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick, Jeremy Corbyn, Ed Davey, Nigel Farage, David Lammy, Angela Rayner

There’s a difference between not having time for people and having them decried and plastered all over the news so they can’t escape for the rest of their life from though. It’s that kind of public shaming and humiliation I really feel goes too far. If he quietly loses his job that’s warranted; but it’s the public humiliation is frightening to me, it’s the modern equivalent of putting someone in stocks in town so people can throw tomatoes at them, it’s a brutal punishment worse than prison in a lot of cases and it’s inhumane. I feel it plays a big part in the culture that has meant people have such horrible mental health nowadays, people are too scared to make mistakes nowadays because it can essentially shut them out from society. But everyone makes major life mistakes and ****s up in major ways at some point in their life. If you make a heap of all your winnings, risk it all on one game of pitch-and-toss, and lose, you should be allowed to start again at your beginnings.

I edited the domestic abuse bit out because I googled it and it turns out it’s not true.

I think chimney was American slang for a black eye. Or that’s the usual explanation anyway.

I think like a lot of Christmas stuff, it’s something to do/look forward to in the winter. I find the winter horrible to my mental health but Christmas and doing Christmassy things gives me something to focus on. Once it gets to January and February, after new years I always find it brutal.

There was a popular song in the 90s where the chorus was “what’s she gonna look like with a chimney on her?”

Amazing how many of the “you lost, get over it” types on a referendum nearly a decade ago are begging for another election after less than 6 months because they can’t handle that they lost.

I suppose that’s true, but people said the same thing about using UK weaponary at the start of the war. Plenty of Putin’s red lines have already been crossed and bluffs have been called, I’m not convinced we’d see our government overthrown if it happened. I suppose it depends on how much the west feel Putin is bluffing really.

I highly doubt it. The UK public is pretty staunchly behind Ukraine. It’s not like Iraq where a good proportion of the country was against it (and which still saw the government re elected anyway).

“The universe is a cruel, uncaring void. The key to being happy isn't the search for meaning; is to just keep yourself busy with unimportant nonsense, and eventually, you will be dead.” Mr. Peanutbutter

“I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead” H. J. Simpson

There’s a good simple video here to explain how our brains evolved and how it absolutely is perfectly normal for our brains to think this way, so you’re absolutely not alone in this and not unnormal @DennisNedry. Even feeling bad that you “have know right to feel that way is worse” is part of our evolutionary survival instinct of needing to fit in to a tribe and compare yourself with that tribe. Please don’t think you’re unnormal, you’re not. This is unfortunately how the human brain is wired to work. But the more you are conscious of it, the more you can hopefully recognise the patterns and try to get talk about it and get help.

It’s a lot more common to feel that way than you realise. It’s certainly not unnornal. I also fully empathise with the weighing down of responsibility and deadlines, bureaucracy and regulations and having people care about you can get really on top of you. Remember that the human brain evolved to see threats and discomfort because it helped us survive. Survival of the fittest and evolution has nothing to do about feeling good, in fact often quite the opposite, being forever on edge gives creatures more chance of seeing threats and surviving. Anxiety and depression is in many ways are evolutionary traits. It’s always worth remembering that humans are just a type of monkey and our brains are just monkey brains which survived because they were successful at hunting and gathering and surviving threatening creatures in the wild. That is still true in this weird terraformed world we’ve created with houses and jobs and central heating. And please don’t think “I have no right to feel this way when you read what others are going through”. Our brains aren’t as simple as that, your feelings are no less real just because of other people’s feelings. This thread is the best on this forum. Sometimes you just need somewhere to vent and write how you’re feeling the pressure of day to day life. It’s hard being a human being. Our brains are literally wired for anxiety and depression, because being wired to be hyper aware of threats kept us alive for millions of years. Sadly this is still true when the threats are the daily trudge of deadlines, bureaucracy and responsibilities.

