Climate Change - a poll

[leicsmac]

56 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

The FT and economist have covered it (considered to be 'the readership of the informed') as well as Guardian I think. That's a wide enough spread for anyone to catch it if they're interested.

Western media is designed to influence not inform. You can't read the BBC everyday and expect to hear about news from an adversary.

Fair point, and thus we come back to the problem where critical decisions about the future are (at least sometimes) at the mercy of people who are in no way in possession of anywhere near all the facts. 

[CornwallFox]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-record-for-wind-powered-electricity-in-britain-13472884

 

The National Energy System Operator (Neso) has predicted Britain could hit another milestone in the months ahead by running the grid for a period entirely with zero carbon power, renewables and nuclear.

 

A new wind record has been set for Britain, with enough electricity generated from turbines to power 22 million homes, the system operator has said.

 

The mark of 22,711 megawatts (MW) was set at 7.30pm on 11 November, beating the previous high for wind power generation of 22,253 MW set on 18 December last year.

 

At the time, wind was providing 43.6% of Britain's electricity, enough to keep around three-quarters of British homes powered, the National Energy System Operator (Neso) said.

 

The country had experienced windy conditions, particularly in the north of England and Scotland.

 

Neso said gas at the time was providing 12.5% of generation, while 12.1% came from "embedded wind", which supplies power directly to local distribution networks rather than the high-voltage transmission network.

 

Also, 11.3% came from interconnectors with other countries, 8% from nuclear, 8% from biomass, 1.4% from hydro, and 1.1% from storage. Neso has predicted that Britain could hit another milestone in the months ahead by running the electricity grid for a period entirely with zero carbon power, renewables and nuclear.

 

Kayte O'Neill, chief operating officer at Neso, said the record showed that "our national grid can run safely and securely on large quantities of renewables generated right here in Britain".

 

She went on to say: "I look forward to seeing if we can hit another clean energy milestone in the months ahead: running Britain's electricity grid entirely zero carbon."

 

Neso said wind power is now the largest source of electricity generation for the UK, and the government wants to generate almost all of the UK's electricity from low-carbon sources by 2030.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I've been playing Civilization 5 for a while recently and it occurred to me... They've removed pollution and rising sea levels as a result, from the game. Used to be a big part of the game, managing your initial dirty output until cleaner alternatives came on the scene 

 

Don't know if that is systematic of USA administration denying such and whether it was reintroduced in later games? Civ 7 is just about to come out.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I've been playing Civilization 5 for a while recently and it occurred to me... They've removed pollution and rising sea levels as a result, from the game. Used to be a big part of the game, managing your initial dirty output until cleaner alternatives came on the scene 

 

Don't know if that is systematic of USA administration denying such and whether it was reintroduced in later games? Civ 7 is just about to come out.

They do use a mechanic of it in Civ VI, it's just applied differently, I think. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

31 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

They do use a mechanic of it in Civ VI, it's just applied differently, I think. 

Yeah, did my own research and good to see. When games are educational it's a good thing.

I'm interested to see the Civilisations documentary starting on BBC in Monday.

 

Though they'll probably splice and stitch Caesar's speeches

[The Year Of The Fox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75vn7yel73o

 

The far left being pulled back from their la de dah ideologal world?

 

Great stuff 

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75vn7yel73o

 

The far left being pulled back from their la de dah ideologal world?

 

Great stuff 

Thank goodness for that!

 

Ideologal things never work, on account of it not being a word.

 

I'd love to live in a ideological world though. Don't we all?

 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75vn7yel73o

 

The far left being pulled back from their la de dah ideologal world?

 

Great stuff 

It's really rather unfortunate that the future of our species (and many others) and our civilisation is being somehow viewed as a political football. 

 

I would have thought that mass death and suffering was something everyone wanted to avoid.

 

Edit: It's also unfortunate that future is apparently being held to ransom not only by self-interested scientifically illiterate liars (or more scientifically literate sociopaths who don't care about the damage they cause), but also a minority of our species, if the poll here and other polling data is to be believed.

Edited 22 November 2025 by leicsmac

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's really rather unfortunate that the future of our species (and many others) and our civilisation is being somehow viewed as a political football. 

 

I would have thought that mass death and suffering was something everyone wanted to avoid.

 

Edit: It's also unfortunate that future is apparently being held to ransom not only by self-interested scientifically illiterate liars (or more scientifically literate sociopaths who don't care about the damage they cause), but also a minority of our species, if the poll here and other polling data is to be believed.

Fake news.

 

 

 

(Obvs not)

Edited 23 November 2025 by Trav Le Bleu

[CornwallFox]

11 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75vn7yel73o

 

The far left being pulled back from their la de dah ideologal world?

 

Great stuff 

I'm going to assume that you're rage baiting rather than really being this silly.

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

I'm going to assume that you're rage baiting rather than really being this silly.

No.

