F-Hume

[Thracian]

Why do some people ever put up with the way they're treated by football managers?

Someone on the forum has guardedly criticised Hume for failing to score in three matches and if I were Hume I'd be in the manager's office to do something about it.

How the hell could Hume have been expected to do anything?

He hasn't played three games. He's had three cameos.

And even then it has been in situations where we were hardly committed to attack.

If I were a forward joining a new club I'd have some conditions inserted about the type of football we were going to try and play, the number of attackers we were going to use and so on. I wouldn't be prepared to sacrifice my reputation on the altar of monotonous defensive expediency. And if you don't believe me ask my friends and my old headmaster/games masters at the Wyggy.

Either that, or if I was so upset about the ambitionless approach of the manager to the game I'd have gone down with a cold or the shits and refused to have anything at all to do with it.

It's a crying, crying shame. Hume is a fast, committed all-action breath of fresh air on a football field and he's been made to look anonymous. Well done Levein. Well done Leicester City. And be warned any other forwards who might be thinking of playing for City. Join West Ham if you can.

[cisono]

Why do some people ever put up with the way they're treated by football managers?

Someone on the forum has guardedly criticised Hume for failing to score in three matches and if I were Hume I'd be in the manager's office to do something about it.

How the hell could Hume have been expected to do anything?

He hasn't played three games. He's had three cameos.

And even then it has been in situations where we were hardly committed to attack.

Indeed. He hasn't had a decent amount of time in a game, let alone enough support from the rest of the team. We really should NOT be criticising Hume at this stage...

[Katy]

Indeed. He hasn't had a decent amount of time in a game, let alone enough support from the rest of the team. We really should NOT be criticising Hume at this stage...

Who has actually been criticising him? I havent read anything that would suggest that by anyone.

[stulcfc]

i aint seen any thing aswell

[Hugo]

I agree, and i dont see the point in trying to break players in gently unless theyre not fit (like de vries last year) but with hume its different. Giving him cameo roles every game will surely break down his confidence as any player would struggle to make an impact coming on towards the end of the game, and he might find he loses his sharpness because of lack of action. Why not just risk him for the full 90 mins, its not like its starting a new defender where it could mean a shakey back line, its a forward so he wont lose games for the team... I would have started him against wolves. I think players need to be thrown in at the deep end sometimes to wake them up a bit, so they learn fast ready for the next game wheras i think hume will have gained very little from the sub appearences

I would be unhappy if i was hume, this sort of start in the team is hardly gonna help him settle in quickly

[Katy]

I agree, and i dont see the point in trying to break players in gently unless theyre not fit (like de vries last year) but with hume its different. Giving him cameo roles every game will surely break down his confidence as any player would struggle to make an impact coming on towards the end of the game, and he might find he loses his sharpness because of lack of action. Why not just risk him for the full 90 mins, its not like its starting a new defender where it could mean a shakey back line, its a forward so he wont lose games for the team... I would have started him against wolves. I think players need to be thrown in at the deep end sometimes to wake them up a bit, so they learn fast ready for the next game wheras i think hume will have gained very little from the sub appearences

I would be unhappy if i was hume, this sort of start in the team is hardly gonna help him settle in quickly

Heres hoping he at least starts against Blackpool. From what ive seen of him he has the pace to break through defences and run them ragged, which is exactly what we need at the moment - give the crowd something to shout about!

Edit: Just remembered hes cup tied so scrap that - gerrim on against QPR!

[Parsons]

Surely levein will play him against blackpool, il be very shocked if he didnt.

How is he suposed to prove his worth if CL does not let him start.

[Katy]

Surely levein will play him against blackpool, il be very shocked if he didnt.

How is he suposed to prove his worth if CL does not let him start.

Hes cup tied.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Christ, what's the fuss about? We bought him from the division below, he should be grateful. Are we really that desperate that someone who, domestically, has never played above the third tier of English football has the right to complain because he hasn't started in the three games since we bought him? No, of course not, what a load of trash. Of course you would have to be an utter cretin to criticise him for not scoring in the appearances that he has made but what does anyone expect? Not many new players go straight into any first team, especially when they've been signed from bleeding Tranmere and Levein has already stated he wasn't properly match-fit when we signed him. He gave him a run-out in the reserves.

De Vries scored two goals against Wednesday in the first game that Hume could have played for us so you can hardly drop him for the Cardiff game. I think it's fair enough that Hammond played at Cardiff on the basis that the strikeforce had got us two goals in the previous game. The Wolves game was a bit of a one-off as Levein obviously felt that we needed a more solid base and de Vries was the man to lead the attack. There is no way Hume could have played in that formation at Wolves. He'll probably start against QPR. It's still early days.