The next few months will sure be a rocky road with Russia-Ukraine really intensifying again. Does feel like the most insecure/the most genuine chance of WW3 since probably the Cuban missile crisis right now.

I obviously don’t have the same harrowing experience as you, so I’m not comparing it, but I think to a much lesser extent this is how adult life of general feels to me. I’m not really convinced the good parts of adult life really outweigh the bad parts of life. But I only keep going really because it’s all there is and I have friends and family who I don’t want to hurt and just try to distract myself with stuff like playing board games, going to dinner with family and friends or doing stuff round the house just to quiet the chatting doommongering voice in my brain. I totally understand why so many with mental health issues want to isolate themselves from their loved ones in a way. I saw someone in here a couple of months ago saying “maybe privilege is just having people you care about to lose”. I dunno, probably not helpful to you, but something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. I carry on but I’m not really convinced life is actually enjoyable and doesn’t just feel like when you’re grinding away in a computer game rpg for the most part.

I completely agree. Catchphrase especially looks so fake and manufactured, like something from the Truman Show, but I wouldn’t blame the players over the producers.

Because they’re told to by producers and won’t pass the audition if they don’t . If you’ve ever watched Catchphrase you’ll see on that one people act incredibly unnaturally happy, almost in a ceeepy way where they put on these over exaggerated smiles and laughs. They’re told to do that in the auditions and screened to see if they can.

I don’t think this is true at all tbf. From what I understand countries like Monaco and Luxembourg are countries that don’t for example. Both countries have populations made up of primarily of immigrants and non-citizens, who are just residents and are generally treated more favourably than citizens who are born there if anything as they are the ones who bring the money into those countries. Obvious reason is because they’re wealthy white immigrants for the most part. Pretty sure wealthy white immigrants are treated better than the natives in plenty of countries tbh. Also plenty of indigenous minorities are discriminated against despite being citizens. There’s loads of debates about how Australians treat aborigines, how Russia treats Tartars or how Sweden treats Sami people for example despite the fact, these people actually are more “authentic” native citizens for want of a better term. Plenty who are born and raised in Northern Ireland have massive issues with how their treated by the uk government if you want to get controversial.

Come on, that’s absurd. We’re talking about billionaires here not a self employed middle class person. They have property worth tens of millions with no mortgage regardless of what their pay is. Elon Musk and Jeff Besos would not be “as poor as the rest of us” if you shut down Amazon and Tesla ffs.

How many homeless people do you think have passports and therefore could prove they are British citizens for starters? I can imagine a large amount of homeless Brits have zero ID and that is one of the reasons they can’t open a bank account or get a job too. It’s all well and good making these statements but what you are saying in practice actually means is setting up a level of bureaucracy for some kind of proof of citizenship when helping homeless people which sounds like a horrific idea for me and is probably only to cause way more problems than it solves.

Remember Mickey Adams hyping up Nicholas Priet as one for the future. There was Tomi Petrescu as well. Don’t know ever happened to them In terms of players who didn’t just play one of two games, Kerrea Gilbert was good for us in our League One winning season and just a young player, seemed to drop into the non league quite soon after though.

I was thinking more Brighton where house prices are basically London prices but it’s probably reasonable outside of Brighton. Dorset and Kent are nice but I think would be too rural to live for me personally. I think that’s where Hamoshire and Sussex strike the nice balance as they have decently sized cities and towns as well. As much as I appreciate the culture and people of the north and midlands, once you’ve been gentrified by the south coast, it’s hard to go back

Lived in Hampshire for many years and wouldnt live anywhere else in the uk at this point I think. Has both sections of 2 of the countries biggest and nicest national parks in the South Downs and New Forest if you like nature. 2 medium sized sized cities in Southampton and Portsmouth for stuff to do and jobs as well as one of the countries most beautiful (architecture wise) and oldest and most historic cities in Winchester (I think it’s one of the few counties with 3 cities). Plenty of islands around the south coast if you like island hopping. Cheaper house prices and rent than Devon, Cornwall, Sussex etc. as south coast countries go too.