Sparky Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 im pretty sure at half time paddy would approached stearman and said "sorry about that mate, didnt mean to go ott " and stearman would probably accepted it and then no more said . hey , how do i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipman Out Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 If someone strangled Paddy everytime he made a mistake his neck would be like a twiglet, go on stearman have him in training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRFOOT Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 yeh, knock him out stearman, it was bang out of order. He is probably jealous because stearman is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gené and Tonic Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 yeh, knock him out stearman, it was bang out of order. He is probably jealous because stearman is better! yes, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scow Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 I felt sorry for Stearman - you could see at the time he was visibly effected by what had happened. No one denies Stearman deserved the bollocking for what he did, but McCarthy acted on impulse rather than sense. You can't justify what McCarthy did. Stearman is just 18 with only a handful of appearances under his belt. Yes, he committed a mistake which nearly led to a goal, but he didn't deserve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cisono Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 If someone strangled Paddy everytime he made a mistake his neck would be like a twiglet, go on stearman have him in training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbo Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 As some have said, Stearman very much needed a telling off as I'm sure he realised once he'd focked up. But strangling your own team mate is going too far. If someone did that to me I'd hit the shit out of them. Although, as Sparky said, I'm sure Paddy said sorry and that they're the best of mates now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cisono Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 If someone did that to me I'd hit the shit out of them. So would I... Although, as Sparky said, I'm sure Paddy said sorry and that they're the best of mates now. Paddy must have done a bit of apologising lately then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbo Posted 24 October 2005 Share Posted 24 October 2005 Paddy must have done a bit of apologising lately then! Elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vo Rogue Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Errm Stearman v McCarthy, I know who I'd put my money on I'd like him to try that on with the other young lads Sheehan and Weso. He'd be on his arse as quick as a flash. They wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour,thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 I thought McCarthy was bang out of order and it was abit rich coming from him considering the two mistakes he made not that long after he assaulted Stearman. Stearman was looking dodgy and what was needed was a quiet word in his ear like what Dublin does to him, not some little pikey trying to kill him. Stearman was immense in the second half and perhaps it did fire him up but for the first few moments after Paddy's lecture he was really shaken. Paddy tried to nod a backwards header to Douglas and Coventry were so close to getting on the end of it which would have been game over. He also nearly put us in the shit abit later, but having said that he was rock solid for the rest of the game. I like McCarthy's passion and long may it continue but Stearman is a young lad who needs encouraging not literally patronised and assaulted by a player who will never have even half the talent Stearman has got. Perhaps Paddy knows that Stearman will eventually take his place and he doesn't like that. Stearman has now played 20 times for us and he's been our best defender in most of them. Yes, the past 4 or 5 games he's made a few mistakes but he also has done an awful lot of things right in those games and he's fearless even against some of the most physical opposition. I'm sorry Thracian, I know Sheehan is talented but he isn't a patch on Stearman and never will be. Rich will be one of the best defenders in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIRFOOT Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 I thought McCarthy was bang out of order and it was abit rich coming from him considering the two mistakes he made not that long after he assaulted Stearman. Stearman was looking dodgy and what was needed was a quiet word in his ear like what Dublin does to him, not some little pikey trying to kill him. Stearman was immense in the second half and perhaps it did fire him up but for the first few moments after Paddy's lecture he was really shaken. Paddy tried to nod a backwards header to Douglas and Coventry were so close to getting on the end of it which would have been game over. He also nearly put us in the shit abit later, but having said that he was rock solid for the rest of the game. I like McCarthy's passion and long may it continue but Stearman is a young lad who needs encouraging not literally patronised and assaulted by a player who will never have even half the talent Stearman has got. Perhaps Paddy knows that Stearman will eventually take his place and he doesn't like that. Stearman has now played 20 times for us and he's been our best defender in most of them. Yes, the past 4 or 5 games he's made a few mistakes but he also has done an awful lot of things right in those games and he's fearless even against some of the most physical opposition. I'm sorry Thracian, I know Sheehan is talented but he isn't a patch on Stearman and never will be. Rich will be one of the best defenders in the country. i know stearman is good, but one of the best in the country? i feel that is very hopeful, he will become a solid premiership defender, WITH US! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 i know stearman is good, but one of the best in the country? i feel that is very hopeful, he will become a solid premiership defender, WITH US! From what i've seen of Stearman and from what people in football say about him, he's destined for the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 I like McCarthy's passion and long may it continue but Stearman is a young lad who needs encouraging not literally patronised and assaulted by a player who will never have even half the talent Stearman has got. Perhaps Paddy knows that Stearman will eventually take his place and he doesn't like that. Stearman has now played 20 times for us and he's been our best defender in most of them. Yes, the past 4 or 5 games he's made a few mistakes but he also has done an awful lot of things right in those games and he's fearless even against some of the most physical opposition. Oh come on Ric, Paddy doesn't have anything against Stearman. It was just a heat-of-the-moment thing. He's not that much older than Richard himself. He apologised not long afterwards. As for saying Paddy doesn't have half the talent Stearman has, well that's just laughable. Stearman has the potential to be a very good player but that's all it is at the moment. Paddy and Stearman have played about the same amount of Championship games as each other and I'd still prefer Paddy at CB to Stearman at the moment. As for him being our best defender, I'm afraid most people would say that's been Dublin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Oh come on Ric, Paddy doesn't have anything against Stearman. It was just a heat-of-the-moment thing. He's not that much older than Richard himself. He apologised not long afterwards. As for saying Paddy doesn't have half the talent Stearman has, well that's just laughable. Stearman has the potential to be a very good player but that's all it is at the moment. Paddy and Stearman have played about the same amount of Championship games as each other and I'd still prefer Paddy at CB to Stearman at the moment. As for him being our best defender, I'm afraid most people would say that's been Dublin... Well recently everybody has been saying that McCarthy has the potential to be a good player. In my eyes, McCarthy isn't anymore established as a player than Stearman and Paddy has made a hell of alot more mistakes than Stearman has. Infact if I recall Stearman was our best defender in the first half a dozen or so games he played. I rate both of them, but my opinion which is echoed by many others is that Stearman is our most talented defender. Potentially he could be a top premiership defender, as could McCarthy but it's common knowledge how highly coveted Stearman is. Louise, as your widely known as a statto I thought you'd be keen to hear that Richard Stearman has received a better average rating over the season than McCarthy by the fans. You could also argue that Stearman is playing out of position so to say that all Stearman is at present is potential then what is McCarthy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 I thought McCarthy was bang out of order and it was abit rich coming from him considering the two mistakes he made not that long after he assaulted Stearman. Stearman was looking dodgy and what was needed was a quiet word in his ear like what Dublin does to him, not some little pikey trying to kill him. Stearman was immense in the second half and perhaps it did fire him up but for the first few moments after Paddy's lecture he was really shaken. Paddy tried to nod a backwards header to Douglas and Coventry were so close to getting on the end of it which would have been game over. He also nearly put us in the shit abit later, but having said that he was rock solid for the rest of the game. I like McCarthy's passion and long may it continue but Stearman is a young lad who needs encouraging not literally patronised and assaulted by a player who will never have even half the talent Stearman has got. Perhaps Paddy knows that Stearman will eventually take his place and he doesn't like that. Stearman has now played 20 times for us and he's been our best defender in most of them. Yes, the past 4 or 5 games he's made a few mistakes but he also has done an awful lot of things right in those games and he's fearless even against some of the most physical opposition. I'm sorry Thracian, I know Sheehan is talented but he isn't a patch on Stearman and never will be. Rich will be one of the best defenders in the country. For the second time we seem to be seeing totally different pictures. As you well know, I am a great fan of Stearman's but in the last two games I've watched he's been no more than ordinary. What I most like is that he doesn't hide when