But yeah, you're right, that's just what we need, a new player who comes in and criticises the manager for using a formation that has got us a point away at Wolves when usually we get sweet FA. You're off your rocker.

[Frenzied]

Levein's doing the right thing by giving him a few sub appearances to begin with. This will not affect his confidence unless he's incredibly weak-willed. Hume's just moved up a division and should not expect to be an immediate starter in front of players that have had a few games together already ie Hammond and De Vries - two players that have done nothing wrong.

Furthermore, as I understand it, Hume was lacking a degree of match fitness when he joined. Breaking him in relatively gradually is the sensible thing to do - that way he'll get an idea of the pace of the division.

[Dunc]

He was in Canada for the pre season period apparently and even more recently as well so he isn't fit yet.

Think it was made clear a few days after we signed him that with Hammond doing well that CL was going to give him time to get properly fit.

[Thracian]

Christ, what's the fuss about? We bought him from the division below, he should be grateful. Are we really that desperate that someone who, domestically, has never played above the third tier of English football has the right to complain because he hasn't started in the three games since we bought him? No, of course not, what a load of trash. Of course you would have to be an utter cretin to criticise him for not scoring in the appearances that he has made but what does anyone expect? Not many new players go straight into any first team, especially when they've been signed from bleeding Tranmere and Levein has already stated he wasn't properly match-fit when we signed him. He gave him a run-out in the reserves.

De Vries scored two goals against Wednesday in the first game that Hume could have played for us so you can hardly drop him for the Cardiff game. I think it's fair enough that Hammond played at Cardiff on the basis that the strikeforce had got us two goals in the previous game. The Wolves game was a bit of a one-off as Levein obviously felt that we needed a more solid base and de Vries was the man to lead the attack. There is no way Hume could have played in that formation at Wolves. He'll probably start against QPR. It's still early days.

But yeah, you're right, that's just what we need, a new player who comes in and criticises the manager for using a formation that has got us a point away at Wolves when usually we get sweet FA. You're off your rocker.

No. I'm saying that if a manager told me to play in a blatantly defensive line-up because he's shit scared of going for the win he could easily have got, then I'd tell him to stuff it. I'd have told him if you're happy to settle for one point from matches you've signed the wrong player and I won't be a part of it. Perhaps I'd have told him to sign you - someone who'd sell the soul of football if it meant not getting beaten.

Why defending the principles I believe in makes me off my rocker I don't know. You can stick your boring, negative, sporting surrenders for me.

Anyway, this must be the 100th post I've forwarded pleading for a return to the attacking spirit at Leicester and generally it's fallen on stony ground. Few seem to give a shit so long as we got our precious point at Wolves.

If you'll put up with such dross they'll serve you some more...and it'll be exactly what you deserve...but it certainly doesn't get my juices going.

I wouldn't have dreamed of backing off against a half-strength Wolves. I'd have gone for their throats and tried to rip em to pieces. Off my rocker or not.

[Katy]

Please stop generalising. You arent the only one with this opinion, so stop playing the martyr Thrac!

[FNQ]

I think Levein should have started him, but it's not the worst thing he is doing. It's pretty irrelevant what striker we start if Levein's going to play 4-5-1 and no wingers.

[Gené and Tonic]

Sorry, whats going on? I've head no critisism of Hume, only praise. I'm sure Levein will begin to start him more and more, after all, he is not going to make his most expensive signing at Leicester and then leave him on the bench all the time.

With him introduced into the side, maybe Levein will begin to start attacking more often.

As much as I hate the defensive football we are playing, I can roughly see why it's happening. Although, should it continue throughout the season, with or without, Hume and Gerrbrand, I shall not be too impressed.

[Thracian]

Please stop generalising. You arent the only one with this opinion, so stop playing the martyr Thrac!

I didn't say I was the only one with this opinion. There are quite a few notable exceptions. I did say "generally" because I had to "generalise" to make my point.

But when people call me "off my rocker" cos I'm passionate about seeing football played with an attacking spirit and with a determination to beat anyone we come up against, then it well pisses me off.

[Fez of Mahrez]

No. I'm saying that if a manager told me to play in a blatantly defensive line-up because he's shit scared of going for the win he could easily have got, then I'd tell him to stuff it. I'd have told him if you're happy to settle for one point from matches you've signed the wrong player and I won't be a part of it. Perhaps I'd have told him to sign you - someone who'd sell the soul of football if it meant not getting beaten.