 

He can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but TYOTF is a genuine believer, who honestly and truly doesn't care about the world beyond his own line of sight either spatially or temporally as long as he himself is doing alright, and he makes no apology for that. 

 

As I've said before, at least he's unabashed about his own self interest rather than dressing it up. 

[CornwallFox]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

No.

 

He can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but TYOTF is a genuine believer, who honestly and truly doesn't care about the world beyond his own line of sight either spatially or temporally as long as he himself is doing alright, and he makes no apology for that. 

 

As I've said before, at least he's unabashed about his own self interest rather than dressing it up. 

His post suggests he doesn't believe in the science, rather than believing and ignoring. Nobody who follows the science would ignore it. 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Just now, CornwallFox said:

His post suggests he doesn't believe in the science, rather than believing and ignoring. Nobody who follows the science would ignore it. 

 

Yeah they would and I believe @leicsmac mentioned what kind of person.

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

His post suggests he doesn't believe in the science, rather than believing and ignoring. Nobody who follows the science would ignore it. 

 

Unfortunately...

 

 

7 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yeah they would and I believe @leicsmac mentioned what kind of person.

This. 

 

Edit: for clarity, by "genuine believer" I meant someone who believes their own words, rather than just saying something for ragebait.

Edited 23 November 2025 by leicsmac

[leicsmac]

One other takeaway from this COP is China quietly making sustainable deals in the background. 

 

If anyone is going to guarantee the future, it appears to be them, and if with it they win the prize of global primacy (as may happen), then they will have earned it. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

One other takeaway from this COP is China quietly making sustainable deals in the background. 

 

If anyone is going to guarantee the future, it appears to be them, and if with it they win the prize of global primacy (as may happen), then they will have earned it. 

You should change your username to Leicswang.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You should change your username to Leicswang.

Ha! 

 

Well, there are plenty of legit criticisms to level at the Chinese government. The way they are handing this particular matter, both home and abroad, isn't one of them. 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

One other takeaway from this COP is China quietly making sustainable deals in the background. 

 

If anyone is going to guarantee the future, it appears to be them, and if with it they win the prize of global primacy (as may happen), then they will have earned it. 

They're throwing up clean energy systems faster than the rest of the world combined. More wind and solar capacity than the entire rest of the planet each year. 

Plus they're pushing it out to other countries. 

They're leading the world and trump's refusal to move the US forward is going to lose the US's supremacy.

Edited 24 November 2025 by CornwallFox

[Trav Le Bleu]

15 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

They're throwing up clean energy systems faster than the rest of the world combined. More wind and solar capacity than the entire rest of the planet each year. 

Plus they're pushing it out to other countries. 

They're leading the world and trump's refusal to move the US forward is going to lose the US's supremacy.

I don't even think they're doing it out of concern for the global ecology either. Primarily I think they recognise that fossil fuel reliance is a dead end that will lead to shortages and wars and a secondary concern for the welfare of their people.

[leicsmac]

30 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I don't even think they're doing it out of concern for the global ecology either. Primarily I think they recognise that fossil fuel reliance is a dead end that will lead to shortages and wars and a secondary concern for the welfare of their people.

Yeah, their reasons are almost entirely cynical as described here, but on this one it's very much the results rather than the intent that matter. 

[grobyfox1990]

UK energy costs as a proportion of GDP are set to decline from 10% of GDP today to 5-6% of GDP by 2050 if the transition to a low-carbon system is well-managed.

 

Net zero is the biggest profit making opportunity of our generation, we need to move the happy clappers who hate growth, profitability and progress and don’t understand what climate change is out of the way so the $$$$ start appearing

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

UK energy costs as a proportion of GDP are set to decline from 10% of GDP today to 5-6% of GDP by 2050 if the transition to a low-carbon system is well-managed.

 

Net zero is the biggest profit making opportunity of our generation, we need to move the happy clappers who hate growth, profitability and progress and don’t understand what climate change is out of the way so the $$$$ start appearing

Make bank, guarantee the future of civilisation. 

 

What's not to like? 

[grobyfox1990]

25 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Make bank, guarantee the future of civilisation. 

 

What's not to like? 

Yes saving millions of lives as well, I am led to believe that is a good thing to do.

Unfortunately we have created a material cohort of the population who are happy clappers and hate good business, opportunity, commerciality and sound long-term investments. 

[grobyfox1990]

https://www.esgtoday.com/95-of-business-leaders-view-climate-transition-as-source-of-growth-and-opportunity-hsbc-survey/

 

Expected results from a group of people who know how to make money.

[leicsmac]

https://phys.org/news/2025-12-uk-sunniest-year.html

 

The lengthy periods of clear skies contributed towards Britain experiencing its hottest summer on record this year.

The Met Office said in September that the mean temperature in the summer months was 16.10C, surpassing the previous record of 15.76C set in 2018.

Scientists have warned persistently that human-driven climate change is resulting in more frequent and intense weather events worldwide.

 

"Whether we and our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do."