he's playing badly and he's forever involved. But because of that involvement he needs to reduce his ratio of mistakes. No-one disagrees that McCarthy made mistakes, he always does, but he's another that is 100 per cent involved and his actions on Saturday showed that winning really mattered to him. He and Dublin are two different characters. Dion seems naturally laid back (too much so at times) while McCarthy is a typically up front, passionate and reactive Irishman. What are you expecting? McCarthy to get a personality transplant. I don't think so. He'll be as pissed off with his own mistakes as with Stearman's but his reaction was well meant and Stearman is or should be strong enough to take it. Hopefully it will have well focused his mind. As for my comparative view of Stearman and Sheehan I can only go on what I've seen (which is probably not as much as you) but I have never seen Sheehan play as ordinarily as Stearman did against Burnley and Coventry while I have seen him play some outstanding football. Sheehan's problem is that, unlike Stearman, he does everything more quietly, more calmly. That will never endear him to fans in the same way as Stearman but of all City's staff, Sheehan is the first name I pencil into any team (apart perhaps from Smith, who I haven't seen). And, he seems to be featuring in a whole lot of clean sheets for a man you dismiss by comparison with Stearman. Cos City don't seem to be too clever at clean sheets and the reason is (as McCarthy tried to emphasise in that isolated moment) they don't seem able to concentrate for a full 90 minutes. Stearman, McCarthy, Dublin, Nils - they all have the one thing in common .... they are all prone to unnecessary mistakes. Sheehan, in my view, makes fewer mistakes than all of them. But comparisons probably won't matter a lot because Sheehan doesn't look likely to be picked for anything important cos he doesn't appear to be one of the favoured few (it's been a bloody insult that non-specialists like Nils have been chosen ahead of him) and in my view he'll leave as soon as he gets the opportunity to play somewhere where his face does fit a bit better and where his considerable capabilities are properly appreciated. People mentioned a few loose passes in Sheehan's first half during the 2-0 (yes, another nil) win over Wednesday but the other players I've mentioned have made monumental cock-ups (as well as lots of indifferent passes of their own). Funny how some are forgiven and some are punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcsoul66 Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 McCarthy shouldn't have done that! You never make mistakes then McCarthy? How many bookings have got this season because a players gone by you and you've fouled them to stop em! They didn't score, so concentrate on the game! Stearman in my oppinion is far better than McCarthy i wouldn't play him personally i'd play Sheehan on the left and play Johannsen and Dublin in the middle with Stearman on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Oh come on Ric, Paddy doesn't have anything against Stearman. It was just a heat-of-the-moment thing. He's not that much older than Richard himself. He apologised not long afterwards. As for saying Paddy doesn't have half the talent Stearman has, well that's just laughable. Stearman has the potential to be a very good player but that's all it is at the moment. Paddy and Stearman have played about the same amount of Championship games as each other and I'd still prefer Paddy at CB to Stearman at the moment. As for him being our best defender, I'm afraid most people would say that's been Dublin... Spot on at the moment. And by a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 For the second time we seem to be seeing totally different pictures. As you well know, I am a great fan of Stearman's but in the last two games I've watched he's been no more than ordinary. What I most like is that he doesn't hide when he's playing badly and he's forever involved. But because of that involvement he needs to reduce his ratio of mistakes. No-one disagrees that McCarthy made mistakes, he always does, but he's another that is 100 per cent involved and his actions on Saturday showed that winning really mattered to him. He and Dublin are two different characters. Dion seems naturally laid back (too much so at times) while McCarthy is a typically up front, passionate and reactive Irishman. What are you expecting? McCarthy to get a personality transplant. I don't think so. He'll be a pissed off with his own mistakes as with Stearman's but his reaction was well meant and Stearman is or should be strong enough to take it. Hopefully it will have well focused his mind. As for my comparative view of Stearman and Sheehan I can only go on what I've seen (which is probably not as much as you) but I have never seen Sheehan play as ordinarily as Stearman did against Burnley and Coventry while I have seen he play some outstanding football. Sheehan's problem is that, unlike Stearman, he does everything more quietly, more calmly. That will never endear him to fans in the same way as Stearman but of all City's staff, Sheehan is the first name I pencil into any team (part perhaps from Smith, who I haven't seen). And, he seems to be featuring in a whole lot of clean sheets for a man you dismiss by comparison with Stearman. Cos City don't seem to be too clever at clean