Why defending the principles I believe in makes me off my rocker I don't know. You can stick your boring, negative, sporting surrenders for me.

Anyway, this must be the 100th post I've forwarded pleading for a return to the attacking spirit at Leicester and generally it's fallen on stony ground. Few seem to give a shit so long as we got our precious point at Wolves.

If you'll put up with such dross they'll serve you some more...and it'll be exactly what you deserve...but it certainly doesn't get my juices going.

I wouldn't have dreamed of backing off against a half-strength Wolves. I'd have gone for their throats and tried to rip em to pieces. Off my rocker or not.

Fair enough you'd have preferred to see some attacking football, so would I, as would most people, but it's the manager's job to pick the team and decide the tactics. No-one ever gained anything from players spouting off about the manager. The best example being your beloved David Connolly, wandering from club to club mouthing off at various managers until he got here, settled down, worked hard without complaining for once and finally got his move to the Premiership. You can bet your life he'd been looked at before by Premiership clubs but they were put off by his tirades against previous managers.

It's all very well making grandiose statements about "selling the soul of football" but if you read your topic in General Football & Sport about 4-5-1, you'd see that I agree with you in principle. I'm not saying I'd play 4-5-1 myself but to be honest, it can work sometimes. When we've played 4-5-1 in the past it's had mixed results. No-one moaned when we won at Charlton, some people moaned when we lost at Blackburn and now everyone moans because we drew at Wolves. What's the betting that if de Vries had scored with that chance and we'd won 1-0, a lot of people wouldn't be moaning at all, in fact quite the opposite.

It's not my intention to get dragged into a discussion about whether we should or shouldn't have played 4-5-1 at Wolves, I was merely stating my opinion that Hume has nothing to be concerned about that he hasn't started a game yet. To be honest, Levein is probably scared stiff of playing Hume until he's sure he's 100% match fit after the de Vries debacle last season. Which, in my book, is fair enough.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I didn't say I was the only one with this opinion. There are quite a few notable exceptions. I did say "generally" because I had to "generalise" to make my point.

But when people call me "off my rocker" cos I'm passionate about seeing football played with an attacking spirit and with a determination to beat anyone we come up against, then it well pisses me off.

You're off your rocker for wanting players to try and manage the team, it's got nothing to do with attacking spirit or determination.

[Babylon]

Levein out... he obviously has no idea what he's doing.

I'm going out to buy some chill pills for everyone.

The guys been here three bloody minutes he'll be playing soon.

[Katy]

I didn't say I was the only one with this opinion. There are quite a few notable exceptions. I did say "generally" because I had to "generalise" to make my point.

But when people call me "off my rocker" cos I'm passionate about seeing football played with an attacking spirit and with a determination to beat anyone we come up against, then it well pisses me off.

Nobody is accepting it! What would you like everyone to do? Im not having a pop I just would like you to explain. I agree with you we should be going all about to win games, despite being relatively young I was brought up with an old fashioned view of how football should be played having watched them for 20 odd years. It frustrates the arse off me how we are playing at the moment and alot of others no doubt too.

I would still like to know who has been slagging Hume off (openly or not) on here though, as theres no obvious evidence.

[Libertine]

I think Levein should have started him, but it's not the worst thing he is doing. It's pretty irrelevant what striker we start if Levein's going to play 4-5-1 and no wingers.

Sylla and Hamill.

[Gené and Tonic]

Levein out... he obviously has no idea what he's doing.

I'm going out to buy some chill pills for everyone.

The guys been here three bloody minutes he'll be playing soon.

Agreed, don't know what the fuss is about

[Hullfox]

Agreed, don't know what the fuss is about

Quite right.

There's a lot of football to be played and I'm sure he'll figure heavily.

[Thracian]

Someone on the forum was grumbling about his having played three games without a goal (as if it's not much of a return) and adding that he needs to play a full game. I can't be bothered to go through all the threads again to find it. If I come across it accidentally then I'll say where.

And, for what it's worth it's another example of Levein's negativity that he should sign a guy to help replace an outgoing forward and then doesn't put him (properly) into the team for a month. There was sod all wrong with his fitness when he played for the reserves and it's not as if we're winning every week and playing wonderfully well.

What the hell had he got to lose by playing one of his best players?. By the time he does play he'll probably wish he'd signed for someone else.

[Gené and Tonic]

I'm pretty sure Leveins explained to Hume what he's going to do