sheets and the reason is (as McCarthy tried to emphasise in that isolated moment) they don't seem able to concentrate for a full 90 minutes. Stearman, McCarthy, Dublin, Nils - they all have the one thing in common .... they are all prone to unnecessary mistakes. Sheehan, in my view, makes less mistakes than all of them. But comparisons probably won't matter a lot because Sheehan doesn't look likely to be picked for anything important cos he doesn't appear to be one of the favoured few (it's been a bloody insult that non-specialists like Nils have been chosen ahead of him) and in my view he'll leave as soon as he gets the opportunity to play somewhere where his face does fit a bit better. That's a fair kop and I agree with some of your points. I just think that McCarthy could of gone about it in a better way, but take nothing away from him he's passionate and that's what we've been desperate to see from some of our players. I like Paddy and he could turn in to a great defender, but for me and i'm willing to put hard cash on it that Stearman will be the jewel in the crown. Stearman hadn't made any mistakes up until this month and 2 or 3 mistakes shouldn't put him in the same bracket as the serial offenders like McCarthy, Dublin and Nissa just the same as Sheehan can't really be classed as flawless from 3 first team games. I've followed Stearman's career for about 3 years now and have spoken to a few people at youth matches who are involved in football and Rich is classed as a serious prospect in this game. Sheehan is a weird one as he wasn't hyped up or anything until late last season abit like Piper was a few years ago where they arrive from nowhere and look the business in the first team. I rate Sheehan and he has all the attributes to progress in to a good player, what he needs is the right guidance which I think he'll get under Levein. Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea don't come sniffing round you if your not hotter than hot. Shit hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Spot on at the moment. And by a distance. Who? Dublin or Paddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Who? Dublin or Paddy? Sorry, Dublin. He's been our best defender lately - even his error at Watford was due a bit more to the cunning of the Watford forward than was ever given credit. Everyone's been making mistakes but Dion's dominance around the penalty area has been pronounced and a decent Watford team were reduced to looking ordinary. McCarthy is 100 per cent involved and seems to be fouling less now but he's just not dominant enough to be really convincing. Even so, we're conceding an acceptable goal-a-game (almost inevitable at this level) and now have forwards well capable of scoring two or more in every match. Confidence and consistency are the keys now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cisono Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Sorry, Dublin. He's been our best defender lately - even his error at Watford was due a bit more to the cunning of the Watford forward than was ever given credit. Everyone's been making mistakes but Dion's dominance around the penalty area has been pronounced and a decent Watford team were reduced to looking ordinary Indeed. Dublin's influence has been pervasive and has helped other players give their best. Even so, we're conceding an acceptable goal-a-game (almost inevitable at this level) and now have forwards well capable of scoring two or more in every match. Ideally, it would be best not to concede goals, at least from set pieces... Still, as long as we manage to score more than we concede... things are (obviously) good. But, as you say, consistency is the key... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Sorry, Dublin. He's been our best defender lately - even his error at Watford was due a bit more to the cunning of the Watford forward than was ever given credit. Everyone's been making mistakes but Dion's dominance around the penalty area has been pronounced and a decent Watford team were reduced to looking ordinary. McCarthy is 100 per cent involved and seems to be fouling less now but he's just not dominant enough to be really convincing. Even so, we're conceding an acceptable goal-a-game (almost inevitable at this level) and now have forwards well capable of scoring two or more in every match. Confidence and consistency are the keys now. Dublin has been class recently I agree with you there, he won almost everything on sunday it was a joy to watch him at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gist Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 Dublin has been class recently I agree with you there, he won almost everything on sunday it was a joy to watch him at times. yeh he very rarely doesnt win the ball in the air and he has put in some important challenges around our box that could have been dangerous great work dion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFilbert Posted 25 October 2005 Share Posted 25 October 2005 I agree, Dion has been brilliant! By far our best defender. He's helping McCarthy become a better player. Since they've been playing together, McCarthy hasn't been as mad as before and he's playing better. Dion is a massive influence on McCarthy. Dion needs to stay in the team. He needs to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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